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Old 11-12-2012, 09:47 PM
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Old question Death Wobble

Have been reading thread on death wobble. Is this only on newer Jeeps or is it an ongoing problem. Has Jeep come up with any factory remedies? Mine is my wifes daily driver and don't want her to have to deal with this issue. Jeep should have come up with a solution by now.

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Have been reading thread on death wobble. Is this only on newer Jeeps or is it an ongoing problem. Has Jeep come up with any factory remedies? Mine is my wifes daily driver and don't want her to have to deal with this issue. Jeep should have come up with a solution by now.
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The reason Death Wobble hasn't been fixed by Chrysler yet is because of Kjeeper10. It's a known problem.

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It is a rare problem and mainly affects modified vehicles. It is not a "Jeep problem". I't's a issue with any solid axle vehicle. Keep your vehicle ptoperly maintained and you won't have any issues.
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I remember a F-350 I had about 20+ years ago that had a serious case of DW. Back in those days we really didn't know too much about it and the only fix that I knew of was steering stabilizers. Here is a picture of the front end....you can see 4 of the 7 steering stabilizers that were on it! I can't believe I drive it with those pink headlight covers!
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7 stabilizers! That is an AWESOME solution! I had DW, now masked with only 1 stabilizer (!), and I can live with it. I checked land cruiser and range rover forums and they had plenty of DW posts, too, so it truly is endemic to a solid front axle.
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Have been reading thread on death wobble. Is this only on newer Jeeps or is it an ongoing problem. Has Jeep come up with any factory remedies? Mine is my wifes daily driver and don't want her to have to deal with this issue. Jeep should have come up with a solution by now.
Have you really been reading the thread?

My recollection is that it's pretty clear in that thread that DW is a rare but possible consequence of having a solid front axle along with "loosey-goosey" suspension components, mainly the trackbar.

So it's rare, but possible, in any solid front axle vehicle. The only "factory remedy" possible I'm aware of would be going to an independent front suspension rather than a solid front axle, which (absent using a very expensive IFS set up) would very much compromise the offroad abilities of the Wrangler. So that's a non-starter.

With all that in mind--no, there is no factory remedy and there won't be unless Jeep substantially redesigns the wrangler as less of an "offroad" vehicle. Yes, it's possible on all wranglers that came before and is possible on all solid front axle vehicles. Yes, it's possible on your wife's jeep, though it's very, very rare. Keep your suspension components properly torqued, and you should almost certainly never encounter it.
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2011 JKU Sport, stock suspension, 13K miles. Had the DW about a month ago. Took it in to the dealer and they want to balance wheels, do alignment, and replace steering stabilizer. I told them to retorque everything as per the sticky thread on this forum. They ended up doing balance, (said my tires were starting to cup, I call BS) replacing stabilizer, and retorqueing(sp?). Told the service writer it was on his dime to do alignment. He didn't. So far no more issues. It is not a daily driver, pretty much weekends or a trip to town after work, so time will tell.
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Have you really been reading the thread?

My recollection is that it's pretty clear in that thread that DW is a rare but possible consequence of having a solid front axle along with "loosey-goosey" suspension components, mainly the trackbar.

So it's rare, but possible, in any solid front axle vehicle. The only "factory remedy" possible I'm aware of would be going to an independent front suspension rather than a solid front axle, which (absent using a very expensive IFS set up) would very much compromise the offroad abilities of the Wrangler. So that's a non-starter.

With all that in mind--no, there is no factory remedy and there won't be unless Jeep substantially redesigns the wrangler as less of an "offroad" vehicle. Yes, it's possible on all wranglers that came before and is possible on all solid front axle vehicles. Yes, it's possible on your wife's jeep, though it's very, very rare. Keep your suspension components properly torqued, and you should almost certainly never encounter it.
Very very rare has occured. All componets are properly torqued. Had it happen the other night. Glad I wasn't going 70 mph might have been a bad situation.
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Very very rare has occured. All componets are properly torqued. Had it happen the other night. Glad I wasn't going 70 mph might have been a bad situation.
Whoa. If you've really got DW (not a given . . . do you have to come to a complete stop to get the vibrations to quit?), then either get under it yourself with Planman's sticky thread checklist or get it to a qualified mechanic with the checklist, and find the source. My understanding is that it is very much likely related to trackbar.
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I remember a F-350 I had about 20+ years ago that had a serious case of DW. Back in those days we really didn't know too much about it and the only fix that I knew of was steering stabilizers. Here is a picture of the front end....you can see 4 of the 7 steering stabilizers that were on it! I can't believe I drive it with those pink headlight covers!
Fantastic rofl . That's pre ram assist.

How about rear axle SS's? Lol
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Just read a thread, maybe it is the trackbar. Will check it out first. Only has 35,000 on it. Hoping I would never see it myself. Had to come to almost a complete stop to stop it. Don't think the wife could handle it.
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This is the funniest thing I have ever seen.
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This is the funniest thing I have ever seen.
You say funny, I just say DAMN!
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Believe it or not, when I did that, it was actually a kit that was designed just for that purpose. Those 4 stabilizers and the mount is not something I fabricated. It was not uncommon to have a set up like that on the front of a lifted truck back in the 80s. The 80s were awesome!
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Most people have found my 2 videos helpful in understanding a jeep front end and in diagnosing sources of DW.

Those guys who posted above about balancing tires, an alignment, and a new steering stabilizer, you didn't fix the source(s) of DW.

Metaphorically, you put a band-aid on an infection.

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I had the "wobble" and the only thing I did was to increase the caster to +5 with longer LCA`s. No more "wobble". (rusty`s off road)
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I had the "wobble" and the only thing I did was to increase the caster to +5 with longer LCA`s. No more "wobble". (rusty`s off road)
That is very different than DW.

DW is so violent that it feels like your entire front end is being ripped apart, that your wheels are about to fall off, usually comes with metal clanking sounds, and requires coming to almost a complete stop to cease the oscillations.
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That is very different than DW.

DW is so violent that it feels like your entire front end is being ripped apart, that your wheels are about to fall off, usually comes with metal clanking sounds, and requires coming to almost a complete stop to cease the oscillations.
^^^^. I've had true dw once out of the 5 jeeps I've owned. It was my own stupidity though and once I washed the ridiculous amount of mud out that I'd packed in my wheels it was young. Hey everyone is young and dumb at some point.

Well twice really but since the 2nd time a defective part caused my track bar to essentially snap off and wrap around my axle I was more concerned about the wreck that happened moments later. A defective mounting bolt for the track bar essentially exploded going around a roundabout in the UK somewhere between 50-60 mph.

Luckily no vehicle was entered in front of me and I was able to land her in a farmers field with little additional damage. But believe me, if you've got true dw, there's absolutely no doubt in your mind. The steering wheel will nearly jerk out of your hands before you come to a stop.

Skyjacker paid to repair mine the 2nd time after I sent them photos of the defective cast on the bolt that broke. It looked like Swiss cheese inside. Until it broke though I had no warning signs. The first time though, totally my fault.
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I should add my experiences were around 12 years ago. I learned the hard way to keep an eye on those things.

Ivy was making some tell tale noises a few weeks ago. Taking a few moments to correct the problem (spare parts in the shed saved me a trip) it went away b4 it was anything more than some noises and a small vibe. Again it was my fault bc I forgot to go back and retorque some things after I'd been working on her a couple weeks prior.

I've never had an issue on a stock one, but that's not saying much bc mine have never stayed stock very long.
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That is very different than DW.

DW is so violent that it feels like your entire front end is being ripped apart, that your wheels are about to fall off, usually comes with metal clanking sounds, and requires coming to almost a complete stop to cease the oscillations.
I am speaking of "DW"
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It's baaack. Around a thousand miles and another DW incident. Headed back to the dealer again today.
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It's baaack. Around a thousand miles and another DW incident. Headed back to the dealer again today.
You knew that when all the dealer did was replace the steering stabilizer that the new one would also eventually fail, right?

I explain this in detail in my DW thread.
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The reason Death Wobble hasn't been fixed by Chrysler yet is because of Kjeeper10. It's a known problem.
I figured as much...
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And you'll never believe what they said the problem was? A soft spot in the previously replaced steering stabilizer! Replaced with a new one. I have a ticket open with Customer Care now. I've tried explaining to the service writer that they are just masking the problem. Don't think he really cared what I had to say. So, I'm kinda fired up now. Next incident, which I'm sure will happen soon, and we'll be claiming Lemon Law.

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