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Old 11-29-2019, 08:20 PM
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Opinion on frame

Looking at a 2013 to replace a 2000 TJ. The 2013 is a 6 speed, 3.21 gears, lsd in rear. $14000
Dealer sent pictures of the frame. Can you see any damage. Anything bent broken or missing. Remember this is a NYS salt belt Jeep so don't be too hard on it. I would be power brushing it and taking it to Krown to try to preserve it if I buy it.
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Old 11-29-2019, 09:05 PM   #2
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I think it looks like it would be pretty easy to clean up and paint over.

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Old 11-29-2019, 10:41 PM   #3
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Looking at a 2013 to replace a 2000 TJ. The 2013 is a 6 speed, 3.21 gears, lsd in rear. $14000
Dealer sent pictures of the frame. Can you see any damage. Anything bent broken or missing. Remember this is a NYS salt belt Jeep so don't be too hard on it. I would be power brushing it and taking it to Krown to try to preserve it if I buy it.
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Where in NY are you? Take it to Eric O @Sma to look over.

Frame looks real decent, keep us posted.
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:28 AM   #4
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The frame looks fine to me. I would just power wash and Fluid Film each year before winter hits.
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Old 11-30-2019, 04:40 PM   #5
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+1 on fluid film.
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Old 11-30-2019, 10:31 PM
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Whatever I get I will pay for Krown rust protection for a least the first round. They seem to find all the nooks and crannies and their product definitely penetrates really well where the steel is lapped. After that I will just worry about oiling the underside.

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Put a $200 deposit on it, Sales guy wrote fully refundable if I decide I don't want it on the price sheet.

The TPMS is not working. The radio works on serius, but is silent on FM/AM. There was a small crack in the windshield. Makes me nervous they did not thoroughly check and fix obvious problems before offering for sale.

When they say everything is fixed, I will check it out again, if everything is as it should be, I will buy it with a 30 power train/electronics warranty. If any thing is weird, I'll walk with my deposit.

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Old 12-08-2019, 01:10 PM   #8
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Frame looks good to me.

The TPMS not working is probably because the previous owner didn't bother replace the sensors when they did the tires. The tires look like car tires, so I'd consider getting rid of them.

I would replace the radio with an aftermarket unit anyway.
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I assume the radio ties in with the canbus, and when I look around at the after market they seem to be $1k+ for radios that claim to be plug and play.
I only listen to radio when my wife wants a "quick" stop for a few groceries. So the radio needs to work, once again assuming the pcm uses it for buzzers and bells, and I would want to retain the steering wheel controls for those times I want to scan for talk or music I am willing to listen to. But for 98% of the time I prefer to be hearing the engine and drive train.
They messaged me that the windshield is in and optimistically believe the mechanical/electrical will be done on Monday.
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Looking at a 2013 to replace a 2000 TJ. The 2013 is a 6 speed, 3.21 gears, lsd in rear. $14000
Dealer sent pictures of the frame. Can you see any damage. Anything bent broken or missing. Remember this is a NYS salt belt Jeep so don't be too hard on it. I would be power brushing it and taking it to Krown to try to preserve it if I buy it.
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The factory LSD is Trac-Lok. I have the same in my 2018 and I like it. But you have to be careful, in the winter, when you turn on a slippery street corner.

Inside the Track-Lok there are clutches that wear down over time; it is a serviceable item. The parts are about $150, plus shop time. You should check if the clutches are still good; and plan to get them replaced if required.

Rust on the frame; when I drove home with my 2018 JKU Sahara, that had been built about one month before, there was rust that was already visible at a few places. The paint is thin on the frame. Rust proofing oil will be your friend.

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Frame looks fine to me and should clean up nicely with a little work. I recently purchased a 2016 JKU with a 6 speed which also has 3.21 gears. To be honest I totally HATE the gearing and it will get changed out for 4.56 this spring. Not an inexpensive project but the 3.21's really blow especially since I live where it's hilly.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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The LSD has long worn out. These last about 30k miles. If you're going to offroad, think about what you want to do for a rear locker and maybe gears.
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I'll test out the LSD and make a decision between true-lok or new clutches or ignore it.
It wasn't a priority, just hope it works. I have a 2005 dodge truck with 200K that the original LSD still works great.
I don't really "offroad" as in testing to see what it can handle. My old TJ 2.5L never had a problem other than slowly sliding over the ice into a ditch.
Mostly a convertible to cruise the back roads and handle the mud and snow up on the hills. I will never lift or oversize. The only mod that caught my attention is the switch to disable the nanny features.

Anyway. The dealer has the TPMS working but had to order the Radio. So now it is next week for another test drive and hopefully get to drive it home and then through the seasonal access only roads for a real test. Lots of mud and slush up there now.

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Follow up is I did purchase the jeep. On the road it is more like our dodge caravan that my TJ.

The 3.21 gears are fine for street and highway. But I was surprised how fast it moves when idling in 4lo in low gear. It felt a lot faster that the TJ. It will probably be adequate for slow descents and climbs but wouldn't be very good for slow navigation over an obstacle. If I was still young and foolish 3.73 or higher would be necessary.

The limited slip appears to be working. I haven't plowed the drive since the last snow fall, and had no problem just driving up. And I did hear/feel a rear tire catch when turning on pavement. It will have to be a lot warmer outside to verify 100% that the clutches still work and that the nanny features aren't fooling me.



Thank you for your input

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The frame looks fine to me for a Jeep that old. I purchased Eastwood interior frame spray and did the inside of my frame rails. For the outside I have already begun to wire brush and sand areas that are showing rust and hitting them with Rustoleum Rust Reformer.

I have a flexible shaft that fits in my drill with a chuck on the end. I install a small wire brush into the shaft and it allows me access to all of the nooks and crannies.

Winter has hit so I will begin again next spring.
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