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Old 08-17-2019, 06:15 PM
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people really irritate me...time for the insurance fun....

Yea the Sarge got hit again, thankfully minimal damage to the bumper (planing on replacing it anyways, but got to wait on the adjuster and let them do there stuff, thankfully I got the recorded footage and all, other party was found to be at fault.


BUT WAIT there is more.....

I wasn't pissed off at the fact the Jeep getting hit, but more at the fact that the other party demanded I pay for the repairs to the vehicle they were driving...yea not how this rodeo works....REEEEEEE

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Demanded you pay for his damage? Did you tell him you would mail him a check? LOL

When you say, "other party found to be at fault" and you have recorded footage, who exactly found the other party at fault, law enforcement? Where did this "recorded footage" come from?

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Did you get rear ended? If so its 99% fault of the person who hit you. The stones on that guy. Or gal
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Also, this reminds me to turn on my front/rear cameras when I drive. I get lazy and dont always plug into charging port unless Im in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the freeway. Better to be safe than sorry and just keep it plugged in at all times to get video evidence
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Did you get rear ended? If so its 99% fault of the person who hit you. The stones on that guy. Or gal
no, they attempted to jump the queue of cars (passing illegally on the right) and while merging in caught the bumper)

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Demanded you pay for his damage? Did you tell him you would mail him a check? LOL

When you say, "other party found to be at fault" and you have recorded footage, who exactly found the other party at fault, law enforcement? Where did this "recorded footage" come from?
Was very tempted to just tell them that, but I figured less interaction the better, plus it was a New York Jamaican family (I think??) so yea....communication issues......I did however say, "Sure, I will gladly fix your car, I charge $150 for labour if you provide all parts, if not I charge accordingly labour plus parts and any required fees/disposal/taxes that the government requires that I collect" yea that didn't go over too well

Officer immediately found other party at fault, thankfully I had at least two other people stop (she passed no less then three total cars on the right) who were passed by her to bare witness to what she did, I offered to show the video footage to the LEO however he declined because the other witness testimony was enough and this also happened in front of a Fire house who happened to call it in.


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Also, this reminds me to turn on my front/rear cameras when I drive. I get lazy and dont always plug into charging port unless Im in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the freeway. Better to be safe than sorry and just keep it plugged in at all times to get video evidence
I agree, i am glad that I keep one in my Jeep and truck plugged into the USB port, may move the power connection to the over head switch panel, haven't decided as either way achieves the same result.


hope that clears it up a tad, I just hate that the Jeep is touchy when i'm in gears 1 and 2, but hey im fine and the jeep is fine so.......

oh and I forgot to mention the entire family while dealing with the officer kept trying to say "your lying" but again I just calmly kept saying, i am just giving the facts of what you did, its not my responsibility to fix your car thats on the repair company.....
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Interesting. Glad you are OK.

Did not know these new Jeeps come with forward and rear dashcams. That would be a handy feature.
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Interesting. Glad you are OK.

Did not know these new Jeeps come with forward and rear dashcams. That would be a handy feature.
I actually installed mine, technically they don't but I refuse to own ANY vehicle and have no cameras installed, sadly the camera has paid for its self over many times......This camera was not used soly in the jeep mind you...its seen its fair amount of time in the truck, along with my Mustang I had. Thanks for the Jeep love
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Interesting. Glad you are OK.

Did not know these new Jeeps come with forward and rear dashcams. That would be a handy feature.
I got mine on Amazon for $60. Its a rearview mirror you put over your stock. It has HD cam pointing and recording in front. Then you run camera and wires along Jeeps frame to the back and that gives you a rear camera recording.
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I actually installed mine, technically they don't but I refuse to own ANY vehicle and have no cameras installed, sadly the camera has paid for its self over many times......This camera was not used soly in the jeep mind you...its seen its fair amount of time in the truck, along with my Mustang I had. Thanks for the Jeep love
Ahh gotcha. We go to NYC nearly every year usually for Xmas so I can see why you would want a fulltime cam there. Crazy ass death defying shit all the time.

Last year our Uber driver side swiped and wrecked into another Uber on the freeway at low speed and each just rolled down their windows and screamed at each other in some odd language but kept driving. Mirror on our Uber gone and door on other Uber crushed in. We were terrified, my kids still talk about that. Don't even get me started on our Subway experiences there which are even more scary.
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Ahh gotcha. We go to NYC nearly every year usually for Xmas so I can see why you would want a fulltime cam there. Crazy ass death defying shit all the time.

Last year our Uber driver side swiped and wrecked into another Uber on the freeway at low speed and each just rolled down their windows and screamed at each other in some odd language but kept driving. Mirror on our Uber gone and door on other Uber crushed in. We were terrified, my kids still talk about that.
well that is NYC/Connecticut for ya, and she was from the new york area, so that explained most of the behaviors, and I know for the most part the Jamaicans tend to be the "my way or the highway" type and very demanding...
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Good thing you had a camera. Actually I'm surprised why manufacturers do not offer these as standard. Cost - I know - still, these should be standard on any vehicle by now and e.g. built in the rear view mirror and also the backup camera should be part of the system.
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I agree 1000 percent. It's easy to lobby for additional safety features but cameras as a mandatory feature would be a tough sell, obviously.
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I bought my girlfriend a $60 or so dashcam. Within the first year, it saved us $1400 plus hours of time.

Grocery cart collector dude at a grocery store pushed a cart into her then denied it. Their lawyer asked if there were witnesses and was starting to go into denial mode. When we sent a screenshot, she immediately told us to get a repair estimate and they'd pay it.

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to some its a "privacy" issue but when I drive on the public roads I always assume I am able to be recorded, and that any assumption of privacy is no longer valid if im on the open public road....
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to some its a "privacy" issue...
Actually it makes perfect sense. Perhaps that is why it is not offered per manufacturer, with them not want anything that can possibly taint their image. Also, I just remembered that e.g. in Germany it is illegal to use these type of cameras. Anything that is recording out of the vehicle is not allowed. But I also heard that these laws are about to change over there, maybe they have even changed it already by now.
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Actually it makes perfect sense. Perhaps that is why it is not offered per manufacturer, with them not want anything that can possibly taint their image. Also, I just remembered that e.g. in Germany it is illegal to use these type of cameras. Anything that is recording out of the vehicle is not allowed. But I also heard that these laws are about to change over there, maybe they have even changed it already by now.
as far as I know its allowed with in limited reasonable allowances, IE you have to blur faces/number plates, I could be wrong but that is my take on what I can gather...
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Actually it makes perfect sense. Perhaps that is why it is not offered per manufacturer, with them not want anything that can possibly taint their image. Also, I just remembered that e.g. in Germany it is illegal to use these type of cameras. Anything that is recording out of the vehicle is not allowed. But I also heard that these laws are about to change over there, maybe they have even changed it already by now.
IMHO, the reason they do not put dash cams in vehicles is the potential for civil or criminal court time. There MIGHT be a circumstance they get called into court because they provided the camera. The RV camera is being mandated by federal law, just like the 3rd brake light was and is.

I am surprised that Germany won't allow them when I have heard that in Russia, you can't even get auto insurance unless you have one. "Just rumors though."
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I use dash cams for a decade now, it helped in numerous situations, including non driving related.
It doesn't record anything private, most of the countries/states including Germany shall allow it, if not already.
Here in California I think if recording audio then have to warn passengers, read them some sort of "miranda warning"
I had different models and in 10years dash cams improved significantly, however license plates are still unreadable under certain conditions. This is where audio comes into play, you can record a memo over video, read license #, street, sometimes the camera will catch threats or fault admission of the other driver.
I came to the conclusion that rear view cameras are also necessary. Since modern vehicles have multiple cameras already installed what they need is just add HDD and Wifi for download. For legal purposes manufacturer can make a waiver, or put a sticker on the window.
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I have these on both my truck and the Jeep, they take care of any one party and two party consent issues, and I have had one person try to fight the camera in court saying I was illegally recording them and all I had to do was show the placement of the sticker and that pretty much threw the case out.....That was involving my truck....



(Yes I do have the signs in both English and Spanish..... saves the headache....
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well dang, looks like if i get a Model 3 I have to put the stickers on the out side then.....
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...I am surprised that Germany won't allow them...
Having thoroughly scritinized it's past and open mindedly learning from it, Germany has enacted very strong privacy laws for protection of it's people.

E.g. to my best knowledge, in Germany even in-store security cameras have to be mounted in ways that they don't record people who are outside the store. They aren't even to record people who are window shopping. A public camera system like in London or some Chinese cities is not permitted.

However, my knowledge about this may not be up to date. The laws may have changed since.
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I'm not sure such warning signs on any PRIVATE car will hold up in court. Especially the consent by entry part. Indeed to me they look more like a bullseye, asking to be a subject of litigation. I'd rather don't draw any attention.

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Having thoroughly scritinized it's past and open mindedly learning from it, Germany has enacted very strong privacy laws for protection of it's people.

E.g. to my best knowledge, in Germany even in-store security cameras have to be mounted in ways that they don't record people who are outside the store. They aren't even to record people who are window shopping. A public camera system like in London or some Chinese cities is not permitted.

However, my knowledge about this may not be up to date. The laws may have changed since.
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I'm not sure such warning signs on any PRIVATE car will hold up in court. Especially the consent by entry part. Indeed to me they look more like a bullseye, asking to be a subject of litigation. I'd rather don't draw any attention.

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With the amount of crime in this country and the lack of willingness of "witnesses" to speak with the investigating cops, I for one, am glad that we in America, have 10 BILLION security cameras to be silent witnesses. AND that is why I have a F/R 4K dash cam's on both of my Jeep's. Staged collisions, road rage incidents, "SASQUATCHES" walking out in front of you as you drive down a fire road. I don't want to miss ANY of the action involved with driving.
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I don't disagree with you. What you say has merit.

Yet, if you read the article of post#20 of this thread, it shows some quite scary outlook.
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After a friend was involved in a "he said - she said" accident late one evening at an intersection, I put in my first dashcam. I found it interesting to review items I had seen while driving but did not have time to rubber neck.

My first one (now in the TJ) was a Garmin 35. I then purchased a cheaper second one off Amazon which crapped out in less than six months. Their customer service (by e-mail) sucked by suggesting I reboot the camera when I already told them it wouldn't boot.

I then purchased a second Garmin (model 55 this time) for the Chief. That thing is tiny and the mount is much better. A flat octagonal piece of metal is affixed to the WS and the mount attaches by a magnet. The 55 has audio recording (turned off so I can freely express myself). It also has lane departure and beeps when stopped in traffic and the vehicle in front starts to move as well as if you get too close to the vehicle in front (the 35 also has this).

I have had very good luck with my Garmins, my 10 year old GPS is still working and I still have free quarterly map updates. (Much more reasonable than the update for my JKU).

Garmin has updated the 55 to the 56 with Bluetooth access to the video.
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After a friend was involved in a "he said - she said" accident late one evening at an intersection, I put in my first dashcam. I found it interesting to review items I had seen while driving but did not have time to rubber neck.

My first one (now in the TJ) was a Garmin 35. I then purchased a cheaper second one off Amazon which crapped out in less than six months. Their customer service (by e-mail) sucked by suggesting I reboot the camera when I already told them it wouldn't boot.

I then purchased a second Garmin (model 55 this time) for the Chief. That thing is tiny and the mount is much better. A flat octagonal piece of metal is affixed to the WS and the mount attaches by a magnet. The 55 has audio recording (turned off so I can freely express myself). It also has lane departure and beeps when stopped in traffic and the vehicle in front starts to move as well as if you get too close to the vehicle in front (the 35 also has this).

I have had very good luck with my Garmins, my 10 year old GPS is still working and I still have free quarterly map updates. (Much more reasonable than the update for my JKU).

Garmin has updated the 55 to the 56 with Bluetooth access to the video.
The 56 looks like a nice set up.
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I don't disagree with you. What you say has merit.

Yet, if you read the article of post#20 of this thread, it shows some quite scary outlook.
What I read in that article is not so much as that system is RECORDING everything in sight like mine does, it has 2 other software programs that is looking for, analyzing, comparing/keeping and notifying the car owner of plates and/or faces that are recognized. The normal dash cam does not analyze anything. OR maybe I am reading into it or NOT seeing something that you saw. Basic dash cam's just record, unless there is an impact that marks the file for keeping. There is no software for recognizing or comparing anything. There is no question that dash cams are going to evolve and get better and problems might pop up later, but now, I don't move without them.
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I don't disagree with you. What you say has merit.

Yet, if you read the article of post#20 of this thread, it shows some quite scary outlook.

Cameras are and will be a very important part of the autonomous vehicle. So will be Lidar which can capture and map 3D images, as well as Radar and vehicle to vehicle and vehicle to cloud networking.


I'm sure there will be some privacy issues/concerns raised along the way but when it's being sold as a benefit for the greater good to save lives and there's billions of dollars of investment behind it, those privacy concerns will be snuffed out pretty quickly. Welcome to the new world order.
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After a friend was involved in a "he said - she said" accident late one evening at an intersection, I put in my first dashcam. I found it interesting to review items I had seen while driving but did not have time to rubber neck.

My first one (now in the TJ) was a Garmin 35. I then purchased a cheaper second one off Amazon which crapped out in less than six months. Their customer service (by e-mail) sucked by suggesting I reboot the camera when I already told them it wouldn't boot.

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I have had very good luck with my Garmins, my 10 year old GPS is still working and I still have free quarterly map updates. (Much more reasonable than the update for my JKU).

Garmin has updated the 55 to the 56 with Bluetooth access to the video.
That says ALOT!! I will consider one of these "WHEN" my current cameras die, which they will. Was that 'CHEAPER ONE' that crapped out also a Garmin? I hope not. I had an occasion to call Garmin customer support and found them to be 100% accommodating and helpful. Great Customer Support the one time I used them.
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As for the signs "not holding up in a private vehicle in the court of law" its for the person who goes "I didn't know I was being recorded, you can't use what I said in the case even though it incriminates me, blah blah blah" type situations more as a CMA policy (very rare but still stupid people...) anyways on to somewhat better? news now....


the insurance adjuster came by to write an estimate and collect the video footage, and reviewed the footage and agreed that it is clear cut and dry, and no contest for the other party, they caused the incident....so I am hoping for a quick resolution, I went ahead and asked that they factor in the possibility of an alignment being needed (due to the way the other car cut across my path and potentially causing alignment issues)
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