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Old 09-06-2017, 04:18 PM   #61
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Take the insurance check and bank it. Just have the window replaced.
Then leave the hole in the dash with the wires hanging out. Have a new sound system installed in the little trunk in the rear cargo area. I have a YJ and am really unfamiliar with JK, but I seem to remember that there's a small compartment under the rear floor. Many stereos have a remote. It should easily fit in your pocket. Use that to control the new radio.

Then when the retards come back, thinking to hit you again, they won't bother when they think you've not replaced the radio.

Use the insurance check to replace the dash when you plan on selling the jeep.

The only reason some people are alive is because it's illegal to kill them....But remember, It's illegal. If you commit a crime, you're no better than they are.
Keep your gun holstered until you're threatened.

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https://www.quadratec.com/products/14127_1040_07.htm

I have one for a single din in my tj. It ties into the framework of the dash so I know they're not just going to rip it out.

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That looks like a perfect solution, but it looks like they don't make one for my 2017 JKU

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People should be able to protect their property anyway they see fit
I'd rather not get blown up for tapping someone's car, or fall in a spike pit for walking across someone's lawn.

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Take the insurance check and bank it. Just have the window replaced.
Then leave the hole in the dash with the wires hanging out. Have a new sound system installed in the little trunk in the rear cargo area. I have a YJ and am really unfamiliar with JK, but I seem to remember that there's a small compartment under the rear floor. Many stereos have a remote. It should easily fit in your pocket. Use that to control the new radio.

Then when the retards come back, thinking to hit you again, they won't bother when they think you've not replaced the radio.

Use the insurance check to replace the dash when you plan on selling the jeep.

The only reason some people are alive is because it's illegal to kill them....But remember, It's illegal. If you commit a crime, you're no better than they are.
Keep your gun holstered until you're threatened.

Good Luck, L.M.
Worst case I'll probably just get the factory 130 head unit get put back in, I doubt they'll want to steal that one.

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Old 09-06-2017, 05:14 PM   #63
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I know crime is everywhere and like others mentioned you can't make it impossible for it to happen but if it's that bad or that concerned where it consumes you I just wouldn't live in place like that

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You could also get a trunk monkey, lol

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I know crime is everywhere and like others mentioned you can't make it impossible for it to happen but if it's that bad or that concerned where it consumes you I just wouldn't live in place like that

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Yep. You work hard to put your family in a better neighborhood only to find out that punks target the good neighborhoods because thats where the good stuff is.

There's alot of ID theft in my area. My mailbox has been robbed twice in the past 6 months. I actually saw the car drive away after they looted my neighbor's mailbox.
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Yeah I don't think you can totally get away from it but I do think you can eliminate it by 90% it's just most people aren't willing to give up the Creature Comforts of the Concrete Jungle

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Indeed. Hopefully never comes to that. Taking a life (any life) isn't easy ......

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Second, You asked How to prevent a repeat - you can't.
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Just wanted to be clear - under current law No One is allowed to set a trap OR use deadly force to protect property. I know BB's or paint balls aren't typically "DF" but they arent a point blank Non-risk either.
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You can add something called "pain generators" to an alarm like this, that basically makes your vehicle's interior an unbearable place to be for someone who has broken in and intends to spend some time rummaging or removing accessories purchased with your hard-earned dollars:
https://www.ebay.com/p/Directed-DEI-...tor/1430030167

^^ two or three of those mounted throughout the vehicle interior will have a thief that dares stay inside for any length of time to violate the vehicle and remove things suffer some serious hearing damage.
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He can't sue if he gets blown up.
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I'd rather not get blown up for tapping someone's car, or fall in a spike pit for walking across someone's lawn.
Looks like I finally got multi-quote to work! Hooray me!
@RubiconSS - While the law is abundantly clear on booby traps like "door opens, triggering shotgun aimed at door", they are much less clear to the point of being unenforceable when it comes to much subtler things, like @basicxj 's peizo pain generators. Where laws in most states are subject to "common law / common sense" interpretation (as here in Virginia), the legality of booby traps comes into effect with the following consideration:

Is there a foreseeable chance that XYZ conditions may cause someone to take an action that would set off the booby trap(s)?

In the case of gaining entry to a home, the answer is yes - for all you know, a shared public hazard such as a gas leak may occur, which would force a firefighter and/or gas company employee to need to make entry into the home.

In the case of stealing a car stereo, the answer is no - there is no foreseeable circumstance which would put anyone other than the owner or a duly informed labor force into the situation of removing the vehicle's stereo.

I am not a lawyer and not giving legal advice. I had this conversation with a lawyer, who opined to me that my actions to secure my vehicle's stereo, while questionable, fall within the confines of the law. I freely talk about 2 of my methods, and leave the third out of discussion on purpose. The two I do talk about are:
1) JB-welded straight razor blades around the proximity of the stereo unit. Proper pecautions in removal of the stereo puts the remover at no risk of harm. This has been an extremely effective deterrent, as there's an added benefit of snugging the radio EXACTLY into place - it becomes fairly hard to move the stereo at all. 3 break-ins in my vehicles in the 15 years or so I've been doing this, and only once has the stereo been budged - and with that one, I did have to remove more than a few drops of blood from the carpet.
2) Striker plate and a proprietary Litho-phosphor solid bar. Failure to properly disarm the mechanism before removing the stereo will leave the unfortunate car thief TEMPORARILY blinded by an extremely intense flash of light, the effect of which is magnified if said thief is already working in the dark (and thus has pupils dilated to compensate)

I do think I'll be adding some peizo pain generators, but 120dB isn't quite the level I'm looking for - I've been to louder heavy metal concerts... Maybe I'll overvolt to achieve 150dB or so, should be around 8x the intended load...

Anywho, back to the conversation at hand. @oldhead - While the scumbag thief couldn't sue if blown up, their scumbag family can and will - welcome to the US "justice" system, where anybody at all can sue anyone at any time for any reason. There are plenty of cases out there of inept thieves and/or their surviving scumbag families suing homeowners for bodily harm done to the scumbag thief in the course of committing felony burglary or robbery. I personally agree with the sentiment that I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but given the legal landscape, I do whatever is in my power to hedge my bet to my own chances. I lately learned something EXTREMELY useful to myself about the law in Virginia when it comes to the use of deadly force in self-defense: It turns out that while VA doesn't have a castle doctrine (allowing DF on owned property), the defense of self and bystanders against pending bodily harm or death is an affirmative defense for the use of potentially/deadly force. The qualifier is that it doesn't allow for the willful harassment of someone to induce them to attack you... The way that home defense courses in VA _used_ to be taught, they drilled it into our skulls - Call 911, retreat to a defensible position, ensure that your announcement of willing and able to defend yourself are heard, and repeat to the rolling tape of 911 recording "I'm in fear of my life, and I don't want to do this.", before opening fire only on a CONFIRMED target that is threatening bodily harm or death.
@awk34 - see above, and sorry that your property was violated. There is no preventing shit scenarios in the future, but I've outlined a few ideas for how to prepare for them. Best of luck to you!

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@basicxj 's peizo pain generators. Where laws in most states are subject to "common law / common sense" interpretation (as here in Virginia), the legality of booby traps comes into effect with the following consideration:

Is there a foreseeable chance that XYZ conditions may cause someone to take an action that would set off the booby trap(s)?

In the case of gaining entry to a home, the answer is yes - for all you know, a shared public hazard such as a gas leak may occur, which would force a firefighter and/or gas company employee to need to make entry into the home.

In the case of stealing a car stereo, the answer is no - there is no foreseeable circumstance which would put anyone other than the owner or a duly informed labor force into the situation of removing the vehicle's stereo.

I am not a lawyer and not giving legal advice. I had this conversation with a lawyer, who opined to me that my actions to secure my vehicle's stereo, while questionable, fall within the confines of the law. I freely talk about 2 of my methods, and leave the third out of discussion on purpose. The two I do talk about are:
1) JB-welded straight razor blades around the proximity of the stereo unit. Proper pecautions in removal of the stereo puts the remover at no risk of harm. This has been an extremely effective deterrent, as there's an added benefit of snugging the radio EXACTLY into place - it becomes fairly hard to move the stereo at all. 3 break-ins in my vehicles in the 15 years or so I've been doing this, and only once has the stereo been budged - and with that one, I did have to remove more than a few drops of blood from the carpet.
2) Striker plate and a proprietary Litho-phosphor solid bar. Failure to properly disarm the mechanism before removing the stereo will leave the unfortunate car thief TEMPORARILY blinded by an extremely intense flash of light, the effect of which is magnified if said thief is already working in the dark (and thus has pupils dilated to compensate)

I do think I'll be adding some peizo pain generators, but 120dB isn't quite the level I'm looking for - I've been to louder heavy metal concerts... Maybe I'll overvolt to achieve 150dB or so, should be around 8x the intended load...


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To clarify, pain generators are not booby traps in a legal sense, but simply interior sirens. They are not triggered by stealing a specific item, but by setting off the alarm's installed sensors (opening a door, violating the interior space, breaking glass etc. depending on the types of sensors installed and triggered).

Piezo sirens have been sold for years legally for use in car alarm applications, with the intention of making the vehicle's interior an inhospitable place to spend time rather than something installed for the sole reason of causing harm to an intruder. For someone to ignore the effects of the piezo sirens and remain inside the vehicle to the point they experience harm to their hearing, well, you can't fix stupid .

120db worth of sirens at normal frequencies is bearable. 120db worth of concentrated, extremely high frequencies is uncomfortable, and the piezo sirens are targeting specific frequencies for that purpose. A couple mounted in inaccessible places under the dash and another in the cargo area for people who like to go in through the soft top would serve the purpose. To give you an idea, the sound system I had installed in my old Jeep could exceed 130db at higher volume settings, which was loud for an SQ system but not uncomfortably so- the bulk of that output was from the sub. The front stage (mids, tweeters) could exceed 120db all by itself if you could stand turning it up that loud, but you couldn't bear to listen at that level for any length of time. The human ear will tolerate more decibels at lower frequencies than it will at higher frequencies.
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120db worth of sirens at normal frequencies is bearable. 120db worth of concentrated, extremely high frequencies is uncomfortable, and the piezo sirens are targeting specific frequencies for that purpose.
I'm reminded of going to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum in DC - they utilize(d?) acoustic proximity sensors at ~31kHz at 70dB or so, and I got migraines being anywhere near the exhibits... So yep I get what you're saying.

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Random question, do the high frequencies and decibels affect deaf people? I'm curious because at those decibels you feel the sound almost as much as hear them.

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Random question, do the high frequencies and decibels affect deaf people? I'm curious because at those decibels you feel the sound almost as much as hear them.

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Nope- sounds lower than 20hz are felt rather than heard, and some frequencies above that point can be felt and heard, but the deaf would be pretty much oblivious to the piezo alarms in their target band of frequencies apart from maybe feeling an itching sensation in their ears.
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