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Old 09-05-2019, 06:29 AM
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Recommended tie rod and drag link.

What are the recommendations for upgraded steering for the JK. My tie rod ends are shot (factory). I am running 35s with 2.5" RockKrawler, sleeved and gusseted. I am running Currie in my TJ, and am happy but have heard that the JK Curreclink isn't the same quality.

I was recommended to the Rare Parts steering set up by a couple friends, but can't find any reviews....

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Steer smarts is pretty nice .....

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Rare Parts make really nice ball joints. They are pricey, but they are rebuildable. I do not know of a drag link or tie rod from them.
For the tie rod and drag link you can go with Steer Smart, or you could go with Synergy or TeraFlex. For a HD tie rod I have heard great things about the Rock Krawler HD Aluminum tie rod. I am sure RK also makes a decent drag link, but I have no feedback on it.
While you can just replace tie rod or drag link ends, I would simply replace the whole linkage with a stronger version.
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We all run the Rare Parts Ball Joints here. Great stuff and like he said 100% rebuild-able.



We run the Steer Smarts and would highly recommend them for tie rod and drag link. They use 1.5 ton parts and are really beefy.



We actually installed the RK HD tie rod on our last big build another great product as well.



Keep us in mind. We give forum members a discount on all Jeep parts as well.
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Fusion 4x4 Tie rod and drag link.
https://www.fusion4x4.com/online-sto...ombo-p87196131

These things are the real deal and beefy. Uses Rare Parts rebuildable 2.5 ton ends.

I had a Currie setup, the tie rod lasted 3 months, This is still going strong 15 months later and has taken all kinds of abuse.
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https://doetschoffroad.com/t/steering

I'm going to order these within the next few days... $400 for both out of 7075 1.5" Aluminum.... Shipping and stabilizer bracket another $100. Still, almost 1/2 the price of the ones listed above.
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I'm going to order these within the next few days... $400 for both out of 7075 1.5" Aluminum.... Shipping and stabilizer bracket another $100. Still, almost 1/2 the price of the ones listed above.
The Fusion stuff is 1.75" 7075 Aluminum. 1.25" shank 2.5 ton ends. It's a step above what you bought which is why yours was 1/2 the price.

If you want a 1 ton setup with a 1.5" tie rod and drag link, look at the Barnes 4WD setup. https://www.barnes4wd.com/Jeep-JK-1-...RED_p_836.html

Now don't get me wrong, there is a place for what you bought and if you are not rock crawling, that stuff is more than adequate. If you want some of the best stuff available, you want to seriously look at the Fusion 4x4 stuff.
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I just recently went to Rock Krawler Offroad Pro - 1.75 7075 aluminum with heim ends instead of TRE. Pure beef. However, because of the massive ends, you need either spacers or backspace 4 or less on a 17 inch wheel. (4.25 will not comfortably clear the ends).

If you offroad at all, aluminum - period. For a street Jeep, steel would be fine and any of them will "work".

You would not be able to run the matching Rock Krawler draglink - it requires a draglink flip which you dont have enough lift to do. I only have 2.5 lift, but with hydroassist steering, a ton of force is taken off the draglink so I just run a generic cheapie draglink.
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I'm going to order these within the next few days... $400 for both out of 7075 1.5" Aluminum.... Shipping and stabilizer bracket another $100. Still, almost 1/2 the price of the ones listed above.
I just installed these on my buddyís JKUR and they are pretty nice. I have Steer Smarts on my JKUR and I thin either way is a good choice.
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I'm also a fan of the aluminum systems... If you bump a steel tie rod on a rock, it's usually toast. Aluminum is not.

I like the RPM stuff. https://www.rpmsteering.com/25-Ton-J...Kit_p_397.html

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I'm going to order these within the next few days... $400 for both out of 7075 1.5" Aluminum.... Shipping and stabilizer bracket another $100. Still, almost 1/2 the price of the ones listed above.
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The Fusion stuff is 1.75" 7075 Aluminum. 1.25" shank 2.5 ton ends. It's a step above what you bought which is why yours was 1/2 the price.

If you want a 1 ton setup with a 1.5" tie rod and drag link, look at the Barnes 4WD setup. https://www.barnes4wd.com/Jeep-JK-1-...RED_p_836.html

Now don't get me wrong, there is a place for what you bought and if you are not rock crawling, that stuff is more than adequate. If you want some of the best stuff available, you want to seriously look at the Fusion 4x4 stuff.
Yeah, the 1 ton setups are good, but not the same durability as the 2.5 ton ends. The rod is still good, but you might bend the 1 ton TRE occasionally. Fortunately, they are an inexpensive fix if the rod is still good.
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Here's another thread with some good info:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/p...l#post34079889
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Is this the same Phoenix company RPM Fab that went out of business and shafted customers that had already paid for orders.
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My experience with Steersmarts has been atypical. When I first got it, they were having attenuator problems with the XD on the Tie Rod. It went back to redesign, and they finally got it sorted out. I think that they sent me two or three new ones to replace the ones that failed on trails that were not that difficult.
Now the problem is, I cannot for the life of me get my drag link end to stay tight at the Kuckle. I had problems with it on the stock knuckle, so I thought, no problem, and went with Reid Knuckles. Now I am having the same problem with the Reid knuckles. Steer Smarts has been phenomenal in their customer support. I could not ask for anything, except that the rod end would stay tight. After spending close to a grand on their XD drag link and Tie Rod, and I am about to ditch it, because of the frustration.
As for whether or not Steel VS. Aluminum, I just did the Rubicon, and the steel held up fine on that trail. It is more relentless than difficult, although there are many obstacles that probably rate a solid 7, it is just that they keep coming at you. It literally took us about 7 hours to get to Buck Island. We did have an hour and a half rescue in the middle, because of a broken brake line.
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Is this the same Phoenix company RPM Fab that went out of business and shafted customers that had already paid for orders.
I hadn't heard that from the Jeep crew, but I just researched a little and it seems like the Toyota crew had some issues for sure. Bummer.
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As far as ANY business, realize the following. If they are declaring insolvent bankruptcy they CANNOT refund anything unless or until the bankruptcy judge would permit it. It is referred to as "preferential transfer" - for example, secured creditors (like if he had a mortgage on his building) always have preference. You cant refund some guys bumper before paying the building lien. Bankruptcy 101.

Here is the big problem that happened. Folks making any "sizable" purchase should always pay for them using CREDIT CARD. A credit card gives you chargeback rights if you dont get what you paid for. They wouldve gotten their money back, and the credit card companies could have filed against the bankruptcy estate. The Toyota dudes I heard about weren't this smart. The business COULDNT refund them even if they wanted to so it has absolutely NOTHING to say about the owner as a person or businessman.
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Recommended tie rod and drag link.

From what I understand they were heavily promoting their goods and had a big sales event days before they sent out a Dear Customer So Sorry letter. If true that seems like questionable ethics. That seems to be what the Toyota people were complaining about. Be that as it may, I wonít be giving my money to any new business they start.

In full disclosure I have the Fusion4x4 drag link and tierod and am a happy clam. Have run them on both a PR44 and a PR60 and I could not ask for more. I have to believe that if a Jeep needs a SS or drag link damper there is something wrong with the setup.
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A lot O options. I went with MetalCloak hd.
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What about the Barnes aluminum the rod?
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What about the Barnes aluminum the rod?
Barnes - Ruffstuff - Stinkyfab - Hired Gun Offroad - Liquid Iron - TNT Customs

All make nice 1 ton units. Good, but the TRE's are a weak spot and will bend. As said above, they are economical to replace so it's a viable option if you want to go in at the lower cost point. I see a few guys that carry spare TRE's to rebuild on the trail if needed.

Others, like TMR Customs make the 2.5 ton units.

So add these to those mentioned above and you have lots of options...
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What about the Barnes aluminum the rod?
The Barnes is a decent setup, uses common GM 1 ton TRE's. They are also a stand up company.

I was going that way, had ordered one with a pair of extra ends. Post Office lost my package. Barnes gave me a choice of reshipping (overnight) or full refund right away once we realized the PO screwed up.

Between that though, I got concerned about bending the 1 ton ends, and saw a Fusion setup. I ended up taking the refund from Barnes and buying the Fusion.

Wouldn't you know, 2 weeks later, the missing tie rod showed up. I did the right thing and sent it back.
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This is a timely thread for me. How necessary are these upgrades for a moderately wheeled rig? I know the TJ steering parts were cooked spaghetti, and have had to bend some back on the trail, but is the JK stuff just as weak?

Also, are the 1 ton TREs that much of a concern with 35 or 37" tires? I run FJ80 TREs on my crawler, and while they do wear out quickly, I've never bent one, running 16.5" wide 39.5" Pitbulls and hydroassist.

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The problem with a JK is the tie rod is the first thing to get hit when wheeling as it hangs low. Steel will bend, aluminum will flex.

If you are wheeling a JK with 37's, I would seriously consider 2.5 ton ends. 35's the 1 tons should be ok but I might consider carrying a spare set of TRE's.
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Barnes - Ruffstuff - Stinkyfab - Hired Gun Offroad - Liquid Iron - TNT Customs



All make nice 1 ton units. Good, but the TRE's are a weak spot and will bend. As said above, they are economical to replace so it's a viable option if you want to go in at the lower cost point. I see a few guys that carry spare TRE's to rebuild on the trail if needed.



Others, like TMR Customs make the 2.5 ton units.



So add these to those mentioned above and you have lots of options...


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One of these days I'm going to get in trouble for posting this picture...

1 ton TRE's in the process of being bent. Tie rod was fine and he replaced the TRE's. Later upgraded to the new Rock Krawler Tie Rod.

http://rockkrawler.com/jk-off-road-pro-tie-rod/

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I went with Metalcloak Full HD Steering System with RockSport Steering Stabilizer. Have the MC 4.5" Gamechanger w/ Hi-lift steering. Very strong and pretty gold!
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Taco’ed a Synergy tie rod, so now I have a StinkyFab aluminum one.
Drag link is Synergy chromolly.
Fox stabilzer, flipped using Synergy bracket.

That’s another thing, the JK’s factory position for the stabilizer means it hits easily, taking the tie rod to the grave with it. Flip it above the tie rod.
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Recommended tie rod and drag link.

I have the Metalcloak HD tie rod bought in 2016 also, I bent one of the ends this summer made a call and new one arrived in 1 week.
Shoutout to MC for great customer.
Now if I ever replace I think Iím going aluminum. Iím on 2.5 lift and my poor tie rod takes beating.


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