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Old 02-20-2018, 02:43 AM
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Recon, 10a Springs on 2dr advice

I've been doing a lot of reading but wanted to double check and hoped someone has experience.

I have a 2017 Willys 2dr with a Hardrock bumper. I have a Warn Xeon winch that is awaiting being put on. I noticed that just my weight was creating a lot of dip and didn't want that much on the stock springs.

The options I am looking at is just a little lift but springs that will support the weight of the Warn winch.

I'm not going to add huge tires at the moment so I don't think going with the Mopar 2inch lift kit at the moment is a good idea. Just a bit too much lift for the stock tires.

I am thinking about the Recon or 10a JKU springs however I wanted to see what experienced Jeepers thought. My thoughts are the JKU Recon 10a springs would add a touch more lift to make up for the sag from winch weight. Seems like there are two rear springs used between the 10a and Recon. I figure maybe its better to go with the Recons?

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How much will my ride quality change?

Are there any problems I could run into?

I'd love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and pictures if you have any!

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I recently went from 14/56 springs to installed 68196005AA/68024461AA springs and Rubicon shocks to my 2dr Sport. Gained about 1.75" in the front and about 1.5" in the back. Ride is somewhat stiffer but still rides decent.

Sorry, no recent pics and it is dark outside now to even take one.

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There is no rhyme or reason to what springs FCA puts on jeeps, the 4drs will have stiffer springs but the 2drs even with a long thread no one figured out exactly what triggers what springs on what models. My 2dr dual top manual trans rubicon came with some of the lightest springs available and would hit bump stops at times, now on a 2.5" lift with 4dr springs it is much better.

Compare the tag numbers to really know if you will see an improvement or not. They are super easy to read just from quickly getting under the vehicle and looking up or sticking your phone near them and taking a photo.

Heck for my old 4dr I upgraded to stiffer springs for my sagging rear by just ordering the stiffer numbered ones for $80 on ebay.
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I recently went from 14/56 springs to installed 68196005AA/68024461AA springs and Rubicon shocks to my 2dr Sport. Gained about 1.75" in the front and about 1.5" in the back. Ride is somewhat stiffer but still rides decent.

Sorry, no recent pics and it is dark outside now to even take one.
I'd love to see before and after pics when its light out.
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Just buy a Rancho 2" and be done with it. The Rancho 2" ride reports are way better than the JKU swaps. I started down the same path as you but quickly realized the cost would be close to the same w/a better end result..
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What makes the Rancho better then the Mopar Recon/10a springs?
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Progressive springs, better shocks, more compliant ride, more consistent lift height. You know what you'll get with the Rancho, you may have to have a mix match party till you find the correct spring #s that get you ride level or raked depending on your wishes.
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Looks like a nice kit. I still want to explore the factory springs as they match the factory design. I'll keep it in mind.
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Progressive springs, better shocks, more compliant ride, more consistent lift height. You know what you'll get with the Rancho, you may have to have a mix match party till you find the correct spring #s that get you ride level or raked depending on your wishes.
I think you may have forgotten a few items when comparing the Rancho to the Mopar such as the Rancho 2in lift doesn't include sway bar links, a rear TB relocation bracket or a replacement drive shaft and that's assuming we're talking about the one that actually includes rear springs and not spacers. However, the Rancho may not need the DS since the length of the non included longer links may likely limit the amount of suspension droop anyways.

The other points you did mention are pretty debatable as well. The Rancho 2in is a decent value lift but try not to let your bias get the best of you since anyone who knows anything about suspension lifts, it actually comes across more of being misinformed than it does as endorsement praise for the Rancho kit.
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Rancho springs will not compensate for a winch.... I would look for RECON springs... and then add a 3/4" or 1' spacer in front to compensate for winch sag... I would only do the Rancho kit if you intend to replace shocks... you will still need a spacer...
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I think you may have forgotten a few items when comparing the Rancho to the Mopar such as the Rancho 2in lift doesn't include sway bar links, a rear TB relocation bracket or a replacement drive shaft and that's assuming we're talking about the one that actually includes rear springs and not spacers. However, the Rancho may not need the DS since the length of the non included longer links may likely limit the amount of suspension droop anyways.

The other points you did mention are pretty debatable as well. The Rancho 2in is a decent value lift but try not to let your bias get the best of you since anyone who knows anything about suspension lifts, it actually comes across more of being misinformed than it does as endorsement praise for the Rancho kit.
HMMM, I never compared the Mopar to the Rancho since the op said NO GO on the MOPAR. OP asked about ride quality and supporting a winch. I put in countless hours researching a JKU spring swap on my 2dr. My research says better ride and damn near same spring rates as OEM springs w/Rancho's. A set of 10a's will add about 1.75 to the front or the same 1.75 you'll get w/a set of Rancho springs & winch. In regards to spreading misinformation, like a 2" lift requires a new driveline, track bar bracket and links?? I thought shocks limited how much the axle will droop? Since your sway bar will be discod if you need that much flex?
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I think you may have forgotten a few items when comparing the Rancho to the Mopar such as the Rancho 2in lift doesn't include sway bar links, a rear TB relocation bracket or a replacement drive shaft and that's assuming we're talking about the one that actually includes rear springs and not spacers. However, the Rancho may not need the DS since the length of the non included longer links may likely limit the amount of suspension droop anyways.

The other points you did mention are pretty debatable as well. The Rancho 2in is a decent value lift but try not to let your bias get the best of you since anyone who knows anything about suspension lifts, it actually comes across more of being misinformed than it does as endorsement praise for the Rancho kit.
The Rancho doesn't include those things because it doesn't need them. It's a very different animal than the 2" in-name-only Mopar or any other 2.5 that actually lifts 3"+. As stated by SheBotIt4Me, the rear lifts 1.5 to 1.75 and front 2 to 2.25. The front droop is limited by shock length to avoid driveshaft/exhaust conflict. Like a leveling kit with a lil extra.
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I'm doing the Red Shocks and 18/59 springs. Got them CHEAP. I'd like to salvage some of my soft ride. If they aren't bad I may step up to the RECON JKU ones. If my ride is what I want with the 18/59 and I want to level it up or need just a little height somewhere, I'll add a spacer.
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I'd love to see before and after pics when its light out.
I really did not take a dedicated "before" picture but found the closest before picture I had. It was take at a front nose angle somewhat and does not show the before profile well. Second pic I took today and is the after. You really would not notice it unless you measured it before/after as it still is what a stock Recon/Rubicon would roughly be.

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I have an ARB front bumper that weighed the front too much (2-Dr Rubi with #14 springs). My eventual solution was 4-Dr #18 springs on the front with a 1.75” pad. Sits level, looks stock, rides way better than the 14s. Totally happy.
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I have a 4 door sport with tow package. After adding the smittybilt src bumper, fog lights, and 9,5 winch the front springs were sagging. I have a 2inch spacer lift. I left the rear alone and added the 10A front springs (paid $60 for them) and it added about 1.5 to 2 inches to my ride height in front. Now the front is now 1 inch above the rear but from the side it looks perfectly level. No complaints on steering or driving.
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Just upgraded to an AEV lift. These are the numbers from my stock Recon JKU springs if anyone is wondering.

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Thanks for the pictures everyone. I like your Red Jeep It looks like you gained some lift are those 33's? I still have stock BFG's which I really like.

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I am thinking those exact springs you pictured numbers seem right on.

Sounds like with a 2 inch spacer 1 inch was netted with a JKU. I have a 2 door and hoping to get 1.5-2 with Stubby Hard rock bumper and 8s Warn winch. Feels like there is a bit of magic in the mix but I'll keep researching.

I was also looking at the Mopar 2 inch but it just seems a little too much with out 35's Nice kit but not sure.
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Do you happen to have the part number for the front and rear shocks. I read somewhere the rears are different then the standard Rubicon or Willy's. Probably to compensate for the added lift. I'd love to compare.

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I meant to ask how do you like the ride? Does it differ much?




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I really did not take a dedicated "before" picture but found the closest before picture I had. It was take at a front nose angle somewhat and does not show the before profile well. Second pic I took today and is the after. You really would not notice it unless you measured it before/after as it still is what a stock Recon/Rubicon would roughly be.

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So looking to go this route. Have 14/56 currently.

1) I see two combos of 10a springs. What one is correct?
68196005AA/68024461AA
68196006AA/68196009AA
2) Where online can mopar parts be purchased at a discount?

Just confirming if I have to look up these parts, looking for springs for a recon rubicon. That’s what the 10a are for from factory?
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Guessing those are for a hardtop Recon. Think mine (soft top) were xx59 at the back (? - I need to go check..)

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My 4 door recon had the second set of numbers. I have seen others tho with the -61 in rear
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IMO - Since you have a two door Jeep -I'd just try and pick up some JKU take-off springs cheap. I have the Rancho lift and like it, but if I had a two door, I'd look for take offs. There are lots of people that lift their JKU and basically give away the stock springs.
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IMO - Since you have a two door Jeep -I'd just try and pick up some JKU take-off springs cheap. I have the Rancho lift and like it, but if I had a two door, I'd look for take offs. There are lots of people that lift their JKU and basically give away the stock springs.
The Rancho Kit has been my option but looking to keep it mopar at this time. Just want to be sure I get the correct part numbers for the Springs. I don’t mind paying for new 10A springs.
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I've been doing a lot of reading but wanted to double check and hoped someone has experience.

I have a 2017 Willys 2dr with a Hardrock bumper. I have a Warn Xeon winch that is awaiting being put on. I noticed that just my weight was creating a lot of dip and didn't want that much on the stock springs.

The options I am looking at is just a little lift but springs that will support the weight of the Warn winch.

I'm not going to add huge tires at the moment so I don't think going with the Mopar 2inch lift kit at the moment is a good idea. Just a bit too much lift for the stock tires.

I am thinking about the Recon or 10a JKU springs however I wanted to see what experienced Jeepers thought. My thoughts are the JKU Recon 10a springs would add a touch more lift to make up for the sag from winch weight. Seems like there are two rear springs used between the 10a and Recon. I figure maybe its better to go with the Recons?

68196006AA
68196009AA

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68024461AA


How much will my ride quality change?

Are there any problems I could run into?

I'd love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and pictures if you have any!
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So looking to go this route. Have 14/56 currently.

1) I see two combos of 10a springs. What one is correct?
68196005AA/68024461AA
68196006AA/68196009AA
2) Where online can mopar parts be purchased at a discount?

Just confirming if I have to look up these parts, looking for springs for a recon rubicon. That’s what the 10a are for from factory?
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The Rancho Kit has been my option but looking to keep it mopar at this time. Just want to be sure I get the correct part numbers for the Springs. I don’t mind paying for new 10A springs.
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Read this thread...

You want the 006AA/009AA springs and shocks from the JKUR 10A / Recon

You'll gain about 2.5" installing these on a 2-door.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/p...p-1051385.html

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Read this thread...

You want the 006AA/009AA springs and shocks from the JKUR 10A / Recon

You'll gain about 2.5" installing these on a 2-door.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/p...p-1051385.html

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Vendor section moparonlineparts but mopar 2” lift coils are cheaper.
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Vendor section moparonlineparts but mopar 2” lift coils are cheaper.
Thanks for the link.

As for 2inch springs from what i read the Mopar 2 inch lift kit that comes with a drive shaft increases due to angle/exhaust contact and the height of a 2 door soft top to about 3 or 3.5 inchs in reality.....that is too high for me and 33's with 3.21 gears......it will have alot "flex" flex space and the look my be a bit off.
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Thanks for the link.

As for 2inch springs from what i read the Mopar 2 inch lift kit that comes with a drive shaft increases due to angle/exhaust contact and the height of a 2 door soft top to about 3 or 3.5 inchs in reality.....that is too high for me and 33's with 3.21 gears......it will have alot "flex" flex space and the look my be a bit off.
Need to be specific when referencing Mopar 2" lifts (Jeep Performance Parts) ... the old Mopar 2" lift kit is much different than the new Mopar 2" lift kit you see discussed in recent threads -- the older kit being closer to 2-2.5" net lift.

The newer Jeep Performance Parts kit is closer to 3"... hence new driveshaft options added for use with 3.6L models. The reason is to eliminate the need to alter the exhaust with spacers.

There's a max [net] lift threshold that mitigates the need to mess with other suspension, steering and exhaust mods... not sure what that exact maximum specification is -- but I think its closer to 2" to 2.25".

@jadmt knows.. he has a lot of experience installing lifts.

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