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Old 11-29-2019, 10:53 AM   #31
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I don't think that's necessarily a fair statement.

There's no question that the new one is FAR stronger than the OEM. But if the OEM was good enough once reinforced with the skid plates attached to it, then it doesn't matter.

I'm not saying it's not worth the upgrade. I just ordered one. I'm just saying that comparing the two is irrelevant. You could order a 1/2" plate steel hood and, when compared to the original, suggest that the upgrade was a no brainer. But you're not accounting for the fact that nobody needs a stronger hood in the first place.

Now then... I've just watched an installation video for the cross member. Man... I'm not looking forward to this. Did you guys all have to pull your frames back together to get the new one in??? Should I go out and buy a super-heavy-duty ratchet strap before I make my Jeep undrivable?
Lol....WHAT?

you just talked yourself in circles.....if you dont think you need it then why did you order one....people taco their stock x member with skids all the time....if you aren't looking forward to replacing a non bent member then try removing a bent one.....your comparison theories truly are hilarious...

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Lol....WHAT?

you just talked yourself in circles.....if you dont think you need it then why did you order one....people taco their stock x member with skids all the time....if you aren't looking forward to replacing a non bent member then try removing a bent one.....your comparison theories truly are hilarious...
I do think I need it. The earlier comments convinced me it's a good idea.

I'm just saying that simply looking at the two and noting how much better the new one is isn't a reason in itself for it to be a no-brainer.

The reason I decided I need it is the earlier comments saying that once I attach the skid plates and bang it off a bunch of stuff, if it gets damaged enough that I decide to replace it later it might be a massive problem trying to line up the beat up old skid plates with the new cross member.

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Now then... I've just watched an installation video for the cross member. Man... I'm not looking forward to this. Did you guys all have to pull your frames back together to get the new one in??? Should I go out and buy a super-heavy-duty ratchet strap before I make my Jeep undrivable?
What?? Mine went in super easy. I dunno what they must've done with the jeep in the install video you saw.

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Here's the video I watched. I took a peek at mine today. It's not as bad as his but it's definitely taken a few hits.

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Here's the video I watched. I took a peek at mine today. It's not as bad as his but it's definitely taken a few hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiLd8rEcUts
Looks like that jeep got beat up a bit with the stock skids on it (not even rock hard) before the cross member install

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Looks like that jeep got beat up a bit with the stock skids on it (not even rock hard) before the cross member install
Yeah. But so has mine. Here's hoping I get lucky and it's an easy install.
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I have a heated garage and drive my Jeep maybe 6k miles a year. It’s the poor finish and not my maintenance schedule. This isn’t my first rodeo.

Again I have no issues with my Poison Spyder bumper.
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I’ve already coated them myself with hammerfinish and they came out great. I only have one more year in this state before heading South where I won’t need to worry about rust. Btw your picture analogy is as ridiculous as your comparison of Chicago and North Virginia. Amateur.
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For what it's worth, I used the stock crossmember when I installed my Rock Hard skids and four years later I haven't had any problems. And my skids have taken quite a beating during that time. Lots of rock hits and zero problems.
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I have RH4x4 skids (everything but gas tank) on my JKUR and I'm still running the OEM cross-member without issue. My skids have taken good hits and been used to slide over and across rocks. I have still been able to remove/re-install my skids for T-case and trans service without issue. Coming soon I will complete the full underside with the addition of the gas tank skid and will probably go ahead and add the cross member too just to complete the kit.
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When you open up the cross member box and feel the difference between the two.....you'll understand it was a no brainer....
I don't think that's necessarily a fair statement.

There's no question that the new one is FAR stronger than the OEM. But if the OEM was good enough once reinforced with the skid plates attached to it, then it doesn't matter.

I'm not saying it's not worth the upgrade. I just ordered one. I'm just saying that comparing the two is irrelevant. You could order a 1/2" plate steel hood and, when compared to the original, suggest that the upgrade was a no brainer. But you're not accounting for the fact that nobody needs a stronger hood in the first place.

Now then... I've just watched an installation video for the cross member. Man... I'm not looking forward to this. Did you guys all have to pull your frames back together to get the new one in??? Should I go out and buy a super-heavy-duty ratchet strap before I make my Jeep undrivable?
The installation is a PITA, at least that was my experience.

Have a buddy to help, and I made liberal use of a drop-dead hammer and pry bars.

I almost gave up, and then: one last push and it all came together.

At any rate, another positive vote for replacing the stock crossmember.
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I have RH4x4 skids (everything but gas tank) on my JKUR and I'm still running the OEM cross-member without issue. My skids have taken good hits and been used to slide over and across rocks. I have still been able to remove/re-install my skids for T-case and trans service without issue
The RH skids (oil pan+T/C) can protect the OEM crossmember from some damage but if sliding over+across rocks is the game plan upgrading the crossmember makes sense.

The CPO video in this thread just shows how beaten his OEM crossmember was before upgrading. Your crossmember upgrade install should be easier than the video.
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Iíve already coated them myself with hammerfinish and they came out great. I only have one more year in this state before heading South where I wonít need to worry about rust. Btw your picture analogy is as ridiculous as your comparison of Chicago and North Virginia. Amateur.
Okay big boy. No one is taking your online posturing seriously.

Maintain your metals, or stop complaining about them.

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Okay big boy. No one is taking your online posturing seriously.

Maintain your metals, or stop complaining about them.

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So now im trying to impress others by stating facts about weather conditions? Your intellect or lack of it is mind blowing.


RH4x4 should sell a product with a durable finish or not offer a finish at all. Other aftermarket manufacturers have figured it out so they should offer something that's at least equivalent if they want to compete. ...or in other words ...duh, common sense.
To place a disclaimer on their site regarding weather condition is a cop out and I'll make sure I'll inform anyone of my experience who is considering their product.
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So now im trying to impress others by stating facts about weather conditions? Your intellect or lack of it is mind blowing.


RH4x4 should sell a product with a durable finish or not offer a finish at all. Other aftermarket manufacturers have figured it out so they should offer something that's at least equivalent if they want to compete. ...or in other words ...duh, common sense.
You've had rock rails for three years.

You live in Chicago, which according to you is one of the most harsh environments on the planet, of which nothing else can compare.
You're complaining about a basic powder coat, that you didn't bother maintain. (probably because of the extreme environmental conditions you uniquely live in.)
I mean, if I had to live in a bubble because of the caustic environment I lived in, I probably wouldn't bother with my powder coat either. I'm sure environmental suits cost quit a bit. Clearly that's where your budget goes instead of maintaining your Jeep.

But, you'll keep complaining. Because that seems to be what you excel at.

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I have the RH skid plates with the stock cross member, I thought that would be fine, but after this, I'm going to have to get the RH c/m.
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You've had rock rails for three years.

You live in Chicago, which according to you is one of the most harsh environments on the planet, of which nothing else can compare.
You're complaining about a basic powder coat, that you didn't bother maintain. (probably because of the extreme environmental conditions you uniquely live in.)
I mean, if I had to live in a bubble because of the caustic environment I lived in, I probably wouldn't bother with my powder coat either. I'm sure environmental suits cost quit a bit. Clearly that's where your budget goes instead of maintaining your Jeep.

But, you'll keep complaining. Because that seems to be what you excel at.

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I see reading comprehension or math aren't your forte. My Rock rails were rusting in under a year. I've only owned the Jeep for 2 years.

Bottom line my rails were maintained like the rest of my Jeep. I stated so several posts ago but you continue to ramble on about it trying to come to a point while walking in a circle.


Clearly this is all over your head. Moving on now instead of wasting more time.
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I just learned that Chicago is an EXTREME ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION of which there is no place on Earth like it!

Cinisi is a badass for living there!
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I just learned that Chicago is an EXTREME ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION of which there is no place on Earth like it!

Cinisi is a badass for living there!
I'm not complaining about the coating, but that actually describes my sentiment about this place to a T. Getting out of this awful place asap.

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I was being silly....

There's alot of reasons I'd leave Chicago....the weather isn't really one of them.....

Indy uses just as much salt as you guys so I'm used to the situation.....just gotta wash often after a storm....

Powder coating should hold up fine until it gets knicked...

Cinisi is alright in my book....wasn't him I was aiming that at....

Don't forget....gravity is a millennial....
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I was being silly....

There's alot of reasons I'd leave Chicago....the weather isn't really one of them.....

Indy uses just as much salt as you guys so I'm used to the situation.....just gotta wash often after a storm....

Powder coating should hold up fine until it gets knicked...

Cinisi is alright in my book....wasn't him I was aiming that at....

Don't forget....gravity is a millennial....
I thought you were supposed to be older and wiser, not petty and ageist.

Inwas just quoting him, because apparently his salt and brine is more caustic than the rest of the country.

I guess I'll put you back on ignore, much like the nursing home you belong in: a place you can be forgotten.

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Here I am... just excited about a bunch of big heavy boxes that should show up in a few weeks.
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Here I am... just excited about a bunch of big heavy boxes that should show up in a few weeks.
You'll be super happy with them. You can't go wrong with Rock Hard. If you get a scratch, cover it before it oxidizes and you'll be fine.

Year and a half with mine, zero rust and easily maintained.

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I have the Rock Hard skids and initially bolted them to the stock cross member. But I have seen a couple of bent stock cross members since and read reports of others, so decided to upgrade to the Rock Hard cross member. It is beefy and I expect it to hold up and maintain alignment for the skid attachments. I was not as difficult to install as some have reported, possibly because I did not wait until the stock one was mangled. In any case, very pleased with Rock Hard so far.
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So... on the topic of installation... I'm thinkin' it's probably a good idea to climb under the jeep with a wash bucket and clean up the OEM gas tank skid as best I can and then paint it over with some Rustoleum before putting the new skids on.

Anyone else do that? It's pretty beat up and I'd hate for it to rust away into nothing completely hidden under the new Rock Hard skid. It holds the gas tank up, right?
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So... on the topic of installation... I'm thinkin' it's probably a good idea to climb under the jeep with a wash bucket and clean up the OEM gas tank skid as best I can and then paint it over with some Rustoleum before putting the new skids on.

Anyone else do that? It's pretty beat up and I'd hate for it to rust away into nothing completely hidden under the new Rock Hard skid. It holds the gas tank up, right?
Not really, the RH gas tank skid doesn't really hold the tank, it bolts to the OEM tank skid plate, at least on the inner side. I'd say the OEM skid holds the RH skid
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Now then... I've just watched an installation video for the cross member. Man... I'm not looking forward to this. Did you guys all have to pull your frames back together to get the new one in??? Should I go out and buy a super-heavy-duty ratchet strap before I make my Jeep undrivable?
I did not have a single issue with installation of a new cross-member. It was an easy job involving 4 long bolts attaching it to the frame.
No, the frame rails will not just move apart. If you look under the jeep, there are multiple cross-members including the ones welded in. This is just one out of several. I have never heard about issues with frame rails moving once the cross-member is removed.
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I have never heard about issues with frame rails moving once the cross-member is removed.
Neither have I. My factory crossmember was a twisted mass of metal when I removed it. My new JCR crossmember slid right in and bolted up just fine.

I then bolted in my skids.

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