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Old 05-16-2017, 06:02 PM
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Rough Country Series II 3.5 lift kit

i am getting ready to purchase the Rough Country Series II 3.5 lift kit and I was wondering if I should buy a leveling kit as well or does the lift kit resolve the leveling issue? If I should add one can you recommend the best one that works with this lift?

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You don't need a leveling kit to go with a coil lift unless you sag. Your already asking for trouble going with that series ii 3.5 RC kit. Good luck though.

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i am getting ready to purchase the Rough Country Series II 3.5 lift kit and I was wondering if I should buy a leveling kit as well or does the lift kit resolve the leveling issue? If I should add one can you recommend the best one that works with this lift?
No, a leveling kit would add height and you are already pushing the limits without addressing many other issues.

Is there a reason you want to buy the RC kit? They are not all that good at lifting Jeeps...
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Don't buy the leveling kit. Save your cash for a second lift kit and labor to remove/replace the RC lift.
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Welcome to the forum. Consider yourself extra lucky to have this conversation before the purchase.
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I know many people running the RC stage 2 kit with zero issues. Add a front track bar and enjoy your kit.
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I know many people running the RC stage 2 kit with zero issues. Add a front track bar and enjoy your kit.


Compare sample size of dissatisfied customers vs. satisfied customers in equivalent usage. Your assertion will fail with population size.
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Quite a bit of feedback on sagging springs and harsh riding shocks... But the 3.5 Series II is the best they make.

The scenario where it might not be too bad is a light weight build with the drop Pitman not used and a proper drag link flip added.

Still not a choice most of us would make...
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Uh, I was going to buy the exact same thing. I saw almost all good reviews. Where can i find these bad reviews? What is the issue with them? Rough Country told me they are 3.5" under load which I assume meant it wouldn't sag with after market parts.

Can someone give me suggestions for another 3.5" lift in a similar price range, because this ones $500 price was pushing it for me already since I just got 35" tires installed, got a pretty fixed income, dang kids.
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Uh, I was going to buy the exact same thing. I saw almost all good reviews. Where can i find these bad reviews? What is the issue with them? Rough Country told me they are 3.5" under load which I assume meant it wouldn't sag with after market parts.

Can someone give me suggestions for another 3.5" lift in a similar price range, because this ones $500 price was pushing it for me already since I just got 35" tires installed, got a pretty fixed income, dang kids.
You spend what has to be big bucks for tires and expect a $500 lift kit? You will not find a quality lift kit and shocks for $500. I would suggest wait to run big tires until you can afford a good lift and shocks. Did you regear or do any axle reinforcement? Unfortunately big Jeeps are a pay to play sport not for the light of budget.
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Uh, I was going to buy the exact same thing. I saw almost all good reviews. Where can i find these bad reviews? What is the issue with them? Rough Country told me they are 3.5" under load which I assume meant it wouldn't sag with after market parts.

Can someone give me suggestions for another 3.5" lift in a similar price range, because this ones $500 price was pushing it for me already since I just got 35" tires installed, got a pretty fixed income, dang kids.
RC had an issue with sagging springs years ago and the negative reputation hasn't died. People on the Internet hate RC, the majority of them never have having a RC kit. People the the real world that have them seem to like them.
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RC had an issue with sagging springs years ago and the negative reputation hasn't died. People on the Internet hate RC, the majority of them never have having a RC kit. People the the real world that have them seem to like them.
I can say from direct experience having removed an RC 3.25 and installing a TF 2.5 with front LCA's it was like changing a Yugo in to a Lexus. It was 2 years ago, it rode and drove like crap.

But they sell plenty...

The difficult part for me is focusing on the cheapest suspension possible for a $40k Jeep. Especially when the suspension is the heart and soul of the Jeep.

To each their own... Just trying to provide the best possible advice. And there are times when that includes a fair amount of opinion.
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You get what you pay for. There is a reason the kit is $500. I know of no one in the "real world" here who would say they like them.
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Save for a better lift, I wish I had. Instead I got impatient and went with budget lift.


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I for one speak from real experince...
I have/had this lift.(it was on the jeep when I bought it...dealer installed and I didn't know better) Save your money. After just a few months it was a 2.5" lift. One of the shocks failed in just over a year.

I can say that the ride isn't terrible, but I just spent $700 on new springs and real shocks and it is back to the right height.

Dropped pitman arm is going away and the only things left after that are the rear trackbar bracket (the artec is on my bench) and the front lower control arms, which in all honesty aren't terrible.

Really, save your money and buy a decent lift.
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We remove plenty of RC kits and replace them with better ones to this day. Buy once, hurt once. Or buy twice, hurt twice.

Do a dragflip at least, not a pitman arm.

I agree with Pressurized, to me the last place to skip out is the suspension where there is constant feedback and at the end of the day determines how much you like driving the Jeep. RC is the cheapest in the industry and everyone can get their hands on their products so they get pushed a lot. Your Jeep does not have to "ride and drive like a Jeep." But I have learned that at the end of the day most people who want RC will get it anyway.
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I for one speak from real experince...
I have/had this lift.(it was on the jeep when I bought it...dealer installed and I didn't know better) Save your money. After just a few months it was a 2.5" lift. One of the shocks failed in just over a year.

I can say that the ride isn't terrible, but I just spent $700 on new springs and real shocks and it is back to the right height.

Dropped pitman arm is going away and the only things left after that are the rear trackbar bracket (the artec is on my bench) and the front lower control arms, which in all honesty aren't terrible.

Really, save your money and buy a decent lift.
Thank you for your input. Can you tell me why you didn't just have RC warranty the springs? Everything I have read states they have a lifetime warranty on all of their parts? I get it that they don't match up to other kits and I am taking that into consideration. Everybody's input is helpful but I have not heard anything about RC refusing to honor warranty issues. Has this been anyone's experience?
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Thank you for your input. Can you tell me why you didn't just have RC warranty the springs? Everything I have read states they have a lifetime warranty on all of their parts? I get it that they don't match up to other kits and I am taking that into consideration. Everybody's input is helpful but I have not heard anything about RC refusing to honor warranty issues. Has this been anyone's experience?
That would be a complete waste of time. I don't want to warranty springs every year.

Sounds like you are really set on this lift so go for it, just don't say we didn't tell you so.
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I have this kit but opted for the Bilstein 5100, what issues should I be looking forward to?
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I have this kit but opted for the Bilstein 5100, what issues should I be looking forward to?
sagging springs, crappy steering response and lots of flak from people on the forums.
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You get what you pay for. There is a reason the kit is $500. I know of no one in the "real world" here who would say they like them.
Let me be the first then. I like my RC 3.5" Series II lift kit the same as I did the day I installed it. I have wheeled a few times over the past 18 months and never had any issues. The only thing I did was change out the shocks for some Rancho 9000's, which was done for two reasons. First the price was really good, and I wanted to see if they were worth all the hype that I have read on here. I have only had them on for a few weeks, with no off-road use, so I can't really comment on that yet. I have a heavy front bumper and rear tire carrier/tire on the back and have no issues with "saggy" springs. If I ever do, then I will make a phone call to RC and get them to replace them.

If you bought your Jeep as a dedicated off-road wheeler and have the disposable income to get the more expensive lifts, then more power to you. It is your Jeep, do what feels right, just if you do buy the RC kit, don't tell anyone on here about it.
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sagging springs, crappy steering response and lots of flak from people on the forums.
What is the reason for crappy steering response?
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^^The drop pitman arm isn't as good as a proper drag link flip.
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Does the drop pitman arm put the drag link and track bar at different angles?
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Does the drop pitman arm put the drag link and track bar at different angles?


It would
I have to get a flip drag link still but you can see the angle difference from the HD track bar bracket I have on to the stock steering setup
Be just opposite from what mine looks like here
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To the OP, any reason for 3.5 inches of lift?
If tight on cash, why not RC's series II 2.5 budget boost? Half the price and a great little kit
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Is the quadratic max duty 3.5 lift kit better? It's got hydro shocks. Kinda looks like the skyjacker lift.
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What I would do if I were on a very tight budget assuming the OPs tires are 33s or 35s and wheels with proper backspace, and it is a strictly street or dirt road rig - chop factory fenders, trim air dam, trim pinch seam if needed. Cost: BIG FAT ZERO DOLLARS, just a couple hours of time. A JK can clear 35s for street driving on ZERO suspension lift. I would do this before putting a RC or bargain basement lift on. Then take time to save up for a proper spring lift if you want. No driveline issues, no alignment issues - just have to clearance with trimming. I would not do this on a rig that really wheels harder stuff, but for pavement and dirt road - absolutely.

A two door doesn't need a 3.5 lift unless you plan to run 37s and need factory fenders intact if you live somewhere that requires full fenders. Even a four door that only does mild wheeling doesn't need 3.5 to clear 33s or 35s - a four door may need 3.5 if they wheel harder stuff, but that has nothing to do with fitting tires, it is getting the belly up to compensate for the breakover on that long wheelbase to lessen time spent turtled on the gas tank skid.
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Is the quadratic max duty 3.5 lift kit better? It's got hydro shocks. Kinda looks like the skyjacker lift.
No.

What does it take to get people to understand that if your going to lift do it correctly. And when going 3.5 inches it is going to be costly because you are looking at a new front drive shaft sooner than later if you plan to wheel. Look at kits from Metalcloak, Teraflex, Rock Krawler and AEV. These companies got there reputation because they work. At a minimum a kit should look like this:

JK Wrangler True Dual-Rate Lift Kit, 2.5"/3.5", RockSport Edition

You could substitute drop brackets for control arms and if it is a street only machine that is not a bad idea.

There is a wealth of knowledge on this site of what works and what doesn't. Do it once and do it right, it is safer and it will cost less in the long run.
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i am getting ready to purchase the Rough Country Series II 3.5 lift kit and I was wondering if I should buy a leveling kit as well or does the lift kit resolve the leveling issue? If I should add one can you recommend the best one that works with this lift?
I'll echo what most everyone else has stated. I decided to use this kit on two previous JKs simply due to the price point. I achieved a mostly level stance and didn't see any significant sagging over a year or so on each but never saw the 3.5" lift, it was more around 2.75"; on my most recent JKs I've used Rock Krawler coils and the difference in ride quality (on/off road) was 200% better and I ended up settling to 3.75" after bumpers and "break in".

I used the drop pitman arm on one kit and the steering felt terrible and ended up stressing out the steering box to point of needing replacement. The next time around I used an adjustable track bar and that eliminated the issue on that JK. Also, the RC shocks are the worst aftermarket shocks I have ever used!! They are super stiff, provide no dampening on the road, and do not respond well to additional weight (bumpers, gear, people, etc). I upgraded to Rancho 9000 on each subsequent JK and never looked back.

Regarding the control arms that RC uses, I found them to be too short for my application and resulted in flighty steering. RC provided a set of adjustsbles at a nice discounted price to correct it but that was still an additional expense.

My long winded response detracted from your question so here is that answer. Do not buy a leveling kit to stack on top of the RC 3.5. You'll end up mostly level without it it just don't expect to get 3.5". Sidetracking the response again, If you're super constrained by budget get the RC 2.5" Budget Boost and get some good shocks (don't use the extensions). For $30 you can add the rear trackbar bracket from RC ( which I really like and use to this date) and get some new extended rear sway links for about $30 also. At that point you're right around the $500 you would have spent but you're ride quality will be greatly improved! Heck unlike most JK folks I actually like using a body lift so that could get you to that 3.5" you originally wanted.
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