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Old 07-15-2019, 12:09 PM
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I just bought a 2018 JK Oscar Mike here in Houston and it has no where near that amount of rust/corrosion. According to the Carfax it has been here since it was delivered from the factory. And there was flooding here as recently as May of this year. Outlying areas like Sugarland, Cleveland, Kingwood and others had high water.
Did you get it new? I'm assuming no since you got a carfax. I did some research after my last post and saw there was high water in Kingwood in May. I bought the Jeep from AutoNation Jeep in Spring. It's my third JKU and I've not seen anything like it.

I guess when buying a Jeep in future I'll have to take a garage creeper and slide around underneath it!

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My April 15 build didnít have rust like the OP until this past winter and I park in a garage everyday. Too many variables for people to conclusively say there is an issue.
I'm not saying conclusively that there is an issue. I'm stating a fact. And giving the OP another data point in case he decides to pursue any claims and happens to find out the complete history of his "new" Jeep.

From April of this year, after 3 Missouri winters.





The OP's pictures show obvious rust that should not be there for a vehicle that was new and he's only had for 6 months. Unless someone played U-boat commander with that thing on the beach in the salt water, on more than 1 occasion.

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Hereís my 2016 with 20K on it. It was in Seattle for the first two years of its life and one year in Boston. I take it through a car wash with undercarriage wash a minimum of 2X a week year round.




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Today marks the 7th day of owning a new 'rusty gold' Jeep. Fools gold, maybe!
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Did you get it new? I'm assuming no since you got a carfax. I did some research after my last post and saw there was high water in Kingwood in May. I bought the Jeep from AutoNation Jeep in Spring. It's my third JKU and I've not seen anything like it.

I guess when buying a Jeep in future I'll have to take a garage creeper and slide around underneath it!
No, wasn't new, but it has been in the Houston area (according to the
Carfax) since it was sold new. And crawling under is a good idea Jeep or not. One thing I learned some time ago: when buying a car from ANYBODY in this slice of the USA always check for potential flood cars. Not saying yours is, but even 'reputable' dealers have been caught selling previously flooded vehicles, used and new.
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So the Jeep was in Houston. I assume it was shipped directly there - is there a way I can confirm? I don't think calling the dealer would get the answer. I might go roll around underneath it some more this morning see what else I can see. I'm bummed about this.

It had 30 miles on it when I picked it up. While Houston flooded in 2017, and I don't think it has since, this Jeep was made Jan 2018.
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How long was your Jeep on the lot and do you live in the same region as the OP?
OP...Iíd say between condensation and minerals used on the lot this past year to clear snow itís normal. Go check some other leftover Jeeps to validate.

EDIT.. looks like youíre in New York so no.
Yes New York, where the city adds extra salt because snow means go faster because less cars on the road.

Mine was made in Oct 2016 and I purchased it Feb 2017, not sure how long it was on the lot but it was the first thing I looked at, and aside from cast iron parts ( like the Axles, Axle C, Coil perch) there is no visible rust till this day.
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Document that with the dealer. That looks like it sat out here on our PA lots. Not too bad though. I'd pick up a rust converter and spray those areas, then paint over. POR-15 makes a pretty good kit too that includes all the prep you need.
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So the Jeep was in Houston. I assume it was shipped directly there - is there a way I can confirm? I don't think calling the dealer would get the answer. I might go roll around underneath it some more this morning see what else I can see. I'm bummed about this.

It had 30 miles on it when I picked it up. While Houston flooded in 2017, and I don't think it has since, this Jeep was made Jan 2018.
The original window sticker will show the dealer it was delivered to. I'm guessing you don't have that? I think you can find out with your VIN where it was originally shipped to but I've never done that so I'm not sure how to go about it.
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I'm not saying conclusively that there is an issue. I'm stating a fact. And giving the OP another data point in case he decides to pursue any claims and happens to find out the complete history of his "new" Jeep.

From April of this year, after 3 Missouri winters.

The OP's pictures show obvious rust that should not be there for a vehicle that was new and he's only had for 6 months. Unless someone played U-boat commander with that thing on the beach in the salt water, on more than 1 occasion.

Yeah I disagree. I've seen countless new Jeep's with that amount of rust after this past winter. Early rusting on a Wrangler is not uncommon and in FACT there are countless posts about rust on a new or near new JK that go back over 10 years. It's common and the service manager will have a good laugh when the OP tries to say it's not normal. BTW your pics dont show the same areas as the OP and I can clearly see your tie rods are corroded. Im guessing they're the same crappy Rock Krawler tie rods I have because mine look the same.
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Some more info, FWIW. It was built Jan 2018 and I guess shipped direct to the lot on Houston. This is post Harvey flooding, and I don't believe there was any flooding last year in Houston, nor this year for that matter. It only had 30 miles on the odometer. I can only think this is corrosion from salt air (coastal breeze) and high humidity. Oh yes, and a lack of reasonable protection from corrosion at the plant.
It seems a little excessive, I bought one last year in the Houston area, it also a December 2017 built and delivered in January, it had some spots here and there of just surface rust, but i took care of them.

Just out of curiosity did you buy this Golden Eagle at Autonation of Spring I45?? my brother went to see a couple of Golden Eagles at that dealer around two weeks ago, and they looked in pretty bad shape, when we asked if they could do some treatment to the paint since it was pretty rough from all that time standing at the lot, and the tires also looked like crap specially the spare one, for a brand new vehicle, the salesman basically said it is a Wrangler it is supposed to look rough, that was when I told my brother lets go they dont need your business here, and we left.
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Yeah I disagree. I've seen countless new Jeep's with that amount of rust after this past winter. Early rusting on a Wrangler is not uncommon and in FACT there are countless posts about rust on a new or near new JK that go back over 10 years. It's common and the service manager will have a good laugh when the OP tries to say it's not normal. BTW your pics dont show the same areas as the OP and I can clearly see your tie rods are corroded. Im guessing they're the same crappy Rock Krawler tie rods I have because mine look the same.
Disagree all you want. You can't see the ends of the tie rod (singular) in my picture, and the bar itself has no rust on it anywhere. Are you confusing sway bar links with a tie rod?
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Disagree all you want. You can't see the ends of the tie rod (singular) in my picture, and the bar itself has no rust on it anywhere. Are you confusing sway bar links with a tie rod?

Yes the end link. My tie rod doesn't have rust on it either and the OP didn't post a pic of his tie rod so it's not even relevant.
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Yes the end link. My tie rod doesn't have rust on it either and the OP didn't post a pic of his tie rod so it's not even relevant.
So why did you feel compelled to point out "mine" were rusty? You might want to bone up on JK steering and suspension components.
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So why did you feel compelled to point out "mine" were rusty? You might want to bone up on JK steering and suspension components.

I said corroded because it was obvious just like you point out me calling one of your end links a tie rod. I'm well aware of the components just not a proficient proof reader. Thanks.
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Just out of curiosity did you buy this Golden Eagle at Autonation of Spring I45?? my brother went to see a couple of Golden Eagles at that dealer around two weeks ago, and they looked in pretty bad shape, when we asked if they could do some treatment to the paint since it was pretty rough from all that time standing at the lot, and the tires also looked like crap specially the spare one, for a brand new vehicle, the salesman basically said it is a Wrangler it is supposed to look rough, that was when I told my brother lets go they dont need your business here, and we left.
In May when I was shopping I went there to TD a 2015 Sahara JKU. After the drive and crawling around/under/in it I had pretty much decided against it. But I threw a couple of issues at the salesman just for fun, one being the TPMS not working. He said they couldn't do anything about that due to the aftermarket rims that were on it. I bid them farewell.
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In May when I was shopping I went there to TD a 2015 Sahara JKU. After the drive and crawling around/under/in it I had pretty much decided against it. But I threw a couple of issues at the salesman just for fun, one being the TPMS not working. He said they couldn't do anything about that due to the aftermarket rims that were on it. I bid them farewell.
Most people don’t pony up $$ for wheel sensors in aftermarket wheels - my ION’s don’t have them, nor will they be getting a set. My factory wheels have them.
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It seems a little excessive, I bought one last year in the Houston area, it also a December 2017 built and delivered in January, it had some spots here and there of just surface rust, but i took care of them.

Just out of curiosity did you buy this Golden Eagle at Autonation of Spring I45?? my brother went to see a couple of Golden Eagles at that dealer around two weeks ago, and they looked in pretty bad shape, when we asked if they could do some treatment to the paint since it was pretty rough from all that time standing at the lot, and the tires also looked like crap specially the spare one, for a brand new vehicle, the salesman basically said it is a Wrangler it is supposed to look rough, that was when I told my brother lets go they dont need your business here, and we left.
Yes, the very same dealer. They had 6 of them, but I was only interested in one of the white MT ones (they had 2 of them). I didn't see any of the others. I guess if it was in bad condition, they must've had it detailed quite nicely. I've washed and polished it and have found no defects or imperfections. Tires look good, but obviously car dealers paint tires black before it goes out the door. The engine was spotless, too.

Funny, the last JKU I bought from here, about a week after I got it I noticed a dent in the end cap of the rear bumper. I wasn't sure if it came like that so I made a thorough walk around this time (but not a roll under unfortunately.) I would have rejected it had I seen the rust first.

I have a dealer 6 miles from my house that sounds like they'll work with me. I'll see on Thursday.
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I bought my first Jeep KJ 2003 in Houston in 2015 - it probably saw a lot of flash flood and beach driving - undercarriage was like new, second one from Louisiana - no rust also. Rust is only from salt or whatever they apply on the roads in winter.
If the jeep was delivered in winter on car hauler lower deck it received a good amount of salt spray, dealers normally don't wash undercarriage upon receiving- if the dealership is in warm climate which increase the oxidation process for one year isn't that bad.

Welding sims are rusting anyway from inside under paint (I suggest removing the rear bumper and take a look inside the frame). JLs also have rusty weld sims, pic from JL forum:
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He didn't say they wouldn't pay for them, he said they wouldn't work. The first is negotiation. The second is a lie.
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It seems a little excessive, I bought one last year in the Houston area, it also a December 2017 built and delivered in January, it had some spots here and there of just surface rust, but i took care of them.

Just out of curiosity did you buy this Golden Eagle at Autonation of Spring I45?? my brother went to see a couple of Golden Eagles at that dealer around two weeks ago, and they looked in pretty bad shape, when we asked if they could do some treatment to the paint since it was pretty rough from all that time standing at the lot, and the tires also looked like crap specially the spare one, for a brand new vehicle, the salesman basically said it is a Wrangler it is supposed to look rough, that was when I told my brother lets go they dont need your business here, and we left.
Yes, the very same dealer. They had 6 of them, but I was only interested in one of the white MT ones (they had 2 of them). I didn't see any of the others. I guess if it was in bad condition, they must've had it detailed quite nicely. I've washed and polished it and have found no defects or imperfections. Tires look good, but obviously car dealers paint tires black before it goes out the door. The engine was spotless, too.

Funny, the last JKU I bought from here, about a week after I got it I noticed a dent in the end cap of the rear bumper. I wasn't sure if it came like that so I made a thorough walk around this time (but not a roll under unfortunately.) I would have rejected it had I seen the rust first.

I have a dealer 6 miles from my house that sounds like they'll work with me. I'll see on Thursday.
Yes one of those 6speed is the one that my brother test drove. If I remember well it had 50ish miles in the odometer. I would assume they detailed the car pretty good because the paint was rough since it was just sitting there for almost a year, keep an eye on those tires the spare looked pretty dryed up with some cracks. At least the battery is new as it not the factory one, I wouldn't wait till 3k to change the oil as it has been sitting there for a while.

The rust issue is fixable, just do a proper rust patrol on the frame and re paint once you get rid of it. My only concern will be the one that you don't see like inside the frame or the upper part close to the body. Maybe with a small mirror you can try to spot any rust in those areas.
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Yes one of those 6speed is the one that my brother test drove. If I remember well it had 50ish miles in the odometer. I would assume they detailed the car pretty good because the paint was rough since it was just sitting there for almost a year, keep an eye on those tires the spare looked pretty dryed up with some cracks. At least the battery is new as it not the factory one, I wouldn't wait till 3k to change the oil as it has been sitting there for a while.

The rust issue is fixable, just do a proper rust patrol on the frame and re paint once you get rid of it. My only concern will be the one that you don't see like inside the frame or the upper part close to the body. Maybe with a small mirror you can try to spot any rust in those areas.
Great information, thank you! The one your brother drove is not mine; mine had exactly 30 on the odo. Good point about the oil. I checked it today, it looked good, smelled good. Just ordered the Fumoto so I think this week I may change the oil. The tires look pretty good on mine, I'll double check tomorrow. More on the frame rust in a minute...
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Spoke with the salesman today. He said the frame is covered for rust under a 10 year warranty. He said take it to the local dealer and they should remove the rust and if it's bad enough, replace stuff as necessary.

I have a loose appointment to call the local dealer on Thursday to find a time to get it in. I hope they are receptive to my plight and get it done. Or else I'll have to buy another Jeep!
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Just adding some additional pictures for thoughts. I sent all these pictures to Chrysler and they said it's normal. This is my third new JKU since 2016. Neither of the other 2 had ANY type of corrosion underneath.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:32 AM
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So I took it to the local dealer. The girl behind the reception counter comes out with her cell phone and lays down next to the Jeep and says she's never seen anything like this before. She takes a single photo with her cell phone and tells me to submit a claim. We go back inside and then I email her the 5 or 6 photos I took. She calls all the people working in the office to come look at the photos and they're all amazed.

A couple of days later I get a call from Chrysler to say they have a claim number and they're looking into it. Feel free to send us more pictures. So I do but they mysteriously never get them. Apparently, according to the email I get back several days later when I'm enquiring whether they got the photos, is they only accept photos in pdf format (more like wtf format), and "don't send too many at once". Well what the hell constitutes too many?

Then I get another call stating that based on the photo submitted by the dealership (just one photo, remember?), they are denying the claim.

This is simply not right. They haven't even bothered to inspect the vehicle properly and denying any claim, citing normal corrosion levels for an 18 month old vehicle.

I have a PM going to Jeep Cares to see if there's any interest on their part.

So would anyone like to chime in on this? I don't really need to hear it's normal because it is not. Once FCA denies a claim, what's the next level of arbitration? Bought in Texas, does the lemon law cover it? I don't want to start paying for lawyers. And I don't have the time to take off work. Should I go to town on social media? I know there's an abundance of bad social media for every manufacturer out there, but does it really achieve anything?

Thoughts appreciated.
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I wouldn't even waste my time with FCA, started sanding and painting right away , even painted the bolts in silver. It looks like new now.
Aluminum parts I just cleaned with a rug and motor oil.
Its definitely not normal, and at 40-50K tag the frame should be zinc plated, or at list painted like a class 8 truck frame.
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one of the best places where you would get Jeep's attention will be this forum. I know they monitor this forum.

Now as for recommendations, check the Houston area Jeep Chapters groups and post it there with the pics, maybe you'll get someones attention that can help you out with your case, plenty of guys and gals there love to wrench or can point you in the right direction with someone that can help you out to fix it. I does not look complicated, lets just hope that it is surface rust a nothing on the inside of the frame.
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