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Old 06-17-2019, 04:57 PM   #31
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It will be as common as the microwave oven is now before you know it. My friend's Dad was the first guy on the block to get cablevision. All the other parents refused to pay for tv. Crazy they said.

I wonder if the horse guy argued with the Model T guy? "Hey, I don't have to change the oil on my horse and I grow his fuel in my back yard!"

Well we got that out of the way.. Teslas aren't fiscally smart.. A prius isn't a popular choice. I wont pay for cable and Manilaboy is never driving my Jeep...


Anyone have a solution for mopar jounces being white? No plastic dip solutions

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Old 06-17-2019, 05:19 PM   #32
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if there are Tesla issues or you forget to recharge or get stuck in SoCal traffic and running low on juice the JKU could prove its worth as your backup/weekend crawler rig.
Don't they have portable electricity? you can send a message to Tesla and they will come "fill up your Tesla" for free?

The cost on the new Model 3 is in line with a high end economy car these days. Just don't ever turn on the auto pilot!

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Well we got that out of the way.. Teslas aren't fiscally smart.. A prius isn't a popular choice. I wont pay for cable and Manilaboy is never driving my Jeep...


Anyone have a solution for mopar jounces being white? No plastic dip solutions

not sure why your mentioning me. haha.. im Pro motorcycle for socal commuting.
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soon as i get on the freeway, head for the carpool.. dont have to worry about my left side... and lane split when all the cars at a dead stop..[/QUOTE]


LOL! Just jokes, because Seems you like to rip up the solid line instead of staying in between them... If I didn't read that wrong.
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This is a pretty interesting video I saw a while back about electric cars and their actual “benefits”...or lack thereof.... Personally, I still wouldn’t mind having one, as I think it’s a step in the right direction, but it is interesting that they’re seeming far less “green” than perceived.

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Electric cars get the win for virtue signaling. They would do better in their lifetime emissions if we had a far greater amount of nuclear power. But, ironically the same people that drive electric cars don’t support nuclear. Odd?
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Sounds like a win win to me. Eva are not as environmentally friendly as you think. Check out what a lithium mine looks like. Doesn't look all that friendly.
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Strongly encourage anyone who wants to learn about EVs to research them - so much misinformation in this thread -- probably about the same amount as you'd get reading about Jeeps on a Tesla forum.
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Sad day

Also, those marketing them, including politicians and I would really say mainly politicians pushing this product, overplayed the environmental friendliness feature far beyond the credible truth. The truth is probably somewhere in between the 2 opposing views.
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soon as i get on the freeway, head for the carpool.. dont have to worry about my left side... and lane split when all the cars at a dead stop..

LOL! Just jokes, because Seems you like to rip up the solid line instead of staying in between them... If I didn't read that wrong.[/QUOTE]




that is what I do when I ride my motorcycle.. haha
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I wonder if the horse guy argued with the Model T guy? "Hey, I don't have to change the oil on my horse and I grow his fuel in my back yard!"

But the "exhaust" from the horse hangs around longer.
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Also, those marketing them, including politicians and I would really say mainly politicians pushing this product, overplayed the environmental friendliness feature far beyond the credible truth. The truth is probably somewhere in between the 2 opposing views.

All true. There are emissions benefits from the vehicle, and downsides to the production process.

I think there are also a bunch of assumptions people make about the motivations for buying an EV. Personally I am not buying for cost or enviro issues, but for driving experience and minimizing the drama of a commute. I am not a Social Justice Warrior or tree hugger, I’m more of a hedonist....:-)

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I wonder if the horse guy argued with the Model T guy? "Hey, I don't have to change the oil on my horse and I grow his fuel in my back yard!"

But the "exhaust" from the horse hangs around longer.[IMG
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They really need to design a catalytic converter for them horses. The stench is unbearable.
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I heard a used one can be had for pretty cheap, compared to a new only because the batteries have to be replaced at certain intervals and thats a 20k price tag, but that may just be hearsay, I haven't looked into it myself.

Actually the exact opposite. Even completely totaled Teslas can cost 15-20K because it's extremely hard to get replacement parts from Tesla (particularly electrical parts) and because the batteries themselves cost so much. Joe Rogan had a guy on a few weeks ago who bought a used Tesla for 15K and rebuilt it himself. It was really interesting.
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There are companies that refurbish the hybrid batteries for Toyota and various other hybrid vehicles, and it's wayyy cheaper than a brand new OEM battery pack, while still offering a warranty (usually 5 year.)

If no one is doing that for Teslas yet, I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

I don't really like Teslas but I do like when people are excited about the vehicle they drive, and getting a new vehicle is always a fun time so congrats @maddog2020 I'm sure the calm, quiet, smooth commute is a nice change haha.
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Actually the exact opposite. Even completely totaled Teslas can cost 15-20K because it's extremely hard to get replacement parts from Tesla (particularly electrical parts) and because the batteries themselves cost so much. Joe Rogan had a guy on a few weeks ago who bought a used Tesla for 15K and rebuilt it himself. It was really interesting.
The gentleman's name is Rich Benoit. He has a YouTube channel named Rich Rebuilds. Rich has a good sense of humor, I love watching his videos. Rich also provides used Tesla parts.

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Old 06-18-2019, 04:52 PM   #47
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my daily commute is 22 miles round trip. So happy
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my daily commute is 22 miles round trip. So happy

There are parts of LA where that 11 miles to work could take you an hour....

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There are parts of LA where that 11 miles to work could take you an hour....

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this where the motorcycle comes in...


its been misty lately.. cant wait for june gloom to be gone..
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this where the motorcycle comes in...


its been misty lately.. cant wait for june gloom to be gone..
I am always a bit jealous watching motorbikes slice through traffic, then I realize that my ADHD would kill me really quickly on a motorbike in heavy traffic and the jealousy abates..:-)
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As the technology improves, EVs will make more sense (and come down in price). I looked at a Tesla model X when they first came out but the sales guys couldn't figure out how deep it could ford a river. Water/snow and electricity don't mix well, so I'll stick to gasoline or biodiesel for now.
Oh, and my jeep's an improvement on mpg. My X gets ~11 mpg in town and requires premium for the supercharger setup, the Jeep gets ~14 (almost 15 sometimes) and uses regular.
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My daily commute is 14 miles round trip, my gas guzzling Hemi gets around 13mpg on a good day, IF I stay out off it, but it sure feels great "rumbling" down the road. Toxic masculinity at its best! lol
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I don't have much experience with EV's, but was in San Fran this past week and there were a shit ton of hybrids to say the least. One Lyft we took was a Prius and when it was going up one of the streets (Jones I believe @ 30% grade), the battery overheated and we were stuck. No forward progress could be made at that point. Had to back it up into an empty parking spot and wait for a bit then try another route.
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I don't have much experience with EV's, but was in San Fran this past week and there were a shit ton of hybrids to say the least. One Lyft we took was a Prius and when it was going up one of the streets (Jones I believe @ 30% grade), the battery overheated and we were stuck. No forward progress could be made at that point. Had to back it up into an empty parking spot and wait for a bit then try another route.
"there were a shit ton" of feces on the streets too, I bet? lol
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"there were a shit ton" of feces on the streets too, I bet? lol

A by-product of the pseudo-intellectual ruling class in Sacramento.
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"there were a shit ton" of feces on the streets too, I bet? lol
Ha. It wasn't near as bad as people say. At least not the week I was there. We did a lot of walking too.
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All true. There are emissions benefits from the vehicle, and downsides to the production process.

I think there are also a bunch of assumptions people make about the motivations for buying an EV. Personally I am not buying for cost or enviro issues, but for driving experience and minimizing the drama of a commute. I am not a Social Justice Warrior or tree hugger, I’m more of a hedonist....:-)

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Whew! I was worried there for a minute! Hedonism I can understand and get behind. That whole SJW crap is screwed up. Nothing wrong with a man that earns his way and spends his money on the toys he likes.
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I don't blame you for getting an alternate to a manual transmission, lifted, soft top Wrangler as a daily driver in a long commute. I ended up doing the same thing myself.

I needed a car with longer range than the Tesla for a variety of reasons. I ended up with a Subaru Crosstrek, which was fantastic in the snow this last winter. It has lots more cargo room than you'd think. And it's good for a 1,600 mile road trip.

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