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Old 06-16-2019, 11:32 PM
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Sad day

I just started a new job and now have to commute 30 miles each way in LA traffic. I'm not willing to do that drive in my soft-top, lifted, manual transmission, 12mpg Jeep. So today I bit the bullet and bought a Tesla Model 3. I'm really hoping I can avoid selling the Jeep. Right now I'm relying on my 19 yr old daughter who loves the Jeep to keep my dream alive by using it as her daily driver, but I'm worried that soon she'll not be willing to keep filling it with gas. I love my Jeep, but I also like my sanity.

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Congrats on entry into the EV world. Tesla is one of the top leaders in electric technology so I'm intrigued but staying on the sidelines for now. Reliable long range is a priority for me. Like a smart phone, if there are Tesla issues or you forget to recharge or get stuck in SoCal traffic and running low on juice the JKU could prove its worth as your backup/weekend crawler rig.

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Solid choice. I joined the PHEV club with a Honda Clarity this month as a new daily. The cost of gas savings will pay for itself, not to mention less maintenance costs and less time wrenching on the Jeep due to commuting miles.

I’ve been driving to downtown LA with my manual JKU on 37s for the past year. I too average 12-14mpg. Granted it’s usually not during rush hour, it still can get annoying because there’s always going to be traffic any hour of the day. To me, the biggest advantage to commuting with the Jeep is that no one pulls stupid moves with me in traffic nor do I ever have to worry about door dings.
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What's the sad part? You bought a Tesla and you still have the Jeep. Sounds like a happy day to me.
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It'll be a long time before EV technology makes sense for me. I do a lot of long distance driving and I need to be able to pull over and refuel in a couple of minutes and be on my way. I can't afford two cars with one being only for local driving.
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I hear ya Ian.. I stayed with conventional thinking, a Ford Fiesta. 35 miles to the gallon. You can get a 1-2 year old one for 10k and still rock out with the weekend warrior. I appreciate getting on the Musk train, he is one of only 9 that I follow on Twitter(not because of Tesla). I tell myself, when the mortgage is completely paid (hopefully soon) I'll stretch for either a Tesla or Etron. Did you get the auto pilot safety features? That would be the only way I would consider a Tesla. I would never use auto pilot for anything, but for safety assistance. My other half has the Eyesight technology and though at first I was weary, when it did it's job just once it became an instant family friend.
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Couldn’t you have bought more affordable transportation if you really cared about keeping the Jeep? I could never jump on the Tesla bandwagon. Most people buy them because it’s the trendy thing to do.
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Couldnt you have bought more affordable transportation is you really cared about keeping the Jeep? I could never jump on the Tesla bandwagon. Most people buy them because its the trendy thing to do.
Could have bought 2 Prius and another jeep!!!
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My commute is 30 miles one way as well in socal.. HB to RSM.. the AM isnt bad.. but the drive home sucks..



soon as I break in the 4.56s I am going to get back on the ducati for work commute..



I fell off my dirtbike in big bear and suffered a grade III AC separation, so Im a little gun shy right now..



keep the jeep tho..
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I purchased my primary home in Moreno Valley last year and rented out my condo to family friends. My commute before the move was about 15 miles all freeway against traffic on a daily basis.

My commute from MoVal is 51 miles one way so i bought a used Prius.

This week is my last week at my current job as i found a new job 2.7 miles from home. I'll be starting next Tuesday. I can finally drive my jk on a daily basis again.
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I would love a Tesla but in Montana they make no sense. Like Flyfisher I need a vehicle I can drive 1000 miles in a day in and quick fill ups.
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My younger brother just bought an EV, not a Tesla (he doesn't have that kind of money) but a Chevy Bolt. It sounds like a pretty good deal, and it has a range of over 200 miles. That is getting to the point I could even drive it (typical commute for us is 90 miles each way). I prefer the more traditional options, like the Bolt and the Volt. The Tesla models are to techy for my tastes. But to each their own.
I do think the big break through for EVs will be in figuring out how to recharge them in about the time it takes to fill up with gas. My brothers Bolt got a fast charge while we ate dinner (45 minutes and it was around 80% charged, more then enough to get him home). So they are getting there.
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That sux dude! Keep a bag of marshmallows in the Tesla though, they seem to turn into bon fires. lol, good luck.
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That sux dude! Keep a bag of marshmallows in the Tesla though, they seem to turn into bon fires. lol, good luck.
I heard a used one can be had for pretty cheap, compared to a new only because the batteries have to be replaced at certain intervals and thats a 20k price tag, but that may just be hearsay, I haven't looked into it myself.
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My younger brother just bought an EV, not a Tesla (he doesn't have that kind of money) but a Chevy Bolt. It sounds like a pretty good deal, and it has a range of over 200 miles. That is getting to the point I could even drive it (typical commute for us is 90 miles each way). I prefer the more traditional options, like the Bolt and the Volt. The Tesla models are to techy for my tastes. But to each their own.
I do think the big break through for EVs will be in figuring out how to recharge them in about the time it takes to fill up with gas. My brothers Bolt got a fast charge while we ate dinner (45 minutes and it was around 80% charged, more then enough to get him home). So they are getting there.

The bolt is not much less than a model 3. Totally agree on charging etc. The big difference in terms of infrastructure need vs gas cars is that even though it takes 5-10 times as long to charge an EV (on a high-speed charger) vs filling a gas tank, most charges will be done at home overnight (something you cant really do with gasoline). So while it seems that well need a lot more charging stations than gas stations to handle the number of vehicles well have to charge, the home charging things changes the game - at least for commute driver, clearly not for long trips.

Also no doubt that EV is more practical in California right now because we have a pretty well built out charging infrastructure.

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Please give a better reason than 12mpg. At $4 per gallon, that's over 100000 miles worth of gas at 12 mpg.
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I heard a used one can be had for pretty cheap, compared to a new only because the batteries have to be replaced at certain intervals and thats a 20k price tag, but that may just be hearsay, I haven't looked into it myself.
I believe that's about right, they don't get a lot of love here in Georgia, well with them bursting into flames and all like that. lol
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I heard a used one can be had for pretty cheap, compared to a new only because the batteries have to be replaced at certain intervals and thats a 20k price tag, but that may just be hearsay, I haven't looked into it myself.
$5k-$7k for battery module replacement according to Elon Musk. He claims they will last for 1500 cycles, which he estimates to be between 300k-500k miles. I'm not saying I believe that, but that's what Musk is on record as stating.

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Nice choice in a 2nd vehicle, however at 12mpg and your commute that would be many years of $$ for gas to add up to a Tesla. I was in SoCal last week for work and certainly a ton of Tesla's out there along with RTT's and just modified vehicles in general.
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Where I live utility company power is generated mostly by coal fired stations so EV's are really dirty coal burners.
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The bolt is not much less than a model 3. Totally agree on charging etc. The big difference in terms of infrastructure need vs gas cars is that even though it takes 5-10 times as long to charge an EV (on a high-speed charger) vs filling a gas tank, most charges will be done at home overnight (something you cant really do with gasoline). So while it seems that well need a lot more charging stations than gas stations to handle the number of vehicles well have to charge, the home charging things changes the game - at least for commute driver, clearly not for long trips.

Also no doubt that EV is more practical in California right now because we have a pretty well built out charging infrastructure.

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The list price on the Bolt is near 40 grand, but after all the discounts Chevy offers the actual price was under 30 grand. I don't think you will have the same experience with a Tesla. Don't get me wrong, the Tesla stuff is cool. But it is way more expensive than a Chevy. Even the Volt is cheaper after the discounts Chevy will give you.
As to charging, sure, many commuters will have no issues with things the way they are. As long as they can either afford it as a second car or if they really don't do any long trips. My brother only commutes about 10 miles each way, so an electric car really works well for him. He doesn't do long trips very often, and for the very few times he does he can always rent a car if required. But as they build up the charging infrastructure, and improve charge times, even that won't be an issue.
We have a much longer commute than he does, and while we could commute in an electric car we could not have an electric car as our only car the way things currently are. We like to drive long distances on a regular basis, and until they can get the recharge rate to where it is at least close to a gasoline powered car we could not do our trips in an electric car. But I am sure the day is coming where that won't be an issue.
Congrats on the Tesla, they are pretty cool.
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[QUOTE=RhinoSportJKU;34383293]I'm not saying I believe that, but that's what Musk is on record as stating.

....well...that pretty much guarantees it's not true!...Musk and the truth are not known to be close associates...
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For what it is worth I do about 30 miles each way in Boston traffic. Used to have a VW TDI Sportwagen which got 25-40mpg during my commute. I now have a 2015 JKUR and honestly I wouldn't trade it for anything else. My commute doesn't get above 50mph which is perfect driving in the JKUR even with a manual transmission
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Please give a better reason than 12mpg. At $4 per gallon, that's over 100000 miles worth of gas at 12 mpg.
He wont be able to. There are several wars on Twitter with guys attempting to justify their Tesla purchase. They come at it from many different and oftentimes, clever angles. Bottom line is always the same. When you use "cost of ownership" to validate your purchasing decision you lose the argument easily. When you say, " I just love the car and its really fast and cool so I bought me one," you win the argument everytime. That will shut any nasayer down immediately.
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My buddy at work has an electric car... and we went over numbers compared to what I pay in gas when I ride the moto into work.. its roughly the same... ive probably done 30K + miles on my motorcyle commuting... a motorcycle would be alot cheaper than a tesla and the elec bill to gas for the moto would be about the same per month..



and riding in moto in socal isnt as bad as you think... soon as i get on the freeway, head for the carpool.. dont have to worry about my left side... and lane split when all the cars at a dead stop..
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Please give a better reason than 12mpg. At $4 per gallon, that's over 100000 miles worth of gas at 12 mpg.

Nice piece of selective reading. I said, soft-top, lifted, manual, 12mpg, so the bigger factors are comfort. Not that I need to justify anything to anyone - except myself of course, and Im still working on that...:-)

If youre curious though, operating cost was a pretty small factor, and really only relevant in the context of justifying spending $50k on a car. If I were being fiscally sensible I would have bought a 10 year old Prius. The Tesla is a lot of fun to drive, it is seriously quick, handles very well, and is fun overall. The biggest factor though is autonomous driving. Even with the base level auto-pilot it makes heavy traffic much less unpleasant.


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In another video they talked to an owner of a Model 3 who lost a lug nut. It took him a month to get a replacement from Tesla.

They really need to work on their parts distribution. Excessive delay in parts for a vehicle still in production will definitely dampen enthusiasm for a great vehicle.
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They really need to work on their parts distribution. Excessive delay in parts for a vehicle still in production will definitely dampen enthusiasm for a great vehicle.
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Please give a better reason than 12mpg. At $4 per gallon, that's over 100000 miles worth of gas at 12 mpg.

Nice piece of selective reading. I said, soft-top, lifted, manual, 12mpg, so the bigger factors are comfort. Not that I need to justify anything to anyone - except myself of course, and Im still working on that...:-)

If youre curious though, operating cost was a pretty small factor, and really only relevant in the context of justifying spending $50k on a car. If I were being fiscally sensible I would have bought a 10 year old Prius. The Tesla is a lot of fun to drive, it is seriously quick, handles very well, and is fun overall. The biggest factor though is autonomous driving. Even with the base level auto-pilot it makes heavy traffic much less unpleasant.


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It will be as common as the microwave oven is now before you know it. My friend's Dad was the first guy on the block to get cablevision. All the other parents refused to pay for tv. Crazy they said.

I wonder if the horse guy argued with the Model T guy? "Hey, I don't have to change the oil on my horse and I grow his fuel in my back yard!"

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