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Old 08-22-2019, 01:48 AM
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School me on fender flares

Hi guys, contemplating getting some aftermarket fender flares for my 18 JK. I haven't decided on the specific flares yet but I prefer the flat short ones. That part I am not confused about though; what I am confused about is this whole fender liner thing.

I understand when I remove stock fenders, I will have to also remove the stock fender liner - which leaves the internals around the tires all exposed to the elements correct?

So installing the aftermarket fenders means that the internals will be all exposed to the elements correct and in general not look very clean/sophisticated? So, I'd like to have that part covered/hidden as OEM as possible.

What are my options to make that happen? Browsing online I am coming across items labeled 'fender liners' but they appear to be heavy metal material and not rubber/bendy. Is that a thing too?

Basically yea please tell me whatever I need to know to undertake this venture. Oh and I am trying to be big on DIY's with my Jeep so likely will only do it if it's DIY'able. Instructional videos will help.

Thanks very much in advance.

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You definitely want to run fender liners. Aside from keeping gunk out of the engine bay, there is a large wiring harness on passenger side you need to protect- it is directly in line where a tire could catch it, and if that harness goes, your Jeep is DOA waiting on a tow truck.

Yes the aftermarket are aluminum or steel or whatever metal. More durable than plastic.

With some fenders you may be able to just trim the factory plastic liners and reuse. Would all depend.
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After extensive research I went with the Nemesis Odyssey flares with the liners (aluminum). Very happy with the outcome.
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After extensive research I went with the Nemesis Odyssey flares with the liners (aluminum). Very happy with the outcome.
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After extensive research I went with the Nemesis Odyssey flares with the liners (aluminum). Very happy with the outcome.
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Hopefully you can see the fender liner. Best pic I got of it at the moment. Ace Engineering along with PS fenders
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What is typically done for the rear? There aren't too many rear liners for sale, not like for the front. Seems like people do nothing or maybe paint the area black?
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3M 3584 rubberized undercoating is what I did on the rear. Itís quite a big undertaking because I had to mask off all the areas on the body, took some time to finish that job up.
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I trimmed my OEM plastic liners and used them with my EAutogrille flares.




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I have Poison Spyder steel flares.

In front, I trimmed my OEM liners.




in the rear I just sprayed some wheel well rubber coating, no liner.




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I'd like to get high clearance fenders to clear my 35's but I think I have an impossible set of criteria . (1) I don't want to drill and rivnut (too permanent) (2) Want them as wide as factory flares so I dont throw rocks and mud (3) don't want steel - too heavy and (3) Dont' want to spend $2,000 for a full set with liners...

I think I may end up going the route of trimming the factory flares and making "fake" tube fenders with bent & painted PVC pipe...
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I'd like to get high clearance fenders to clear my 35's but I think I have an impossible set of criteria . (1) I don't want to drill and rivnut (too permanent) (2) Want them as wide as factory flares so I dont throw rocks and mud (3) don't want steel - too heavy and (3) Dont' want to spend $2,000 for a full set with liners...

I think I may end up going the route of trimming the factory flares and making "fake" tube fenders with bent & painted PVC pipe...
Check out bushwacker plastic flares. I think they meet your criteria. Mine were about 500 shipped. Install takes a while (at least for me) but I love the finished product
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Thanks for the comments so far. Although I still not quite clear as to what I need exactly and what the install would entail.

Does any fender liner work with an aftermarket fender flare? Or are they brand/model specific? I saw some fender flares that I liked the look of for under $200 on eBay but I am not sure what sort of liner I can have with them or if I'd be able to modify my stock fender liners. I am not a very good DIY person so I doubt it....
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Check out bushwacker plastic flares. I think they meet your criteria. Mine were about 500 shipped. Install takes a while (at least for me) but I love the finished product
Ha! I literally have the JKU version of your car. Black Rubicon Recon with Bushwacker flats and 35s on stock wheels. Like you said the Bushwackers will require zero drilling or rivnuts,and retain factory width coverage while providing over 2 inches of additional tire clearance. They are plastic too, and therefore very light, and you have no concerns with corrosion.

I should mention that on the set I installed a few months ago, the plastic brackets used to mount the flares were poorly molded with lots of flash, and made the install take a long time due to the addition trimming/cutting/cleanup that was necessary. It came out nice in the end, and I was happy that it worked so well with the trimmed stock fender liners front and rear, so no additional cost there (just lots of time to carefully mark and trim the inner liners to fit).
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Thanks for the comments so far. Although I still not quite clear as to what I need exactly and what the install would entail.

Does any fender liner work with an aftermarket fender flare? Or are they brand/model specific? I saw some fender flares that I liked the look of for under $200 on eBay but I am not sure what sort of liner I can have with them or if I'd be able to modify my stock fender liners. I am not a very good DIY person so I doubt it....

The install really goes by what fender flare you go with. like the PS ones have a couple of brackets per fender that bolt in before you put the fender so they can take a hard hit. The Bushwacker fenders have plastic pieces then you slide the fender over the plastic pieces then bolt down to them.



Like with anything you get what you pay for. the eBay fenders usually require more trimming or finessing to fit correctly. Usually most aftermarket fender liners will work with any fender, you may just have to play with the fitment of that liner as well.
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Ha! I literally have the JKU version of your car. Black Rubicon Recon with Bushwacker flats and 35s on stock wheels. Like you said the Bushwackers will require zero drilling or rivnuts,and retain factory width coverage while providing over 2 inches of additional tire clearance. They are plastic too, and therefore very light, and you have no concerns with corrosion.

I should mention that on the set I installed a few months ago, the plastic brackets used to mount the flares were poorly molded with lots of flash, and made the install take a long time due to the addition trimming/cutting/cleanup that was necessary. It came out nice in the end, and I was happy that it worked so well with the trimmed stock fender liners front and rear, so no additional cost there (just lots of time to carefully mark and trim the inner liners to fit).
So funny. You make several good points. I had to trim a bunch of little stuff with a box cutter. And I snapped one of the bolts with my own strength which isnít that much. But for the money still a great value. Oh and I trimmed the front liner and reused. But for the rear, I just threw away the liner. I may eventually try some spray liner but with a black Jeep it turned out fine. I love the finished look.
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I'd like to get high clearance fenders to clear my 35's but I think I have an impossible set of criteria . (1) I don't want to drill and rivnut (too permanent) (2) Want them as wide as factory flares so I dont throw rocks and mud (3) don't want steel - too heavy and (3) Dont' want to spend $2,000 for a full set with liners...

I think I may end up going the route of trimming the factory flares and making "fake" tube fenders with bent & painted PVC pipe...
If you have a JK (not a JKU) they still make the Mopar High top fenders. They look a lot like the stock fenders, have enough clearance to clear 35's without extra bump stop (or 37's with an inch of extra bump stop), and other than cutting the factory inner fender liner they mount to the stock mounting holes using the same basic fasteners.
They are also wider than the stock fenders by a little.
I believe they are made by Bushwacker, but there is not a Bushwacker version of them. They stopped making the ones for the JKU, and the rear High Top fenders for the JKU are different than the ones for the JK.
I don't know if there are any old stock sets out there for the JKU.
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If you have a JK (not a JKU) they still make the Mopar High top fenders. They look a lot like the stock fenders, have enough clearance to clear 35's without extra bump stop (or 37's with an inch of extra bump stop), and other than cutting the factory inner fender liner they mount to the stock mounting holes using the same basic fasteners.
They are also wider than the stock fenders by a little.
I believe they are made by Bushwacker, but there is not a Bushwacker version of them. They stopped making the ones for the JKU, and the rear High Top fenders for the JKU are different than the ones for the JK.
I don't know if there are any old stock sets out there for the JKU.
Thanks! I have a JKU, so sounds like they won't work but I can look on eBay. Thanks again.
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Check out OEDRO fender flares.
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Check out OEDRO fender flares.
They can keep the original inner fender liners.

Wow this options seems good. The price is aggressive too and I like the look. Are you saying that I can use the stock liners for both front and back with this kit as is without any trimming etc? Any videos of install showing how the fender liners work with these flares?

If so, what's the best way to order these - straight through your website or messaging you on here for the 'forum deal'? I am located in Canada if that matters. Thanks.
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Are Ace Engineering and Fishbone Offroad affiliated? To me their inner fenders look pretty similar.
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Wow this options seems good. The price is aggressive too and I like the look. Are you saying that I can use the stock liners for both front and back with this kit as is without any trimming etc? Any videos of install showing how the fender liners work with these flares?

If so, what's the best way to order these - straight through your website or messaging you on here for the 'forum deal'? I am located in Canada if that matters. Thanks.
Yes, you can use the stock liners for both front and back with this kit as is without any trimming.
Sorry we don't have the video showing how the fender liners work with these flares, only intall video.
The best way to order these is to place the order on our website, but I have to say sorry to you because we don't ship to Canada.
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Yes, you can use the stock liners for both front and back with this kit as is without any trimming.
Sorry we don't have the video showing how the fender liners work with these flares, only intall video.
https://youtu.be/rKMhIdpdXKM
The best way to order these is to place the order on our website, but I have to say sorry to you because we don't ship to Canada.
OMG don't say that please! lol. I almost placed an order yesterday but last minute noticed shipping said 0 so stopped to wait for your response. Are you able to make an exception please? Please PM me if we can work something out. Thanks.
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Yes, you can use the stock liners for both front and back with this kit as is without any trimming.
Sorry we don't have the video showing how the fender liners work with these flares, only intall video.
https://youtu.be/rKMhIdpdXKM
The best way to order these is to place the order on our website, but I have to say sorry to you because we don't ship to Canada.
Um, that's definitely not true. You will absolutely have to trim the stock liners. Front and rear, to fit these or any aftermarket flares. They are integrated with the stock fenders and stick out almost as much as the flare. You'll also have to "figure out" a method to attach the stock flares to the outer edge of the sheetmetal, as there is nothing to attach it to.

The kit looks like it includes rivnuts, so I suppose that some drilling will be required, and possibly a rivnut setting tool?
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Mopar High fenders on my 18 JKR with 35's. Trimmed the stock liners.

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Here's a thought, if you ever bash them, how easy is it to order a replacement. I might be finding out soon enough if I can't push this out myself.
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Um, that's definitely not true. You will absolutely have to trim the stock liners. Front and rear, to fit these or any aftermarket flares. They are integrated with the stock fenders and stick out almost as much as the flare. You'll also have to "figure out" a method to attach the stock flares to the outer edge of the sheetmetal, as there is nothing to attach it to.

The kit looks like it includes rivnuts, so I suppose that some drilling will be required, and possibly a rivnut setting tool?
Glad you posted this. I looked at the pictures of those tiny little fares and thought to myself, How the heck could those possibly allow for uncut factory liners?

For what itís worth, I thought my bushwacker installation was challenging because Iím not handy at all, but the trimming of the front liners was not difficult at all.
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Um, that's definitely not true. You will absolutely have to trim the stock liners. Front and rear, to fit these or any aftermarket flares. They are integrated with the stock fenders and stick out almost as much as the flare. You'll also have to "figure out" a method to attach the stock flares to the outer edge of the sheetmetal, as there is nothing to attach it to.

The kit looks like it includes rivnuts, so I suppose that some drilling will be required, and possibly a rivnut setting tool?
Yes, just need insert rivet kits to finish the job.

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