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Old 11-20-2019, 05:02 PM
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Soft top installation screws

I bought a Soft Top on Craigslist that was on a 2017 Sahara JKU. I have a 2018 Sport JKU. It did not come with the screws for attaching the soft top to the roll bar.
Does anyone know the screws size / part number that I need to purchase to install the soft top and attach to the rollbar? I purchased these, but I can't tell if they are correct. They look small to me.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Old 11-20-2019, 05:33 PM   #2
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I don't have a soft top, but hopefully you can find what you need here, or reach out to Quadratec directly.

https://www.quadratec.com/parts/jeep...e-parts-4-door

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Yeah... That is the picture that I originally used. But now I feel like I am missing something.

That is why I am hoping someone can tell me if it is right before I remove the hard top.

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I can go get a pic of mine if your wanting a reference.

these are them on amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Soft-Bracket-...1533PKGJS9EK0A
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In the linked pic from Qudratec, you need to make sure you have items 21 and 22 already bolted to the soft top frame. If you do, you need four of item 23 to attach the top to your roll bar. Item 21 and 22 should be attached to the frame with two bolts each in the area of the spring mechanism.

If you aren’t sure, snap a pic of the spring mechanism area (elliptical plastic housing) and I can tell you if you have everything there that you need.


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In the linked pic from Qudratec, you need to make sure you have items 21 and 22 already bolted to the soft top frame. If you do, you need four of item 23 to attach the top to your roll bar. Item 21 and 22 should be attached to the frame with two bolts each in the area of the spring mechanism.

If you aren’t sure, snap a pic of the spring mechanism area (elliptical plastic housing) and I can tell you if you have everything there that you need.


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I'm not sure that # 23 is the correct screw to attach the physical soft top assembly to the roll bar. # 20 attaches to the actual roll bar
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Yeah.... I have items 21 and 22 already bolted to the frame. I don't have #20, So the question is... Is it #20 or #23 that I need to bolt it to the frame?

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I am also wondering if I drive it over to the Parts department of the Jeep dealership, if they could tell me (and sell me) what I need...
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Items 21 and 22 are the clips to hold the ends of the top bows. The clips (#21 and #22) fasten to the sport bars with screws labeled #20. The ends of the bow then attach to the clips with screw #23 which is a shouldered machine screw.
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My apologies. 20 is the correct screw for attachment to the roll bar.

Just an FYI, I used to unbolt the brackets (21 and 22) from the roll bar when I removed my soft top; however I have found it is much easier to remove the frame from those brackets due to the spring mechanism. So I would suggest unbolting the brackets from the frame, install the brackets onto the roll bar, and then install the frame onto the brackets. There are metal tabs on the frame that allow you to hang it in place on the brackets while you bolt the frame to the brackets.


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Thanks everyone! Going to the jeep dealership this morning to pick them up
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Unless you are in a real hurry, the dealer price is going to be $6.85 each (if they have them in stock). Amazon is a little cheaper, but still $4.25 each ($16.99 for the pack of 4). My listing says order within hours and they will be delivered Saturday (by USPS).

Another thing, you will need to unzip the sport bar cover and attach the clips. Then carefully cut slits in the cover to allow the ears to stick out. There should be small punched holes in the sport bar where the screws go to attach the clips.

One other point, before you remove both clips from the top bows, mark one of the bows with a piece of tape so you know quickly which bow is #4 (bottom) and which bow is #3 (upper) so you don't have to spend time figuring that out.

The seller on CL actually did you a favor by providing the clips. Most sellers just remove the frame and leave the clips on their sport bar, not bothering to take the effort to remove them. When I removed my OEM top to go to the TrektopNX on my TJ, I left my clips in place in case I ever wanted (unlikely) to go back to a traditional frame top. (My frame was bad and went in the trash).
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Thanks. The seller did not include the brackets. I bought them online as well. I reached out to Quadratec and they told me these are the correct ones. The jeep dealership looked at me like they had no idea what I was talking about and were complete not helpful. Once they figured it out, they told me that they would have to order them.

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Hey Guys, Just wanted to let everyone know that NEITHER screw is the correct one... 20 or 23. I had them come in today from Quadratec and they did not fit. When I reached back out to Quadratec they told me they gave me the wrong information. They don't sell the screws that I need. Right now, I am using self locking cable ties, which seem to work well. Until someone can tell what I need, there is nothing else to do.

Thanks for everyone's input!

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Hey if you figure out the screws you need please let me know. I bought a premium soft top that did not include clips 21 and 22(which are diffrent than the clips used by bestop and the oem sailcloth soft top). I have the screws that will bolt the clip to the jeep roll-bar which Look just like #20s, but i will be needing the screws that screw in the soft top frame to the clip
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I am also wondering if I drive it over to the Parts department of the Jeep dealership, if they could tell me (and sell me) what I need...
Dealer will mark up bolts 200-1000%. It’s insane.

Unless absolutely necessary, always start at an ACE hardware. I’ve got a couple places in Phoenix that have super obscure stuff: uncommon sizes and thread pitches, shoulder bolts, etc. Unless you’re in a really small town, you’ll have a place.

Regardless, an investment in some calipers and a set of SAE and Metric pitch gauges will allow you to order off of Amazon, online hardware house, or at least know what you’re going for when you go local.

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smpross and Criz98 - we are talking about the shouldered machine screw that attaches the slotted end of the roof bows (that nylon part is called a knuckle) to the clips that are already attached to the sport bar, correct? One hole in the knuckle (On the outside on my TJ) is a smooth hole and then no hole on the inside but there is a blind threaded hole opposite the slot. The shoulder screw goes from the outside to the inside and the roof bow then hinges on the shoulder of that screw.

If we are that screw has not changed since the 1997 model year. It is a shouldered machine screw and the OEM part no is 6036311AA. https://www.mymoparparts.com/oem-par...bolt-6036311aa

smpross - could you post the Quadratec part no of the screw they sent you? It would be on the invoice they sent.

Another option would be to replace the knuckles on the ends of the bows with the quick release knuckles. They are available from Bestop and Rugged Ridge. If you go that route, remember the pull knob goes on the inside.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/rugged-r...ited-jk-4-door

https://www.quadratec.com/products/11033_002.htm

They are much easier to use (my Trektop NX from Bestop came with these already on the front frame for the Sunrider feature).

If we are not talking about the screw to attach the knuckle end to the clip, perhaps a photo of where you have the zip ties would help.

I thought I might have those screws from when I took the OEM frame off my TJ and check my stash. But, I now remember that when I sent the top cover, windows, TG bar and clips to a member. The shouldered screws were in the plastic bag with the TG clip screws and they went to him also. (I had no further use for them so did not separate them out).
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smpross and Criz98 - we are talking about the shouldered machine screw that attaches the slotted end of the roof bows (that nylon part is called a knuckle) to the clips that are already attached to the sport bar, correct? One hole in the knuckle (On the outside on my TJ) is a smooth hole and then no hole on the inside but there is a blind threaded hole opposite the slot. The shoulder screw goes from the outside to the inside and the roof bow then hinges on the shoulder of that screw.

If we are that screw has not changed since the 1997 model year. It is a shouldered machine screw and the OEM part no is 6036311AA. https://www.mymoparparts.com/oem-par...bolt-6036311aa

smpross - could you post the Quadratec part no of the screw they sent you? It would be on the invoice they sent.

Another option would be to replace the knuckles on the ends of the bows with the quick release knuckles. They are available from Bestop and Rugged Ridge. If you go that route, remember the pull knob goes on the inside.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/rugged-r...ited-jk-4-door

https://www.quadratec.com/products/11033_002.htm

They are much easier to use (my Trektop NX from Bestop came with these already on the front frame for the Sunrider feature).

If we are not talking about the screw to attach the knuckle end to the clip, perhaps a photo of where you have the zip ties would help.

I thought I might have those screws from when I took the OEM frame off my TJ and check my stash. But, I now remember that when I sent the top cover, windows, TG bar and clips to a member. The shouldered screws were in the plastic bag with the TG clip screws and they went to him also. (I had no further use for them so did not separate them out).
So i will be buying these clips for the mopar premium top(first pic) and need the these screws where i drew the arrows, which i think are the shouldered screws you were talking about. I also have extra hardware from an oem top so i have the clips that works for the bestop (slightly diffrent than the ones used for the premium mopar top) and the easy detachable knuckles, so once i get home i will be seeing if i can put the easy attachable knuckles into the mopar top and see if i can use the bestop clip instead(bestop clip i own in 2nd pic)
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Shoulder screw

Less than $1 at Lowes or any hardware store, and it's stainless. I added a piece of plastic tube to make a "shoulder".
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So i will be buying these clips for the mopar premium top(first pic) and need the these screws where i drew the arrows, which i think are the shouldered screws you were talking about. I also have extra hardware from an oem top so i have the clips that works for the bestop (slightly diffrent than the ones used for the premium mopar top) and the easy detachable knuckles, so once i get home i will be seeing if i can put the easy attachable knuckles into the mopar top and see if i can use the bestop clip instead(bestop clip i own in 2nd pic)
Try this thread....

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f202/t...p-2351999.html
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I thought you had the clips.

If the frame is an OEM, then I would get the OEM clips. It's hard to tell the angles from the photos, but it appears that the OEM clips fasten to the side of the C pillar upright bar but the Bestop clips appear to fasten to the rear surface of that bar. The section of the OEM clip where the bows attach appears to be parallel to the section that attaches to the sport bar. On the other hand, the Bestop clips appear to have a 90 degree bend in that area.

This is a hassle everyone that buys a second hand top goes through. On a Jeep with a dual top option, the Jeep comes from the factory with the clips attached to the sport bar. The rest of the top (except for the frame) is typically in boxes in back of the Jeep.

Even if the seller has taken of the top and gone to another top (ie: Trektop or similar or even a second hand hard top) the clips on the sport bar are often left behind.

My TJ top was in bad shape, so I went with a Trektop NX, sent to top fabric, widows, TG bar, etc to a WF member in return for covering the shipping cost. The frame was half cut up, the other half still to be disposed of (it's condition was the primary reason it didn't go back on). The clips? Still attached to the B pillar of my sport bar, even though they have absolutely no function any longer. It is just easier to leave them since they are not in the way.
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Hey Guys,
Sorry, been away a couple of days... We are NOT talking about the shoulder screws. We are talking about the screws that actually attach the hard top to the jeep rollbar bracket. These are the screws that you need... Lowes and other HW stores sell them for about 90 cents each.

https://www.countrycat.com/textron-o...hd-slf-tap-t30

You need the M6x1x20 screws. They worked perfectly!

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