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Old 08-06-2011, 12:10 AM
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Is this pic real? It's supposedly a picture of part of the exhaust system that kinda sticks down below the driveshaft. I don't know if it's supposedly an automatic or manual. Looks like a tuba or something. If itís real, what does it look like the extra plumbing does?



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I don't think it is just because of that bar running behind the wheel. There are too many differences there besides the exhaust.

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Yeah, someone claimed it was a 2012 Wrangler, but it didn't look right to me, so I figured I would ask a current owner.
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The picture is real, the reason was explained in the 6/2 thread. I wish I could find it for you. It has something to do with exhaust pipe length and is needed in order for the engine to run properly. I think Up Hill Bill took better shots of it. As I already mentioned in that thread there is a better reason for why its there.
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It's real. It also doesn't hang as low as it looks in that picture. See The pic from UHBill referenced in an earlier post.

Newer engines with fancy adjustable valves require lots of exhaust tuning to run well and be emissions compliant.

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Link to a better underside pic from UpHillBill with a better perspective.
Doesnt seem to hang down as bad as the first pic would suggest.
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That was done on purpose. It is not a tuba, it is a bugle. When you fire up and drive a 2012 down the road the Pentastar plays Taps to all previous models of Wranglers.
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Oh, so it is realÖ

It looks in both picture to hang below the driveshaft, and I donít see any skid under it.

If they needed to add some extra length to the pipe you would think there would have been a better way to do it. Maybe they needed to create some backpressure?
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Oh, so it is realÖ

It looks in both picture to hang below the driveshaft, and I donít see any skid under it.
Good luck taking that exhaust loop out without first destroying most of the rest of the underside of your rig!

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That black cross member/skid bar that the exhaust loop is tucked up above is mighty stout. It's not a perfect situation, but there's much more vulnerable stuff under there to worry about!
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Newer engines with fancy adjustable valves require lots of exhaust tuning to run well and be emissions compliant.
I'm just surprised that is the best Jeep engineers could come up with to properly tune the exhaust.
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Good luck taking that exhaust loop out without first destroying most of the rest of the underside of your rig!...


I suppose... I ripped off my Evap Can and it was up way more than all of those parts.

I'll have to drop by the Dealer one of these weekends and see it myself - pictures can really be deceiving and maybe there's absolutely no way it will be hit without destroying the Jeep.
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I'm just surprised that is the best Jeep engineers could come up with to properly tune the exhaust.
Maybe they'll fix it later, then again they didn't move the Evap Can (or did they finally move it in the 2012s?)
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I'm just surprised that is the best Jeep engineers could come up with to properly tune the exhaust.
What's wrong with it? It's as high as many other more delicate bits. What percentage of JK buyers will actually take their vehicle off road? Of them, how many will go on something other than a fire road? Of them, how many will wheel hard enough in stock format to damage it versus armor it and lift it before wheeling hard? My point is that MOST people won't even know it's there. Only us zealots will know or care.

Sure, I would have liked to have seem something better too, but it will not stop me from buying it. Just another thing to armor and protect. Not a big deal to me, but maybe I have lower expectations or greater tolerance. The aftermarket will address it soon, as it always has every weakness for the last 70 years. To me, a factory Jeep is a starting point, not a final product. YMMV.
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What's wrong with it? It's as high as many other more delicate bits. What percentage of JK buyers will actually take their vehicle off road? Of them, how many will go on something other than a fire road? Of them, how many will wheel hard enough in stock format to damage it versus armor it and lift it before wheeling hard? My point is that MOST people won't even know it's there. Only us zealots will know or care.

Sure, I would have liked to have seem something better too, but it will not stop me from buying it. Just another thing to armor and protect. Not a big deal to me, but maybe I have lower expectations or greater tolerance. The aftermarket will address it soon, as it always has every weakness for the last 70 years. To me, a factory Jeep is a starting point, not a final product. YMMV.
Why defend something that at best looks like a hacked up tuba thatís ripe to be hit when dragging over rocks?

We should all hope that when new models come out they will fix issues with the older models, not create new problems. Iím glad to see that it appears Chrysler is attempting to correct issues in other areas - many that are much bigger areas of concern.

I got my Jeep to wheel. Sure, you can skid stuff - which I have done, but why would you want to add new skids that werenít required before? Did they move or skid the Evap Can (still havenít heard from someone who has a 2012 on that)? Now to me that would be in improvement. Lowering an exhaust pipe which makes it easier to hit is not an improvement.
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Why defend something that at best looks like a hacked up tuba thatís ripe to be hit when dragging over rocks?

We should all hope that when new models come out they will fix issues with the older models, not create new problems. Iím glad to see that it appears Chrysler is attempting to correct issues in other areas - many that are much bigger areas of concern.

I got my Jeep to wheel. Sure, you can skid stuff - which I have done, but why would you want to add new skids that werenít required before? Did they move or skid the Evap Can (still havenít heard from someone who has a 2012 on that)? Now to me that would be in improvement. Lowering an exhaust pipe which makes it easier to hit is not an improvement.
I'm not defending anything; it's not mine to defend. I stated very clearly that I also wish it was a better design. I just choose not to snivel about one design choice, but rather accept it, and deal with it on my own. However, I do understand your point.

Also, to be clear, the engineers did not lower the exhaust pipe, it was never anywhere before. This is a whole new engine, therefore the location of the exhaust in the 3.8 bears no relevance to any argument about the lousy location in the new model. Semantics maybe, but my point is that the new engine had new requirements and this is how they dealt with it. Hopefully someone will find a better way in the future.

I also share your hope that other design decisions that I'm at odds with are changed. They addressed the big one for me which was the lousy ratios in the automatic transmission. They addressed the lack of an air to oil transmission cooler too. Also added more power, better mileage, nicer interior, and more comfort for my wife (heated seats). For me, so many things are better than my 2010 that I'm going to plunk down almost $40k and trade my 2010.

I think we agree that there is still room for improvement. I hope you get your new JK soon and enjoy it in good health.
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I'm not defending anything; it's not mine to defend. I stated very clearly that I also wish it was a better design. I just choose not to snivel about one design choice, but rather accept it, and deal with it on my own. However, I do understand your point.

Also, to be clear, the engineers did not lower the exhaust pipe, it was never anywhere before. This is a whole new engine, therefore the location of the exhaust in the 3.8 bears no relevance to any argument about the lousy location in the new model. Semantics maybe, but my point is that the new engine had new requirements and this is how they dealt with it. Hopefully someone will find a better way in the future.

I also share your hope that other design decisions that I'm at odds with are changed. They addressed the big one for me which was the lousy ratios in the automatic transmission. They addressed the lack of an air to oil transmission cooler too. Also added more power, better mileage, nicer interior, and more comfort for my wife (heated seats). For me, so many things are better than my 2010 that I'm going to plunk down almost $40k and trade my 2010.

I think we agree that there is still room for improvement. I hope you get your new JK soon and enjoy it in good health.
Do you know exactly how they changed that ??

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Jim M - OK.

Hope swapping the 2010 for the 2012 will meet or exceed your expectations.

Iím currently pretty happy with my í08 as I ďfixedĒ all of the issues that annoyed me. After I got the lift, tires, and especially gears Iíve been a pretty happy camper. I still have a lifetime bumper to bumper warranty to try out, though I wouldnít be surprised if Chrysler at some point decides to not honor it.
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Do you know exactly how they changed that ??

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Hey, Jimbo. Tranny cooler is in front of the radiator. It's the same width as the radiator, and about 2/3 the height. It may come with the Max Tow package with auto tranny, or just with the auto - don't know 'cause I have auto with Max Tow and the cooler.

Milous posted the Mopar parts page with the cooler used on the 2012s somewhere(?), and it appears to be the same as the one we all conjectured about a while back from the China 'spy shots.'

So, new tranny doesn't have the overheating reputation of the old, and it has a big air/oil cooler. It's all good!
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Hey, Jimbo. Tranny cooler is in front of the radiator. It's the same width as the radiator, and about 2/3 the height. It may come with the Max Tow package with auto tranny, or just with the auto - don't know 'cause I have auto with Max Tow and the cooler.

Milous posted the Mopar parts page with the cooler used on the 2012s somewhere(?), and it appears to be the same as the one we all conjectured about a while back from the China 'spy shots.'

So, new tranny doesn't have the overheating reputation of the old, and it has a big air/oil cooler. It's all good!
The auto tranny cooler has ALLWAYS been in front of the radiator for the 2007 thru 2011--

I thought they may have taken it outta the A.C condenser !!

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The auto tranny cooler has ALLWAYS been in front of the radiator for the 2007 thru 2011--

I thought they may have taken it outta the A.C condenser !!

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It is now out of the condenser and on it's own. Well, at least for the Max Tow on the Rubi. Others may be the same, but no empirical data points yet.
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The auto tranny cooler has ALLWAYS been in front of the radiator for the 2007 thru 2011--

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Really? I thought people were retrofitting air/oil transmission coolers to 3.8L models with auto. I know my sons 2009 JKU X with auto doesn't have one. Did it come with a tow package or something?

I'm confused - or just stupid!
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Wow-thats great--thanx Jim !!


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It is now out of the condenser and on it's own. Well, at least for the Max Tow on the Rubi. Others may be the same, but no empirical data points yet.
Things are lookin up !!

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Yes it does, if it doesn't have A/C,, it still has the condenser in front of the radiator and thats where the auto fluid line makes the loop !!


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Really? I thought people were retrofitting air/oil transmission coolers to 3.8L models with auto. I know my sons 2009 JKU X with auto doesn't have one. Did it come with a tow package or something?

I'm confused - or just stupid!
It doesn't matter whether you have the tow pkg--or not !

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My 2012 jku doesnt have the loop de loop
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I had a thought:

I read a while back that 2011 units ordered without air filtration were getting the two filter elements anyways (behind the glovebox).

Are any of our 2012s getting them even if we haven't ordered them?

I won't know for my unit until Monday
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maybe the 2012 jku is long enough to get the amount of exhaust pipe necessary for backpressure while the shorter standard jk isn't and needs the loop

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