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Old 07-14-2019, 08:45 AM
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Speaker upgrade

I'm wanting to add some speakers to my jeep for highs and midrange and wanted to get some opinions on what people have or have used.


I'm looking at the JKU speaker pods that hold a 6 inch speaker and tweeter that mounts behind the passenger headrest or possible going with some of the wakeboard speakers that are self-enclosed that mount about the same place.


What is your opinion and if you have any pics, if it's not much trouble, can you post them.



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Speakers will not improve your sound, in fact the stock speakers are not that bad provide they are provided with good clean signals, something the stock headunit does not supply. It rolls of the low's way to early and the high are all over the place.

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Speakers will not improve your sound, in fact the stock speakers are not that bad provide they are provided with good clean signals, something the stock headunit does not supply. It rolls of the low's way to early and the high are all over the place.
That's not true. You will notice a bigger improvement in sound with upgraded speakers before you hear it anywhere else in the signal chain in both the car environment and especially in the home environment.

OP, there are quite a few posts about upgrading speakers and other components. Just do a search.
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That's not true. You will notice a bigger improvement in sound with upgraded speakers before you hear it anywhere else in the signal chain in both the car environment and especially in the home environment.

OP, there are quite a few posts about upgrading speakers and other components. Just do a search.
It has been shown time and again that the stock head unit/amp rolls off the lows and the highs are all over the place. This is pre-speaker so I don't care what speakers you use it can not improve a signal that is not there.
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It has been shown time and again that the stock head unit/amp rolls off the lows and the highs are all over the place. This is pre-speaker so I don't care what speakers you use it can not improve a signal that is not there.
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That's not true. You will notice a bigger improvement in sound with upgraded speakers before you hear it anywhere else in the signal chain in both the car environment and especially in the home environment.

OP, there are quite a few posts about upgrading speakers and other components. Just do a search.
When I changed my entire system out I did the speakers first. I thought I'd made a horrible mistake with my choice as they sounded horrible with the stock head unit. Once I changed the head unit out everything was amazing. Change the head unit first. You might be happy with the way the speakers sound.
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When I changed my entire system out I did the speakers first. I thought I'd made a horrible mistake with my choice as they sounded horrible with the stock head unit. Once I changed the head unit out everything was amazing. Change the head unit first. You might be happy with the way the speakers sound.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. He's saying by changing your speakers you won't hear a difference. I'm saying that's not true. Even by upgrading to better speakers you'll hear slightly to better sound (depending on speaker choice obviously).

I'm not saying swapping the JK's HU won't change the sound. I never said that. Of course there will be a bigger difference when you upgrade everything.

But saying you can't improve even a little by just swapping to quality speakers is rubbish. That's essentially saying that the stock speakers are the best speakers you can get, you just need to upgrade your HU.

Regardless, looks like we're going to agree to disagree here. Audio has always been mostly subjective.

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I upgraded with the Polk DB522 marine grade speakers. Very crisp sound. I also installed a powered sub under the driver seat for lows since stock head unit sucks in that range.
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I upgrader about 4 years ago and this is what I've found to be true. Upgrade in this order HU then speakers then a powered sub. You can do it all at once or as your budget allows. Even if you don't think you need a sub, trust me it makes an incredible difference. If you live in or around the suburbs of Detroit send me a message and I'll meet up with you(up to a reasonable distance) and show you just how much of a difference a sub makes.
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You're not understanding what I'm saying. He's saying by changing your speakers you won't hear a difference. I'm saying that's not true. Even by upgrading to better speakers you'll hear slightly to better sound (depending on speaker choice obviously).

I'm not saying swapping the JK's HU won't change the sound. I never said that. Of course there will be a bigger difference when you upgrade everything.

But saying you can't improve even a little by just swapping to quality speakers is rubbish. That's essentially saying that the stock speakers are the best speakers you can get, you just need to upgrade your HU.

Regardless, looks like we're going to agree to disagree here. Audio has always been mostly subjective.

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Again the issue is signals not being provided to the speakers. Putting in better speakers provided the you have the power to push them, sure you get better sound but you still suffer from not having all the signal.

In a perfect would the H/U will provide a perfectly flat signal from at least 20Hz to 20KHz, everything zero'd out. The stock unit start to roll off the lows before 100Hz and by the time it gets to 20Hz it has rolled off -12db. Above that the signal is all over the place, positive and negative, 4000Hz and above the signal starts to go high and stays there. The only way to correct this is either a new H/U or with a signal process.

I am a firm believer that when putting together a sound system the first step is selecting your speakers. But that is provide you are going to support those speaker properly. Adding a sub to the system lets say is a fools errand unless you have a way to correct sub freq. Turning the stock base (20-250HZ) all the way up (12db) only brings it to flat or 0db at 20Hz, at 125 Hz it is now +15db. This is a real good way to blow a perfectly good set of speakers.

And while agree that sound is subjective that really only applies to speaker selection. The source unit must provide a relatively flat signal across the spectrum. Only in this way can we tune it to our individual likes and still be able to crank it up and not damage the speakers. That is of course you are providing the power to reproduce the sound.
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The worlds best speakers would sound like ass when they're powered by the marvel of modern electronics, Chrysler in-dash transistor radio.
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When I changed my entire system out I did the speakers first. I thought I'd made a horrible mistake with my choice as they sounded horrible with the stock head unit. Once I changed the head unit out everything was amazing. Change the head unit first. You might be happy with the way the speakers sound.
I did the same. Can't say how good the stock speakers are, but when I replaced them first my new speakers really showed how bad the head unit was.
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Everyone is assuming I have a stock H/U. The question is about adding more speakers. Not upgrading the speakers I have already.

I have looked at other threads but canít find one that is specific to my question.

My question is about adding the JKU pods or the wakeboard speakers. I have plenty of bass but want to add some more highs and midrange in a directional fashion.


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Again the issue is signals not being provided to the speakers. Putting in better speakers provided the you have the power to push them, sure you get better sound but you still suffer from not having all the signal.

In a perfect would the H/U will provide a perfectly flat signal from at least 20Hz to 20KHz, everything zero'd out. The stock unit start to roll off the lows before 100Hz and by the time it gets to 20Hz it has rolled off -12db. Above that the signal is all over the place, positive and negative, 4000Hz and above the signal starts to go high and stays there. The only way to correct this is either a new H/U or with a signal process.

I am a firm believer that when putting together a sound system the first step is selecting your speakers. But that is provide you are going to support those speaker properly. Adding a sub to the system lets say is a fools errand unless you have a way to correct sub freq. Turning the stock base (20-250HZ) all the way up (12db) only brings it to flat or 0db at 20Hz, at 125 Hz it is now +15db. This is a real good way to blow a perfectly good set of speakers.

And while agree that sound is subjective that really only applies to speaker selection. The source unit must provide a relatively flat signal across the spectrum. Only in this way can we tune it to our individual likes and still be able to crank it up and not damage the speakers. That is of course you are providing the power to reproduce the sound.
I think in the end, we mostly agree.
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Everyone is assuming I have a stock H/U. The question is about adding more speakers. Not upgrading the speakers I have already.

I have looked at other threads but canít find one that is specific to my question.

My question is about adding the JKU pods or the wakeboard speakers. I have plenty of bass but want to add some more highs and midrange in a directional fashion.


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I added another set of 6.25 inch speakers to the rear (built separate boxes for them just in front of the rear wheel wells). The stock roll bar box is just too crappy to push any serious power through. They vibrate probably worse than the speaker cones themselves.


They're hooked in parallel to the roll bar speakers with a 2 ohm stable amp. Sounds much better. I can push out more power at a cleaner level since I don't have to drive the roll bar speakers so hard anymore.
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