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Old 02-04-2015, 09:13 AM
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Unhappy spinning out on ice

Okay, newbie question here. Im slipping/spinning anytime one of my tires touches ice. Running 35 Nitto trail grapplers. I swear before my tire upgrade I didn't have this problem...basic thoughts or is there a thread about this already?

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Tire pressure and the "upgraded" tires, while great in the dirt and rocks, absolutely suck on ice.

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Old 02-04-2015, 09:18 AM   #3
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M/T tires suck on snow/ice that's one of the reasons that a lot of people on here like the Goodyear duratracs they are an A/T that looks aggressive and good year round
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Well, honestly what did you expect? The tires you bought are optimized for off-road traction vs. (I assume) the stock rubber that is optimized for on the road conditions. Everything is a trade-off although there are some tires on the market that perform fairly well (although not great) at doing it all.
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I had the same problem with BFG Mud Terrains. Your tires don't have the siping and bite needed to grip on ice. They also likely have larger flotation causing you to slide rather than grip. The solution is either to be careful or get a tire more suited to ice that has more siping like the Falken Wildpeak or is studded. They should handle snow well enough though. Not every all terrain tire has good ice capability either. I have had several that were really bad, but mud tire types are the worst when it is wet.
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Well, honestly what did you expect? The tires you bought are optimized for off-road traction vs. (I assume) the stock rubber that is optimized for on the road conditions. Everything is a trade-off although there are some tires on the market that perform fairly well (although not great) at doing it all.
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Do you still have the original tires to swap back on? Is the ice a temporary condition in your area that one day wont matter?

And this may sound REALLY dumb but I was thinking could you get the center section of the tires siped to help with the ice if it is going to be around for a while?
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I had the same problem with BFG Mud Terrains. Your tires don't have the siping and bite needed to grip on ice. They also likely have larger flotation causing you to slide rather than grip. The solution is either to be careful or get a tire more suited to ice that has more siping like the Falken Wildpeak or is studded. They should handle snow well enough though. Not every all terrain tire has good ice capability either. I have had several that were really bad, but mud tire types are the worst when it is wet.
Thanks~ this is my first winter with them~like I said, I'm new to all of this. Hopefully she will fair well in the snow!
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Do you still have the original tires to swap back on? Is the ice a temporary condition in your area that one day wont matter?

And this may sound REALLY dumb but I was thinking could you get the center section of the tires siped to help with the ice if it is going to be around for a while?
great idea, but I sold the originals... (...googles siped)
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Siped is the cuts in the rubber tire tread that allow it to give and grip better in adverse road conditions.

Stip by discount tire or belle tire for a hands on explanation
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Siped is the cuts in the rubber tire tread that allow it to give and grip better in adverse road conditions. Stip by discount tire or belle tire for a hands on explanation
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There are reputable dealers out there that will sipe your tires. That will improve your situation considerably. Amazing what those tiny slits really do. Big difference.
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To have traction on ice, the tire must be made of a very soft rubber that will stay soft when under freezing temperature and must also have A LOT of tiny tiny cuts in it. Use google image to find the "goodyear ultra grip ice". it is not the best tire out there, but you'll see what I am talking about.

If you plan on driving on snow/icy conditions quite a lot during winter times, I highly recommend a dedicated set of winter tires, the difference in traction is crazy. And if you are in a area where there is quite some snow, the offroad trails are probably covered in snow too, so you won't need your off road tires much in that time. Sure it is costly to buy a second set of tire, but while you use the winter ones, you are not using your off road ones so they will last longer. In the long run, the price evens out (and you can even save money since there are a lot of winter tires cheaper than the nitto).
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To have traction on ice, the tire must be made of a very soft rubber that will stay soft when under freezing temperature and must also have A LOT of tiny tiny cuts in it. Use google image to find the "goodyear ultra grip ice". it is not the best tire out there, but you'll see what I am talking about.

If you plan on driving on snow/icy conditions quite a lot during winter times, I highly recommend a dedicated set of winter tires, the difference in traction is crazy. And if you are in a area where there is quite some snow, the offroad trails are probably covered in snow too, so you won't need your off road tires much in that time. Sure it is costly to buy a second set of tire, but while you use the winter ones, you are not using your off road ones so they will last longer. In the long run, the price evens out (and you can even save money since there are a lot of winter tires cheaper than the nitto).
True~ sounds like a good idea- thanks, I'll do some research
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I don't disagree with the dedicated winter tire concept. There is nothing that does Winter like a set of winter tires (not talking chains and/or studs).
I have been impressed with the stock Goodyear A/T's that came on my Sahara. They have gone thru anything and everything the Pocono Mountains have thrown at them this winter.
Blizzaks are a perennial winter fav around here. Unless you are going to mount remount constantly you'll need a set of wheels for the extra set.

I have Four(4) vehicles so dedicated tires aren't really feasible so I have to get the best compromise tire.
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In deeper snow and slush, MTs are fine. Packed snow and ice, you need to be a bit more cautious.

Using your transmission as a manual(if it is not one already) will help.

It is tough. You want the off road performane, but drive mostly on the road

I will be looking at duratracs, KO2s, when my bfgs km2s wear out. Then again, i might just deal with it.
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I have the stock Rubi tires on still and have had zero problems despite them being MTs. I find that not driving like a nitwit helps a lot in this regard.

Once I get my lift and tires I'll probably buy a second set of cheaper wheels and then put duratracs or an actual snow tire on them for the winter.
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Getting your MT's siped will make you a lot more susceptible to flats when you go off road. Not so much on road. I am on my third set of BFG KM's and I never had a flat in any of them until I got them siped. I'd venture to say I've got 60k miles on unsiped KM's without a flat and maybe 20k on siped KM's and about five flats. Crazy. Every one of the flats was a rock, nail, or screw that went right through one of the sipes.
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THe stock MTs work very well for some reason... not sure why. My MTRs are the same on the packed snow/ice. Looking at getting them siped as well.
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Getting your MT's siped will make you a lot more susceptible to flats when you go off road. Not so much on road. I am on my third set of BFG KM's and I never had a flat in any of them until I got them siped. I'd venture to say I've got 60k miles on unsiped KM's without a flat and maybe 20k on siped KM's and about five flats. Crazy. Every one of the flats was a rock, nail, or screw that went right through one of the sipes.
I would have to assume that the sipes were cut too deep then. If only done about 1/3-1/4 the depth of the tread block there should be no problem.
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I would have to assume that the sipes were cut too deep then. If only done about 1/3-1/4 the depth of the tread block there should be no problem.
Nope, they are not siped very deep at all. You beat on a siped MT and you will get flats. I am talking about three different identical sets of 255/75R17 KM tires, all siped at different locations. Even had just the middle done. If you go places with a lot of small rocks, those sipes will eventually give way and you will get a flat.
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I don't disagree with the dedicated winter tire concept. There is nothing that does Winter like a set of winter tires (not talking chains and/or studs).
I have been impressed with the stock Goodyear A/T's that came on my Sahara. They have gone thru anything and everything the Pocono Mountains have thrown at them this winter.
Blizzaks are a perennial winter fav around here. Unless you are going to mount remount constantly you'll need a set of wheels for the extra set.

I have Four(4) vehicles so dedicated tires aren't really feasible so I have to get the best compromise tire.
Unless you have a 2013 Moab, the stock Sahara tires are Bridgestones. But I agree, they have worked pretty well so far.
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Siping an MT works, but it can also lead to chunking.
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Wonder what a good set of Sahara or Sport X take-offs would go for? Might be worth it, if there is a place to store them the other two months of the year... (just kidding ).

Really just need something to get through the "ice" season, because while not great, the Trail Grapplers perform OK in the snow.
Might scour craigslist, to see if there is a cheap set available.

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Duratracs are really hard to beat if you live in an area that gets snow.
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Wonder what a good set of Sahara or Sport X take-offs would go for? Might be worth it, if there is a place to store them the other two months of the year... (just kidding ). Really just need something to get through the "ice" season, because while not great, the Trail Grapplers perform OK in the snow. Might scour craigslist, to see if there is a cheap set available. Good luck with this.
Kicking myself for selling my take offs when I upgraded. Good thinkin'! You're soooo right though. Lol
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I am about 4 hours south of you...how many snow days does KC average? Also, not sure on your Jeep but do you have a locker in the rear? Lockers are really bad on snow / ice.

The other issue going to a larger tire is weight displacement...you have the weight of your Jeep spread across a larger surface.
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Thanks~ this is my first winter with them~like I said, I'm new to all of this. Hopefully she will fair well in the snow!

I ran the same tire in a 35". it sucks in snow, ice, and light rain. air them down a little, but it still is not the best tire for on road. dont feel bad, i replaced mine with the Nitto Trail Graplers and they, if possible, are even worse. I have no problem in a full on down pour but a mist gets'em sliding around.
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Unless you have a 2013 Moab, the stock Sahara tires are Bridgestones. But I agree, they have worked pretty well so far.
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