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Old 07-31-2011, 09:13 PM
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Super Chip or Cold Air Intake for 2011 Wrangler

Anybody put in a super chip or a Cold Air Intake for there 2011 Wrangler?

Which will get me better MPG and horsepower?

Are they hard to install?


Is the super chip better then Cold Air Intake?

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Both are SUPER easy to install. I bought an Airaid CAI and i did get a few more HP but no noticeable MPG gain.

A Superchips will give you WAY more MPG's and HP than a CAI will.

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Superchips will but they still don't have it for 2011 yet. They are working on it though according to their forum rep. CAI will get you a little but it also allows more dirt into your engine. If you do a CAI, better plugs and exhaust, it will get you some gains but can be costly for those gains. Superchips claims 16hp gains and 30 torque but as stated it isn't ready for 2011 yet.
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From what I've read, CAI are just about worthless on our JK's. Apparantly Jeep did a pretty good job designing the OEM intake.
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Chip or programmer. CAI is more risky for letting in fine dust or water, and the stock filter is the most restrictive part of the intake IMO.
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Chip or programmer. CAI is more risky for letting in fine dust or water, and the stock filter is the most restrictive part of the intake IMO.
The CAI won't do anything for you unless you have the SuperChip.
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My 2011 is ready for a SuperChip programmer.... Still waiting, hope they get it sorted out soon. MBRP exhaust ordered yesterday..ain't like I have a Ripp SC waiting to fire up, but still want the programmer.
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The CAI won't do anything for you unless you have the SuperChip.
I disagree, I started with just the CAI and noticed a pretty good difference in power and gas. So, I went and added the throttle body spacer and exhaust and noticed a pretty big difference. I've been driving that for about 10 months with the upgrades and a few days ago I drove a buddys Jeep who had nothing and felt like I was putting around. Oh and I have no chip/programmer.
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It's well known that tbs are worthless. As far as your "cold" air intake, exactly how is the air made cold. At what temperature does the improvement begin? How is this affected in the winter?
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It's well known that tbs are worthless. As far as your "cold" air intake, exactly how is the air made cold. At what temperature does the improvement begin? How is this affected in the winter?

The temps are lower because there is a heat shield type piece that sperate the heat the engine makes from the filter.

Back in the day a true CAI was one that went down in the fenders and picked up air closer to the ground.

Colder air is colder air...it has more oxygen their fore more of a powerful power stroke vs a hot air. Ever notice your recovery time is decrease after running in colder weather? Because you are in taking more oxygen.
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I disagree, I started with just the CAI and noticed a pretty good difference in power and gas. So, I went and added the throttle body spacer and exhaust and noticed a pretty big difference. I've been driving that for about 10 months with the upgrades and a few days ago I drove a buddys Jeep who had nothing and felt like I was putting around. Oh and I have no chip/programmer.
Been looking into some performance mods. Been around here long enough to see all the negatives- great seeing a positive. I think people want to bolt on 145+ HP and be happy. Anythings better then nothing. Glad your happy, I'm going for it-- CAI at least, and maybe an exhaust upgrade
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If you can afford it and have not already done so, save up for a gear swap. This will make the biggest difference in performance.
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Been looking into some performance mods. Been around here long enough to see all the negatives- great seeing a positive. I think people want to bolt on 145+ HP and be happy. Anythings better then nothing. Glad your happy, I'm going for it-- CAI at least, and maybe an exhaust upgrade
You're exactly right. People are looking for an outrageous improvement. I believe it was well worth my money. Even the guy that owns the Jeep I drove wanted to trade.
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You're exactly right. People are looking for an outrageous improvement. I believe it was well worth my money. Even the guy that owns the Jeep I drove wanted to trade.
I do agree, for the money- regearing is the better option. I already have 4:10's and I don't plan on 35" tires. So spending $1200 maybe more and go to-say like 4:56 would not benefit me. Going lower would def give a boost in the performance
range, but my mpg in the long run would most Likely take a hit. CAI & exhaust $500-$600 and even a minimal GAIN in mpg and performance = good enough for me
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For us non-Rubi manual transmission folks though, 4Jeepn is right.

~$1200 for a regear would be a huge--huge--improvement over performance. With a manual transmission, you could go to 4.56s on stock tires and 4.88s with 33s or 35s. With an auto, you could go much higher. Really, auto Rubis with 4.10s are still undergeared.

4.56s are hard to find and are more expensive than 4.88s. My brain is slowly coming around to just going with 4.88s on 35s and calling it good.

Right now I'm using 3.21s on the stock 32s. It's okay, but it takes too long for the RPMs to spool up to get to where I want. I can also do about 60 mph on the highway in FOURTH gear at about 2800 RPMs. Pretty silly to think that I really only need 4 out of 6 gears in my trans.
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For us non-Rubi manual transmission folks though, 4Jeepn is right.

~$1200 for a regear would be a huge--huge--improvement over performance. With a manual transmission, you could go to 4.56s on stock tires and 4.88s with 33s or 35s. With an auto, you could go much higher. Really, auto Rubis with 4.10s are still undergeared.

4.56s are hard to find and are more expensive than 4.88s. My brain is slowly coming around to just going with 4.88s on 35s and calling it good.

Right now I'm using 3.21s on the stock 32s. It's okay, but it takes too long for the RPMs to spool up to get to where I want. I can also do about 60 mph on the highway in FOURTH gear at about 2800 RPMs. Pretty silly to think that I really only need 4 out of 6 gears in my trans.
And I hardly see you complain Mike
But the 3:21's have got to be awful with 32's.
Now-the 32's are optional for a sport correct? What does jeep put on there to begin with? Assuming a better match for your gear ratio

Would 4:56 would be a worthwhile gain along with 32's. Maybe come time - my tires are at 50%, I can move up to a 33


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But the 3:21's have got to be awful with 32's. Now-the 32's are optional for a sport correct? What does jeep put on there to begin with? Assuming a better match for your gear ratio.
The base Sport comes with 29s. But my "Mountain Edition"--although based on a Sport--came stock with the Rubicon 32s. If you look at that chart that's been posted around here a few times showing the JK gear ratios though, you'll see that 3.21s are really still poor performers even for 29" tires.

Bottom line from my perspective is that once Jeep went with the 3.8, all manuals should have come with 4.10s. Rubi manuals should have come with 4.56s. All autos should have come with 4.88s with the Rubis offering 5.13s.

If they'd done that, I suspect all the yack about being "underpowered" probably never would've happened.

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Depends on what you mean by "worthwhile." 4.56s are a little tough to find and tend to be about $100 more for the set.

But instead of spinning 2500 at 70 mph, you'd be spinning 2800. Extrapolating off dyno charts, that would give you about 15 more hp at the wheels for that speed on your current tires. Is 15 more hp on the highway worth ~$1200?

If you went to 33s, you'd lose some power, and be spinning 2450 with 4.10s and 2730 with 4.56s. Again, the 4.56s would give you back about a 10 to 15 hp difference at the wheels at 70 mph. You'd actually have more power than you did on 32s with 4.10s.

By comparison, my 3.21s spin 1980 RPM at 70 mph. That's about 500 RPMs and 20 (yes, 20) less hp than you spin at the same speed on your 4.10s. And of course, you have a 2 door that weighs several hundred pounds less than my 4 door.
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The base Sport comes with 29s. But my "Mountain Edition"--although based on a Sport--came stock with the Rubicon 32s. If you look at that chart that's been posted around here a few times showing the JK gear ratios though, you'll see that 3.21s are really still poor performers even for 29" tires.

Bottom line from my perspective is that once Jeep went with the 3.8, all manuals should have come with 4.10s. Rubi manuals should have come with 4.56s. All autos should have come with 4.88s with the Rubis offering 5.13s.

If they'd done that, I suspect all the yack about being "underpowered" probably never would've happened.

Depends on what you mean by "worthwhile." 4.56s are a little tough to find and tend to be about $100 more for the set.

But instead of spinning 2500 at 70 mph, you'd be spinning 2800. Extrapolating off dyno charts, that would give you about 15 more hp at the wheels for that speed on your current tires. Is 15 more hp on the highway worth ~$1200?

If you went to 33s, you'd lose some power, and be spinning 2450 with 4.10s and 2730 with 4.56s. Again, the 4.56s would give you back about a 10 to 15 hp difference at the wheels at 70 mph. You'd actually have more power than you did on 32s with 4.10s.

By comparison, my 3.21s spin 1980 RPM at 70 mph. That's about 500 RPMs and 20 (yes, 20) less hp than you spin at the same speed on your 4.10s. And of course, you have a 2 door that weighs several hundred pounds less than my 4 door.
4:56 would be better- but not worth $1200 I get it.
I don't believe they still put a 29" tire on the JK that is just not right. Evan If you upgrade IMMEDIATELY your at a huge disadvantage stuck with 3:21's.
New people buying their first jeep probably won't know that. Awesome

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Superchip or Diablo programmers are definitely the biggest bang for the buck and the most effective. Throttle response as well as fine tuning for your Octane level is addressed. If there is one mod that makes the most difference, this is it. Add your other mods later like CAI, catbacks, or better still longtube headers and catback, and Viper throttle body and take advantage of their full capability. Yes you can run add-ons and get results but its not the same as being properly programmed.
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Superchip or Diablo programmers are definitely the biggest bang for the buck and the most effective. Throttle response as well as fine tuning for your Octane level is addressed. If there is one mod that makes the most difference, this is it. Add your other mods later like CAI, catbacks, or better still longtube headers and catback, and Viper throttle body and take advantage of their full capability. Yes you can run add-ons and get results but its not the same as being properly programmed.
Being on these forums for a bit, you are lead to believe:
1) CAI - worth crap
2) Tbs -worth crap
3) exhaust - worth crap
4) combined - some gains
5) programmer for auto trans- great for shift points and throttle response
6) programmer for manual trans - worth crap
7) sprint booster for throttle response - works great for me but - worth crap
8) REGEAR - best mod for the buck
9) Super charger best mod if your loaded - voids warranty
10) Engine swap

What am I missing ?

I have a manual and considered a programmer but ( see 6 ) apparently- not worth it- what gives?

I spend too much time on here
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The temps are lower because there is a heat shield type piece that sperate the heat the engine makes from the filter.

Back in the day a true CAI was one that went down in the fenders and picked up air closer to the ground.

Colder air is colder air...it has more oxygen their fore more of a powerful power stroke vs a hot air. Ever notice your recovery time is decrease after running in colder weather? Because you are in taking more oxygen.
You are really reaching for straws. Your plastic heat shield is doing nothing for significant temperature differences.
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I think many don't see CAI or TBS as crap because of increases in power but rather the small increase it gives comes at a huge price. Not only in money but the dirt that CAI lets in over paper filters and the whistling and codes that a throttle body mod can cause. On the other hand, one of the companies that make these mods came on here once and did a Spacer, CAI, exhaust mods and showed the dyno on it and it gave I believe 30 hp and 55 torque gains. They also used a tuner to tune it in. So gains are very possible with these mods. Superchips dyno shows 16hp and 28 torque increases so that means the CAI/Exhaust/TBS must be getting around 14hp and 27 torque gains or there about over what the tuner will provide alone. But one thing I did notice about the tuner gains is they are spread out pretty good over the entire power band.
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You are really reaching for straws. Your plastic heat shield is doing nothing for significant temperature differences.
It does feel like a vehicle does run better
in the morning when it's cool out side.I never understood the "cold" air intake part of it though.
the whole engine bay is pretty darn hot regardless especially in the summer.
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It does feel like a vehicle does run better
in the morning when it's cool out side.I never understood the "cold" air intake part of it though.
the whole engine bay is pretty darn hot regardless especially in the summer.
Agreed. I'm willing to entertain any other claims of improvement other than cold air.
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What's the difference between banks and the others?
The banks is closed and only open is the front shielding form hot air getting sucked in. Also the way it's designed it prevents water from Splashing up into the cone. I spent 3 weeks of research on CAI to find that this one is the best. It helps in power,torque, and mpgs.
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The banks is closed and only open is the front shielding form hot air getting sucked in. Also the way it's designed it prevents water from Splashing up into the cone. I spent 3 weeks of research on CAI to find that this one is the best. It helps in power,torque, and mpgs.
That must have been interesting. Use these forums? considering the way intakes are slammed on in here.
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You are really reaching for straws. Your plastic heat shield is doing nothing for significant temperature differences.

uh...I have stock air box. But thats why most are made of metal anyway.
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FYI-Superchips programmers are made by Edge Products and Edge Products is owned by MSD ignition out of Texas. They make a really high quality product, but I have heard that performance is just so so.

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