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Old 12-30-2018, 12:05 PM   #31
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I've owned two tacomas. One loaded and one single cab. On the loaded one TRD I had it for only a year bought in cash...after that year I sold it and only lost 100 dollars so to say that resale value on Tacomas is great is very true. I'm on my second Jeep and I don't miss owning a Tacoma and with the Gladiator coming out I think my need for a truck is finally going to be fulfilled with the Gladiator which I plan to buy. Tacoma's do have a loyal fan base I see them all over South Texas but I would never chose a Tacoma over Jeep. GL with your decision....I recommend Jeep but that's just me.

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if you don't need a truck often, a small trailer and a jeep works

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Let's look at the other side. All you wrangler owners need to buy or rent a trailer just to do some hauling, kind of a pain and not very practical. Oh look, that toolbox is on sale - wait, I have to go home and hook up my trailer.

I am lucky enough to own both, so I do not have that tough choice - and it would be tough. As far as the Gladiator, I think it might be pretty cool, but my guess is it will not be priced to compete with similar pickups - it will be "Wrangler" priced.
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Let's look at the other side. All you wrangler owners need to buy or rent a trailer just to do some hauling, kind of a pain and not very practical. Oh look, that toolbox is on sale - wait, I have to go home and hook up my trailer.

I am lucky enough to own both, so I do not have that tough choice - and it would be tough. As far as the Gladiator, I think it might be pretty cool, but my guess is it will not be priced to compete with similar pickups - it will be "Wrangler" priced.

that's why i said "if you don't need it often" if you need a truck bed often, get one. i looked at the new ridgeline because i don't need a truck often

my trailer cost $300 from a buddy, easily payed for itself in no delivery fees. i find it real easy to hook up a few times a year. by what works for you
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Toyota has the perception of reliability.

Just wait, Ford has a new Ranger that will really give the taco some competition. Like the 4 cyl turbo and a 10 speed auto. Then there will be the Ranger Raptor. There might be a lot of tacos and Wranglers on the used market.
Or Ford Ranger may actually help expand the Midsize pickup category. That appears to have been the result of GM giving Toyota some competition: instead of Tacoma sales feelings the pinch, GM trucks have added sales to the segment.
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Toyota has the perception of reliability.
It is just that...a perception. 16-19 Tacomas have a lot of annoying problems, and Toyota has become expert at maintaining the image of reliability.

My 2018 Taco (purchased new) problems:

Chirping high pressure fuel pump (dealer “couldn’t replicate” during 3 separate visits). There was an active TSB that the dealer refused to look at

Constant gear hunting in the auto trans (Toyota finally came out with a remap TSB that I had to demand be done.)

Clunking on downshift (couldn’t replicate, there is a TSB for it)

Howl from the rear end at 50-55mph (dealer said it was tire noise, there was a TSB for the problem)

Wireless charger worked intermittently (dealer “couldn’t replicate” despite video recordings from me showing the problem), refused to replace the charger.

Hood vibrated due to missing adhesive (TSB available, dealer said it was due to rough roads and I would have to pay a body shop to look at)

There are numerous other problems with this model documented online. I started the lemon process, but was told by a few attorneys that Toyota disputes every claim and wouldn’t settle without a fight. I ultimately chose to cut my losses and dump the truck rather than to continue to fight for the next year with no guarantee of success. None of the problems were catastrophic, but added up to a cheap feeling and poor ownership experience. Unacceptable in a 40k truck IMO.






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If you have to promote reliability in your adds, you probably don't have it. But, they are the preferred truck by Isis due to their ability to take a beating.
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The Tacoma TRD OR and TRD Pro are really nice. They drive great, handle awesome, and are a good highway vehicle. However, there is nothing better than driving down the road topless and doorless in a Jeep. If I was never going to remove the doors or top, I'd go Tacoma.

As for off-road - they can probably both be made to do what you need off-road with some upgrades. I think I'd like to have the TRD OR or Pro though instead of an SR5 just to have the lockers.
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It is just that...a perception. 16-19 Tacomas have a lot of annoying problems, and Toyota has become expert at maintaining the image of reliability.

My 2018 Taco (purchased new) problems:

Chirping high pressure fuel pump (dealer “couldn’t replicate” during 3 separate visits). There was an active TSB that the dealer refused to look at

Constant gear hunting in the auto trans (Toyota finally came out with a remap TSB that I had to demand be done.)

Clunking on downshift (couldn’t replicate, there is a TSB for it)

Howl from the rear end at 50-55mph (dealer said it was tire noise, there was a TSB for the problem)

Wireless charger worked intermittently (dealer “couldn’t replicate” despite video recordings from me showing the problem), refused to replace the charger.

Hood vibrated due to missing adhesive (TSB available, dealer said it was due to rough roads and I would have to pay a body shop to look at)

There are numerous other problems with this model documented online. I started the lemon process, but was told by a few attorneys that Toyota disputes every claim and wouldn’t settle without a fight. I ultimately chose to cut my losses and dump the truck rather than to continue to fight for the next year with no guarantee of success. None of the problems were catastrophic, but added up to a cheap feeling and poor ownership experience. Unacceptable in a 40k truck IMO.






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I have a lot of those issues, too. Like you say, nothing catastrophic but I expected more. Also the seating position isn't quite right for me. I've always distinguished between quality and reliability. Can't really comment on reliability after just 7 months, but the quality is not very high. I'm on a Tacoma forum too and that's all the fanboys want to cry "Just get the TSB for that".
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Let's look at the other side. All you wrangler owners need to buy or rent a trailer just to do some hauling, kind of a pain and not very practical. Oh look, that toolbox is on sale - wait, I have to go home and hook up my trailer.

I am lucky enough to own both, so I do not have that tough choice - and it would be tough. As far as the Gladiator, I think it might be pretty cool, but my guess is it will not be priced to compete with similar pickups - it will be "Wrangler" priced.
How often are you buying something big enough that you need a truck bed. Once a year? Maybe 10? Less than once a month? Ford did a study years ago and found that most of their trucks were empty more than 99% of the time. Trucks for most people are an image thing. The fun part about my trailer is that I can pull it in any of my vehicles, minus the Harley. But the Harley can fit in the trailer and my Subaru can pull it. That's a win in my book. I've owned trucks. Other than pulling large trailers, they're borderline useless.

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I love the tacomas, even if they are getting a bit dated. The one reason I'd choose one is that measly JK towing capacity but still getting something somewhat off-roadable. I've got a full size pickup for my camper and hauling crap, so the Jeep can be what it is, which is a toy that does enough to be a midsize SUV. If that was my only vehicle I'd be a bit more strained on making that choice.
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How often are you buying something big enough that you need a truck bed. Once a year? Maybe 10? Less than once a month? Ford did a study years ago and found that most of their trucks were empty more than 99% of the time. Trucks for most people are an image thing. The fun part about my trailer is that I can pull it in any of my vehicles, minus the Harley. But the Harley can fit in the trailer and my Subaru can pull it. That's a win in my book. I've owned trucks. Other than pulling large trailers, they're borderline useless.

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I think it depends on what someone's hobbies are and where they live. If someone is hunting and fishing all the time, a truck makes a lot more sense than someone who lives in a big city and spends all their time there.
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I have a lot of those issues, too. Like you say, nothing catastrophic but I expected more. Also the seating position isn't quite right for me. I've always distinguished between quality and reliability. Can't really comment on reliability after just 7 months, but the quality is not very high. I'm on a Tacoma forum too and that's all the fanboys want to cry "Just get the TSB for that".

I forgot to mention the seating position. The seat sat so low that my back started hurting if I drove for over an hour.

I agree, lots of crybabies and fanboys defending the trucking it’s obvious faults. And I’ve never seen a more cheap, broke ass group of people when it came to selling both the truck and aftermarket parts. No shame at all with this group and all acted like buying a $300 part was going to bankrupt them. Never again.

Jeep owners don’t know how good you have it in regards to the resale parts and vehicle market.


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Let's look at the other side. All you wrangler owners need to buy or rent a trailer just to do some hauling, kind of a pain and not very practical. Oh look, that toolbox is on sale - wait, I have to go home and hook up my trailer.

I am lucky enough to own both, so I do not have that tough choice - and it would be tough. As far as the Gladiator, I think it might be pretty cool, but my guess is it will not be priced to compete with similar pickups - it will be "Wrangler" priced.
How often are you buying something big enough that you need a truck bed. Once a year? Maybe 10? Less than once a month? Ford did a study years ago and found that most of their trucks were empty more than 99% of the time. Trucks for most people are an image thing.
Exactly. If I need to rent a U-Haul trailer for $15-20 only 1-2x a year. Then I don’t need a pickup bed
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I wanted to go this route when I found that I needed a way to haul things, but my HOA and available space around my home would not allow me to store a trailer. That's how I ended up with a pickup and my jku went down the road. Point being not everyone has the ability to keep/store a trailer.


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this is why you dont want to live in a socialist/communist neighborhood everyone, because thats all that HOA's are.


once saw a video where an HOA demanded that a guy get rid of his chevy avalanche, meanwhile his friend had a cadillac escalade ext in a different neighborhood. they swapped the parts and the HOA said he was good to go, then he showed him the paperwork showing it was still a chevy and they just stormed off.






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Huh...let me go on a Jeep forum and ask if a Jeep or Brand X is preferred and not expect to get replies saying Jeep.

With that said, Jeep. 😉
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Huh...let me go on a Jeep forum and ask if a Jeep or Brand X is preferred and not expect to get replies saying Jeep.

With that said, Jeep. 😉
You think I'm just looking for justification?! LOL Probably
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this is why you dont want to live in a socialist/communist neighborhood everyone, because thats all that HOA's are.


once saw a video where an HOA demanded that a guy get rid of his chevy avalanche, meanwhile his friend had a cadillac escalade ext in a different neighborhood. they swapped the parts and the HOA said he was good to go, then he showed him the paperwork showing it was still a chevy and they just stormed off.






BTW, rubicon hands down!


I agree with not wanting to live in an HOA but when your moving for a better school system for your kid you take what the market gives you at that time. If I were able to store a trailer I would have kept my Jeep.


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How often are you buying something big enough that you need a truck bed. Once a year? Maybe 10? Less than once a month? Ford did a study years ago and found that most of their trucks were empty more than 99% of the time. Trucks for most people are an image thing. The fun part about my trailer is that I can pull it in any of my vehicles, minus the Harley. But the Harley can fit in the trailer and my Subaru can pull it. That's a win in my book. I've owned trucks. Other than pulling large trailers, they're borderline useless.

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LOL...and Jeeps aren’t about image? How often does the average owner take his/her Wrangler to the trail? Who really needs 35” tires to get junior from school and take him to soccer practice...? Are that winch and LED light bar useful at the Safeway parking lot...?
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LOL...and Jeeps aren’t about image? How often does the average owner take his/her Wrangler to the trail? Who really needs 35” tires to get junior from school and take him to soccer practice...? Are that winch and LED light bar useful at the Safeway parking lot...?
Yeah, but the Jeep image is cooler so...

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I think it depends on what someone's hobbies are and where they live. If someone is hunting and fishing all the time, a truck makes a lot more sense than someone who lives in a big city and spends all their time there.

Hey... a truck is a really great deal if you have a specific need for it. Towing big trailers, hauling crap... yadda yadda, but as a DD... nahh. It's just a waste.



If however you're dead set on buying a truck for a DD then I strongly suggest AT LEAST a crew cab or similar because the back seats is where most of your stuff is going to go 90% of the time. Stick your groceries in the box without climbing in and tying things down (every single stinking time)... and it's just a spaghetti mess all over the box by the time you get home.... and I'm 57 now... getting into the back of a dammed truck to tie things down is starting to feel like a real chore.
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LOL...and Jeeps aren’t about image? How often does the average owner take his/her Wrangler to the trail? Who really needs 35” tires to get junior from school and take him to soccer practice...? Are that winch and LED light bar useful at the Safeway parking lot...?

Actually I Just got back from the bush about an hour ago.


Funny story too kind of related to this I guess..... I ran into a snow border (he snow machined in) on the power lines and he was watching me climb a fairly steep snow covered cliff where he was boarding, and when I stopped at the top (the wife wanted to take some nature pics) he came up to me and said that he was pretty impressed. I told him that jeeps just want to climb, and he said... yeah... I have a truck but I wouldn't dare be bringing it out on the power lines!



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Actually I Just got back from the bush about an hour ago.


Funny story too kind of related to this I guess..... I ran into a snow border (he snow machined in) on the power lines and he was watching me climb a fairly steep snow covered cliff where he was boarding, and when I stopped at the top (the wife wanted to take some nature pics) he came up to me and said that he was pretty impressed. I told him that jeeps just want to climb, and he said... yeah... I have a truck but I wouldn't dare be bringing it out on the power lines!
Funny.

My buddy is scared to engage 4-lo in his $45,000 Rubicon.

I think he is afraid to break a nail...LOL
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I was about to drop $1500 on a nice trailer for my JK. Instead, I spend $19 the one or two times/year I need one and rent it at UHaul or Home Depot.

Last time I went to do it, they had none. So I rented this huge flatbed truck and I think it cost a total of $27.

For me, it's a no brainer. Either a pickup or a trailer wouldn't get enough use to come close to justifying it.

My dad has a Tacoma and loves it. But he has a massive case of Jeep Envy since seeing my JK a couple of years ago. After seeing the modding I was doing, he did trick out his Tacoma and there were some options but he sort of maxed out what he could justify pretty quick since he didn't want a lift and only does mild off road driving.

He does trailer his golf cart to his gun range two or three times per week, though.
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man I love pickups. Mostly ford pickups, but I have been test driving Toyotas and chevy's. I am kind of over the jeep thing. I wish Ford dealers would order in base Raptors and sell them for MSRP instead of loaded Raptors with $5000+ markups. I wheel a fair amount and I really have not been too many places in my jeep that a Raptor could not go and be more comfortable on the road at 80-85mph and get better mpg.

we were up playing on snowmobile trails (snowmobilers were amazed we were there) and the pickups did fine.


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Once upon a time I was a Toyota Fanboy. Formerly ASE certified, I worked in the service dept at the local dealer from 1994-1999. I still stop in to talk to some of the old tech's. Oh the stories they tell; frame sag, sludge buildup, unrepairable vibrations, on and on. I've owned a number of Toyota vehicles including 4 4x4 trucks, one being a Taco. The last Toyota that was any good had a 22re and was shipped here from Japan. They are no better than anything else on the road, especially when you consider the extra $5k you pay to own it. My'12 Frontier has been better than any of the 6 US built Toyota's I've owned(actually better than the LJ & 3.8 JKU TOO) I'll never understand people's fascination with the Tacoma but then again I don't understand most people.
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I hear you completely.

It was more fun when Jeeps were this “alternative” vehicle that few people got. It was like a well kept secret: they were rare, quirky and affordable. Wrangler was an oddity on the market, on the sales charts, and owners waved excitedly when they ran into each other.

Now everyone and his dog has one or wants one. Wranglers are so common you can’t go to the corner store without running into five others. Waving has become a chore. Popular trails are literally clogged with Wranglers. FCA manages Wrangler like a Disney franchise: “Fun” is manufactured by printing little Jeeps into the cup holders, the windshield, the headlights, the wheels and the hood latches. Popularity has driven prices through the roof and complacency at the factory. Wrangler gets shown or mentioned on every corporate presentation, press release, sales report, profit forecast and dealer meeting. Wrangler has become all about volume and money, and the pressure is on 24/7.
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Did someone say Ranger Raptor? I might have to sell the jeep for that...
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Did someone say Ranger Raptor? I might have to sell the jeep for that...

Ranger Raptor is kind of vaporware in the US market right now. It exists outside the US but to my knowledge Ford haven't said if it's coming here or not. Which is one reason I traded my Rubicon in for this:




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