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Old 05-12-2017, 07:09 AM
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Talk me out of Mopar 2" lift

I'm about to order the Mopar 2" lift 77070095ac, I've read countless pages on different lifts, I can't take anymore. My tires just came in 315/70/17 ko2, got the 4wd great deal. Any down side, the driveshaft is the major selling point, wanna skip exhaust spacers this time. Would add drop brackets in lieu of cam bolts. Thought about Rock krawler stock mod but the whole driveshaft thing confuses me. I think this would keep it complete and simple. What do you think? 2017 2 door rubicon. Any advice, thanks....

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I just put an aev 3.5" on my 16 jkr and it handles so good I have become a fan boy. exhaust spacers are so easy to install on a new vehicle. took about 15 minutes to install mine. I have full droop and driveshaft does not touch.

I was however very much considering the mopar 2" but am glad I went the way I did.
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Nope. I will not talk you out of it. Not only is actually a great lift, but it is written into the Max Care contract as the ONLY lift that would allow you buy and maintain the Max Care MOPAR service plans up to the Lifetime one. It's a really high quality and well appointed kit. I will not talk you out of a great lift.
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I'm about to order the Mopar 2" lift 77070095ac, I've read countless pages on different lifts, I can't take anymore. My tires just came in 315/70/17 ko2, got the 4wd great deal. Any down side, the driveshaft is the major selling point, wanna skip exhaust spacers this time. Would add drop brackets in lieu of cam bolts. Thought about Rock krawler stock mod but the whole driveshaft thing confuses me. I think this would keep it complete and simple. What do you think? 2017 2 door rubicon. Any advice, thanks....
It's a great lift. IF/When I get one it will be the Mopar or an AEV.
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It's a great lift. IF/When I get one it will be the Mopar or an AEV.
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No need to talk you out of it... The Mopar kit with a set of geo brackets is a winner.

The AEV is nice too, but I would take the JKS or the Metalcloak Overland Elite over the AEV. (I don't like the Bilsteins).
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Ive gone wheeling with my setup without installing the driveshaft, no rub! I find it interesting that the Mopar kit comes with a driveshaft when ones like the AEV dont.

If there is any reason why I would not get this lift, it is because I want to be lifted more in the front.
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I just had the Mopar 2" lift installed and LOVE it. Took a trip to Sedona a few days after installation and went everywhere I wanted to go with no issues with anything. I still have the stock wheels and tires for now but love the look and no issues with handling that I've seen. Go for it.
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The Mopar lift is all you need. And I'll never pass up an opportunity to show off mine.
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Ive gone wheeling with my setup without installing the driveshaft, no rub! I find it interesting that the Mopar kit comes with a driveshaft when ones like the AEV dont.

If there is any reason why I would not get this lift, it is because I want to be lifted more in the front.
Throw a 3/4" spacer in the front... About $35 and get what you want.

https://www.quadratec.com/products/16311_406.htm

I just did 1" on my rear springs to get what I needed... Every Jeep is a little different and fine tuning is part of the fun.
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MOPAR is a good kit, bit pricey but good. The driveshaft really isn't needed at that height, I run a teraflex 2.5 with an added spacer and stock driveshaft with no issues



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I'm about to order the Mopar 2" lift 77070095ac, I've read countless pages on different lifts, I can't take anymore. My tires just came in 315/70/17 ko2, got the 4wd great deal. Any down side, the driveshaft is the major selling point, wanna skip exhaust spacers this time. Would add drop brackets in lieu of cam bolts. Thought about Rock krawler stock mod but the whole driveshaft thing confuses me. I think this would keep it complete and simple. What do you think? 2017 2 door rubicon. Any advice, thanks....
what is this 4wd tire deal you speak of?
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MOPAR is a good kit, bit pricey but good. The driveshaft really isn't needed at that height, I run a teraflex 2.5 with an added spacer and stock driveshaft with no issues



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Driveshaft has nothing to do with lift height. It's all about shock length... Teraflex typically uses short shocks to prevent the driveshaft rub. I can make the driveshaft rub with no lift at all, springs will fall out, but still.
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I'm about to order the Mopar 2" lift 77070095ac, I've read countless pages on different lifts, I can't take anymore. My tires just came in 315/70/17 ko2, got the 4wd great deal. Any down side, the driveshaft is the major selling point, wanna skip exhaust spacers this time. Would add drop brackets in lieu of cam bolts. Thought about Rock krawler stock mod but the whole driveshaft thing confuses me. I think this would keep it complete and simple. What do you think? 2017 2 door rubicon. Any advice, thanks....
Sorry Jon,

I can't and won't talk you out of it. I just installed the 4 door version on my JKU and I love it.

I also installed the geo brackets instead of the cam bolts and using the middle hole for the bolt it drives like a dream. It has made my rig a lot more capable of passing obstacles while maintaining DD comfort.

I have ZERO complaints.

I hope to install 35's in the next 3 months. But even on the stock Rubi wheels & tires, it doesnt look awkward.
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Nope. I will not talk you out of it. Not only is actually a great lift, but it is written into the Max Care contract as the ONLY lift that would allow you buy and maintain the Max Care MOPAR service plans up to the Lifetime one. It's a really high quality and well appointed kit. I will not talk you out of a great lift.
That's interesting. Are the parts themselves guaranteed, or does this kit simply not void the warranty on affected systems? You know, the whole "My steering pump failed but they denied my warranty claim because I'm lifted and the suspension technically can affect the steering system" sort of deal. For instance, I was denied a steering recall fix on my 2010 Sport because I had a 1-3/4" spacer lift.
In the past, the Mopar parts catalog expressly stated the parts were under no warranty. It would be great if they finally make a lift kit that had some sort of guarantee on it, and didn't affect your original warranty.
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I was denied a steering recall fix on my 2010 Sport because I had a 1-3/4" spacer lift.
They denied to do a recall repair? Is it even legal to deny repairing a recalled vehicle?
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They denied to do a recall repair? Is it even legal to deny repairing a recalled vehicle?
So they would have me believe.
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Hum about the best thing I can say to talk you out of getting a 2'' lift or more.. is that your garage was built in the late 40's and isn't tall enough to allow for a lifted vehicle.. or that's our theory and one reason a 2'' lift or more is out of the question for us.
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Driveshaft has nothing to do with lift height. It's all about shock length... Teraflex typically uses short shocks to prevent the driveshaft rub. I can make the driveshaft rub with no lift at all, springs will fall out, but still.


In sense it's still lift height, longer shock needs a longer body. Sure you can shove a shock off a 4 inch lift onto a stock jeep and get the shaft to rub but you won't be having a whole lotta upwards travel and you will bottom shock before bumpstop


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Throw a 3/4" spacer in the front... About $35 and get what you want.

https://www.quadratec.com/products/16311_406.htm

I just did 1" on my rear springs to get what I needed... Every Jeep is a little different and fine tuning is part of the fun.
That would be perfect. Thanks for the suggestion. I think I will go with that. Whats crazy is that although this is listed as a 2" lift, it lifted my front about 3.25". If I add the 3/4" spacer, Ill be at 4" lifted in the front!!
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That would be perfect. Thanks for the suggestion. I think I will go with that. Whats crazy is that although this is listed as a 2" lift, it lifted my front about 3.25". If I add the 3/4" spacer, Ill be at 4" lifted in the front!!
Probably the one aspect that keeps me away..... I would love a 2" lift that actually "IS" 2".

I put an OME lift on once, I don't remember what it was called BUT when I shot up like 6" ..... I guarantee I wasn't expecting that.
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If you want a true 2" of lift, what about the Metalcloak or Rockcrawler 1.5" kits?
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If you want a true 2" of lift, what about the Metalcloak or Rockcrawler 1.5" kits?
I know from experience the RK 1.5 and TF 1.5 will both be right at 2" up front and 1" in the back. Also if you want exactly 2" up front and 1.5" in back get an AEV 2" spacer kit.
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In sense it's still lift height, longer shock needs a longer body. Sure you can shove a shock off a 4 inch lift onto a stock jeep and get the shaft to rub but you won't be having a whole lotta upwards travel and you will bottom shock before bumpstop


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I agree... I run a shock for 4-6" lift on my 2.5 because the spring free length I have can handle it and I'm bump stopped for it. I'm just clarifying that it isn't really related to lift height.
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I just had the Mopar 2" lift installed and LOVE it. Took a trip to Sedona a few days after installation and went everywhere I wanted to go with no issues with anything. I still have the stock wheels and tires for now but love the look and no issues with handling that I've seen. Go for it.


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That's interesting. Are the parts themselves guaranteed, or does this kit simply not void the warranty on affected systems? You know, the whole "My steering pump failed but they denied my warranty claim because I'm lifted and the suspension technically can affect the steering system" sort of deal. For instance, I was denied a steering recall fix on my 2010 Sport because I had a 1-3/4" spacer lift.
In the past, the Mopar parts catalog expressly stated the parts were under no warranty. It would be great if they finally make a lift kit that had some sort of guarantee on it, and didn't affect your original warranty.
Written into the Max Care contract is that any modifications void the warranty, aside from the very specifically stated MOPAR 2" lift. Not the 4", only the 2". The Max Care lifetime service contract is not a warranty, your warranty is the 3/36 5/60 that comes with the vehicle. The Max Care is the add on "service contract", and as such it is in no way protected by the Mag/Moss.

The lift parts themselves carry (I believe) a 2 year warranty currently. The Max Care would not cover those lift parts, but would cover the entire remainder of the vehicle, bumper to bumper, just like your 3/36 does until the term is up or if the lifetime is optioned... until the cost of a repair is greater than the value of the vehicle. When you get to that point, they give you a check for the value of the vehicle and your free to add cash to make the repairs or use it as a down payment.. or buy vodka and blow. The contract has then ended.

No other lift, be it a spacer lift or another companies 2" lift is acceptable under the MOPAR Max Care as the 2017 contract states. The other stipulation is that the MOPAR 2" kit must be installed by a FCA dealership.

So if you have a newer Jeep (Under 4 years/40K miles) and your thinking about the popular FCA/MOPAR Max Care service contract... the MOPAR 2" lift is your only viable option.

If you want to buy that, you likely want to look up Tom Winkles at Hayes Jeep and buy over the phone for $100 over cost. Far far less than just about any other dealership will sell to you. It matters nay where you purchase the Max Care, any and all FCA dealerships honor it, as it is a FCA product and stands in enforcement at all FCA dealers. Any additional changes other than cosmetic are grounds for immediate contract termination. So bumpers and winch is cool. RCV shafts and Adams driveshaft are not cool. And they do not piece meal the warranty and omit those additional parts... its all voided per the contract rules if you violate the terms.

But the good thing is that as you see above in many posts, the MOPAR Performance 2" lift kit is a very nicely appointed set up that performs well. You will get over 3" of actual lift, even with bumpers and winch.

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I know from experience the RK 1.5 and TF 1.5 will both be right at 2" up front and 1" in the back. Also if you want exactly 2" up front and 1.5" in back get an AEV 2" spacer kit.
There are definitely some decent components out now at the lower heights. I really like the MC 1.5 springs for a 4dr. Although at that lower height, I would use front lowers instead of the brackets in their kit. Same with the new Rancho 2", I'd buy the springs and do a simple build around them.

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That would be perfect. Thanks for the suggestion. I think I will go with that. Whats crazy is that although this is listed as a 2" lift, it lifted my front about 3.25". If I add the 3/4" spacer, Ill be at 4" lifted in the front!!
Yep, my 2.5 was about 3.25 in front as well... Which is only a little more than expected and would have been right on if I had a winch.
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The other stipulation is that the MOPAR 2" kit must be installed by a FCA dealership.

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Just sucks that you have to have the dealer put it on then go home and effectively take it off and put it on again yourself to verify it's done right...

But if running a new Jeep and you want that coverage, I get it.

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