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Old 08-21-2019, 06:55 PM   #1681
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Sounds like a notably better ride over the previous Bilsteins? I know you mentioned in my inquiry thread you were going to try these out. For me it's between Falcon 2.1 (if I can figure out the difference between sport and standard) and replacement AEV Bilstein. 3.3 is nice I'm sure, but I'm not sure I want to futz with the added reservoir, or lighten my wallet quite that much...


There is nothing wrong with the bilsteins. Like I said in the other thread, Iíve run 4 sets of them on every Jk Iíve had since 2012. The thing with the AEV tuned Bilsteins is they are tuned to a specific spring and driving characteristic that AEV thinks is the best under all driving conditions, and their target Jeep us a fully loaded, heavily armored Jeep used for overlanding purposes or driving fast on-road. Makes for a pretty harsh ride under any other driving condition.

This is my first venture into an adjustable shock & so far Iím very happy I did. If Iím running heavy or want to drive hard & fast in 30 seconds I can go to a firm shock. If Iím rock crawling or just want to drive slow & cushy I can set it to soft. Some people donít want to be bothered with adjusting and that was me too, until now. Iím totally sold on it on-road & cant wait to see what the capabilities are off-road. I can say on road Iím pushing he Jeep harder & faster than I ever did with the Bilsteins. Everything just feels more secure, settled & stable.

The flexibility would probably be even greater with a softer spring. The AEV springs are fairly stiff to begin with, but itís still nice to be able to adjust the ride relative to the task at hand.


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Sounds like a notably better ride over the previous Bilsteins? I know you mentioned in my inquiry thread you were going to try these out. For me it's between Falcon 2.1 (if I can figure out the difference between sport and standard) and replacement AEV Bilstein. 3.3 is nice I'm sure, but I'm not sure I want to futz with the added reservoir, or lighten my wallet quite that much...
I replaced my aev bilstein with a 3.3. I am a bit heavy and to me those bilsteins are underdamped for my setup. The rebound on the 3.3s (i assume the 2.1s as well) are slower, and compression is obviously adjustable, can be made stiffer or softer than bilsteins. It took care of the heavy side to side swaying, and i am able to take hits and dips without bottoming. This was the only reason i swapped out to this more expensive shocks and i am glad it solved my problems. Note that if you are getting a 3.3, make sure you get the rock slider. Mine took a couple of hits in rocky colorado.

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That's probably the biggest mistake people make... myself included in the beginning. Most people change up the suspension and the wheels but run at a tire pressure MUCH higher than needed and end up bouncing over bumps instead of rolling over them. The recommended tire pressure for falcon 3.3's straight from teraflex is 25psi. I now run at about 27 which seems pretty good.


I no longer have any complaints over the 3.3 ride anymore. It feels better than stock now. It's just that dammed squeak every so often from what seems to be the left rear shock. It happens infrequently enough though so I can live with it, but for the price of the shocks..... I shouldn't have to.
When you say 27 you mean , 27 cold?

I run 28 warm, so thatís about 25 26 cold, depending on mth of yr.
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It's a precaution now... The 2.5-3.5 Falcon's are too long for the TF 2.5 springs. Would be too long for the AEV 2.5 springs also. I persoanlly think they should re-do their nomenclature to be 1.5" to 2.5" and 3" to 4" and 4" and above for their 3 versions...
Yea my 2.5 MC springs same thing for the rear shocks, a little too long, red more bumpstop.
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It's a precaution now... The 2.5-3.5 Falcon's are too long for the TF 2.5 springs. Would be too long for the AEV 2.5 springs also. I persoanlly think they should re-do their nomenclature to be 1.5" to 2.5" and 3" to 4" and 4" and above for their 3 versions...
After reading your post I checked their site, guess they heard you. Unless I misunderstood what you were referring to.
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After reading your post I checked their site, guess they heard you. Unless I misunderstood what you were referring to.
ROFL... I doubt they heard me, they just figured it out too. That's good on them. Great shock, long travel and good ride quality. Hopefully now, people will be more likely to choose the right ones.
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Does everyone here that has falcons do 25 for off-road and 30-35 for pavement.

I do 25/26 cold, which is 28 warm for pavement. I do 25 warm for off-road usually, which I guess is 22 cold.

Once I get compressor I want to go lower for off-road.

35 is way too high for even pavement, unless massive load.
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The Falcon adjustables that I've ridden in seem to stay around 2.1 to 2.3 at the most... Hope you like them, let us know!
Based on the falcon chart, it looks like the first 4 squares are the setting 1, the middle 7 are the adjustable 2.1-2.7, and 5e last 4 squares are setting 3.

Does that make sense for you that have the 3.3 falcons.

So my 2.1 falcons are like setting 1 and 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 range.
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Sounds like a notably better ride over the previous Bilsteins? I know you mentioned in my inquiry thread you were going to try these out. For me it's between Falcon 2.1 (if I can figure out the difference between sport and standard) and replacement AEV Bilstein. 3.3 is nice I'm sure, but I'm not sure I want to futz with the added reservoir, or lighten my wallet quite that much...
Sports are prob to firm, unless off-road a lot.

3.1 falcons have 2.1 and 2.1 sport combined.
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No matter which Falcons you get they will handle awesome and not do great on small expansion joints. Always a trade off.
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No matter which Falcons you get they will handle awesome and not do great on small expansion joints. Always a trade off.
Hey man, I have the 2.1 falcons, do you think the 3.1 and 3.3 set on high 2s or 3 are that much firmer then the 2.1, that you can fly fast and itís still sweet, because the 2.1 falcons are nice when I go faster. That would mean you really could fly with the 3.1 or 3.3 which is wicked.

Canít wait to get adjustable to have both ranges.
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Hey man, I have the 2.1 falcons, do you think the 3.1 and 3.3 set on high 2s or 3 are that much firmer then the 2.1, that you can fly fast and itís still sweet, because the 2.1 falcons are nice when I go faster. That would mean you really could fly with the 3.1 or 3.3 which is wicked.



Canít wait to get adjustable to have both ranges.

I donít know if you can go fast off road since I never used 3 setting. On road it was way too stiff for me. Since I do 95% of my driving in the city under 45 mph the Falcons 2.1ís were too firm on expansion joints. The 3.3ís were slightly better when set on 1. If handling is what you prefer then the Falcons are great. If comfort is what you prefer then in my opinion Falcons are not the shock for that. If you get a shock that is too soft then handling/cornering will suffer. If they are too firm then comfort will suffer. I have yet to find an off the shelf shock that is perfect and Iíve tried many. Iím currently running the JRiís and on setting 1 they are pretty good. My friend drove my Jeep yesterday and said she loved it. I drove hers and know why she preferred it. Hers has stock rubicon shocks and is way under dampened. I believe with a Jeep you will never find that perfect ride. You will have to settle on something. There are too many variables and a solid axle is the biggest hurdle.
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I donít know if you can go fast off road since I never used 3 setting. On road it was way too stiff for me. Since I do 95% of my driving in the city under 45 mph the Falcons 2.1ís were too firm on expansion joints. The 3.3ís were slightly better when set on 1. If handling is what you prefer then the Falcons are great. If comfort is what you prefer then in my opinion Falcons are not the shock for that. If you get a shock that is too soft then handling/cornering will suffer. If they are too firm then comfort will suffer. I have yet to find an off the shelf shock that is perfect and Iíve tried many. Iím currently running the JRiís and on setting 1 they are pretty good. My friend drove my Jeep yesterday and said she loved it. I drove hers and know why she preferred it. Hers has stock rubicon shocks and is way under dampened. I believe with a Jeep you will never find that perfect ride. You will have to settle on something. There are too many variables and a solid axle is the biggest hurdle.
I agree with that. I kinda wish I'd gone with Fox 2.0 adjustables since I hear they're a better "comfort" shock.
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There are 2 different Falcon 2.1's. Regular and sport. Sport = stiff. I have the regular and they are OK. Not soft but not brutal stiff. I hear a trick is to get shocks for the 2 door if you want softer ones on the 4 door. Or,,, just go with a King Coilover system and get it dialed the way you want.
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There are 2 different Falcon 2.1's. Regular and sport. Sport = stiff. I have the regular and they are OK. Not soft but not brutal stiff. I hear a trick is to get shocks for the 2 door if you want softer ones on the 4 door. Or,,, just go with a King Coilover system and get it dialed the way you want.
Perhaps it is foolish, but that is where I am headed. I am a little over the top sometimes.

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Perhaps it is foolish, but that is where I am headed. I am a little over the top sometimes.
I would call the Falcon Factory for some tech advice on that. They will know the valving in each. Post back.
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Running the 3.3s on my Jeep I found that they were a compromise between tire pressure and shock settings. I run soft. 2.2-2.3 typically. As others have said, even at softer settings, expansion joints and small square edge bumps were jarring. This was until I dialed in tire pressure. Running the C rated 38” Patagonia’s at 27 - 28 psi they were good at absorbing the harshness of the smaller bumps. The shocks kept the tires planted and the Jeep under control.
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I donít know if you can go fast off road since I never used 3 setting. On road it was way too stiff for me. Since I do 95% of my driving in the city under 45 mph the Falcons 2.1ís were too firm on expansion joints. The 3.3ís were slightly better when set on 1. If handling is what you prefer then the Falcons are great. If comfort is what you prefer then in my opinion Falcons are not the shock for that. If you get a shock that is too soft then handling/cornering will suffer. If they are too firm then comfort will suffer. I have yet to find an off the shelf shock that is perfect and Iíve tried many. Iím currently running the JRiís and on setting 1 they are pretty good. My friend drove my Jeep yesterday and said she loved it. I drove hers and know why she preferred it. Hers has stock rubicon shocks and is way under dampened. I believe with a Jeep you will never find that perfect ride. You will have to settle on something. There are too many variables and a solid axle is the biggest hurdle.

I see what your saying, so the 3.3 would be a hair better for comfort on setting 1 and have that race feel on setting 3 that the 2.1 and 2.1 sports do not.

I am not sure if I would ever try to go that fast that I need the firmest settings, it would love to know I can.

I hear you on the no perfect shock setup.

Now that I am used to charging those small bumps, these 2.1 falcons are f ing sweet.

I am going to get adjustables when I can though.
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Are coil overs that much better then custom valves to your springs spring rate and weight of your own Jeep king adjustables? Because I am not researching now but like the 3.3 falcons and the custom valves Kong’s adjustables right now, for when I get adjustables.

I like the custom part to specifically tune it to whatever springs I am using and the exact weight from stock takeoffs and Putons

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I would call the Falcon Factory for some tech advice on that. They will know the valving in each. Post back.
This would be nice to see, for each falcon, and have that same info for kings, although kings are custom to each Jeep weight and spring rate.

I would like to know the difference between these two shock brands in that because I like to know. 5he difference between 1500 and 2250 isint terrible but for 650 the 2.1 are very nice and I am satisfied, but I want resivoirs.


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Running the 3.3s on my Jeep I found that they were a compromise between tire pressure and shock settings. I run soft. 2.2-2.3 typically. As others have said, even at softer settings, expansion joints and small square edge bumps were jarring. This was until I dialed in tire pressure. Running the 38” Patagonia’s at 27 - 28 psi they were good at absorbing the harshness of the smaller bumps. The shocks kept the tires planted and the Jeep under control.
How do you like those tires, I have trail grapplers and they are nice, but I am eyeing those Patagonia’s.

I use 25 psi cold for a sweet 28 warm ride on 2.1 falcons.

If I can be convinced that the 3.3 falcons are close to custom kings in quality and ride then I have a tuff choice when I finally get adjustables
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Running the 3.3s on my Jeep I found that they were a compromise between tire pressure and shock settings. I run soft. 2.2-2.3 typically. As others have said, even at softer settings, expansion joints and small square edge bumps were jarring. This was until I dialed in tire pressure. Running the 38Ē Patagoniaís at 27 - 28 psi they were good at absorbing the harshness of the smaller bumps. The shocks kept the tires planted and the Jeep under control.
I'm on the 3.1's and closest I can say is they feel like the 2.1-2.2 setting. I am running my Patagonia's at 28psi and find this to be an excellent balance of ride quality. I still feel more than I would with a P rated tire, but I'm not complaining...
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How do the 3.3s compare to the Rancho 9ks? I know there different type shows (mono vs reservoir) but in terms of ride quality, are the 3.3s that much better?. Trying to figure if is be worth changing from the R9ks to the 3.3s or not aside from the 3.3s being slot easier to adjust.
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Are coil overs that much better then custom valves to your springs spring rate and weight of your own Jeep king adjustables? Because I am not researching now but like the 3.3 falcons and the custom valves Kongís adjustables right now, for when I get adjustables.

I like the custom part to specifically tune it to whatever springs I am using and the exact weight from stock takeoffs and Putons



This would be nice to see, for each falcon, and have that same info for kings, although kings are custom to each Jeep weight and spring rate.

I would like to know the difference between these two shock brands in that because I like to know. 5he difference between 1500 and 2250 isint terrible but for 650 the 2.1 are very nice and I am satisfied, but I want resivoirs.




How do you like those tires, I have trail grapplers and they are nice, but I am eyeing those Patagoniaís.

I use 25 psi cold for a sweet 28 warm ride on 2.1 falcons.
Why? racing baja? Looks? I would bet 95% of the people who get reservoir shocks don't really need them..me included and I offroad a lot. Reservoir shocks don't fade as fast but that is a non issue for most and Reservoir shocks can give more travel but that too is a non issue for most. I have been to Moab many times and have had 8" travel shocks and 10" travel shocks and did the same trails with the same results.
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How do the 3.3s compare to the Rancho 9ks? I know there different type shows (mono vs reservoir) but in terms of ride quality, are the 3.3s that much better?. Trying to figure if is be worth changing from the R9ks to the 3.3s or not aside from the 3.3s being slot easier to adjust.
I went from the Rancho 9000s to the Falcon 3.3s. The Falcons provide a more stable ride with a lot less sway. The Ranchos when I ran them had a very boat like feel to them with a lot of body roll. Disclaimer here... I also run Antirocks so someone with stock sway bars probably wouldn't have as much of a problem but without a doubt the Falcons provide a much more controlled ride. Especially at highway speeds.
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Are coil overs that much better then custom valves to your springs spring rate and weight of your own Jeep king adjustables? Because I am not researching now but like the 3.3 falcons and the custom valves Kong’s adjustables right now, for when I get adjustables.

I like the custom part to specifically tune it to whatever springs I am using and the exact weight from stock takeoffs and Putons



This would be nice to see, for each falcon, and have that same info for kings, although kings are custom to each Jeep weight and spring rate.

I would like to know the difference between these two shock brands in that because I like to know. 5he difference between 1500 and 2250 isint terrible but for 650 the 2.1 are very nice and I am satisfied, but I want resivoirs.




How do you like those tires, I have trail grapplers and they are nice, but I am eyeing those Patagonia’s.

I use 25 psi cold for a sweet 28 warm ride on 2.1 falcons.

If I can be convinced that the 3.3 falcons are close to custom kings in quality and ride then I have a tuff choice when I finally get adjustables
I don't know if they are that much better. I have not tried them yet. Others I have heard from say that they like them better, but it is easy to say that when you spent that much on them. It would suck to spend that much and not convince yourself they are better.
I like the technical aspects of coilovers, you can set the springs at each corner. And it should be fairly easy to change the ride height, allowing a lower ride height for day to day driving and a higher ride height for off roading at, say, Moab.
And I will admit I like the look of them. The reality is we likely would be fine without coilovers. But I like the technical side of modding the Jeep. I like doing trick things like that. And I really want something that allows me to set the ride height as required. I don't need that, but I want that. To be clear, our Jeep has a number of things that it doesn't need but that I want. For me it is about making the experience more enjoyable.
In the end, time will tell on how well the King coilovers work. First I have to install them, still waiting on them to show up (just ordered them from Krawl).
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Are coil overs that much better then custom valves to your springs spring rate and weight of your own Jeep king adjustables? Because I am not researching now but like the 3.3 falcons and the custom valves Kongís adjustables right now, for when I get adjustables.

I like the custom part to specifically tune it to whatever springs I am using and the exact weight from stock takeoffs and Putons



This would be nice to see, for each falcon, and have that same info for kings, although kings are custom to each Jeep weight and spring rate.

I would like to know the difference between these two shock brands in that because I like to know. 5he difference between 1500 and 2250 isint terrible but for 650 the 2.1 are very nice and I am satisfied, but I want resivoirs.




How do you like those tires, I have trail grapplers and they are nice, but I am eyeing those Patagoniaís.

I use 25 psi cold for a sweet 28 warm ride on 2.1 falcons.

If I can be convinced that the 3.3 falcons are close to custom kings in quality and ride then I have a tuff choice when I finally get adjustables

I like them a lot. I was running 37 x 13.5 Nitto Mud Graps but they are an E rated tire and provided a really harsh ride. I used to run them at 22psi around town and my mileage suffered hard but at that pressure they didn't beat you to death. The C rated Patagonias are like riding on marshmallows compared to the Nittos. I got my mileage back with the higher inflated pressure I run with them and even with the beadlock wheels they are lighter. I don't want to complain about tire noise of the Mud Graps because you just have to expect that a tire like that will be loud but I certainly have no complaints about the Pats being basically silent. I don't expect them to last 60,000 miles, I don't believe that they are quite as durable as the Nittos are and I don't expect them to handle the greasy Northeast mud up here as well but I will deal. I am glad I purchased them.
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ok so now I am confused. For my 3.3 on 37s, I shouldnt be set at 35 PSI for on road?
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The Falcon adjustables that I've ridden in seem to stay around 2.1 to 2.3 at the most... Hope you like them, let us know!
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I think you hit the nail on the head P! Tried 2.1 yesterday and may have been slightly too floaty/bouncy. 2.3 today on the way in to work and almost perfect, maybe slightly on the firm side. 2.3 or 2.2 may be the sweet spot for DD on my rig. Results will vary based on springs of course.

I'm really looking forward to trying 1 with some slow rock crawling though! May not get the chance for another month on that one.

BTW it looks like this has corrected the rocking/swaying I used to get over curbs, speedbumps, etc. Will be some time again until I can test on large rock drop-offs but very pleased so far...
Does your handling on the highway suffer with the softer shock setting? I've found that with MC springs, the softer setting on the shock leads to a bit of wandering on the highway... I run all 4 on my jeep at 2.7...
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ok so now I am confused. For my 3.3 on 37s, I shouldnt be set at 35 PSI for on road?
i would not run that high but give it a try it is a free mod and easily reversible
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ok so now I am confused. For my 3.3 on 37s, I shouldnt be set at 35 PSI for on road?
We have different shocks but 37" tires. We run 28 - 30 psi on the road and between 12 and 16 psi off road. TeraFlex appears to recommend 25 psi with their shocks, but that seems like a generic number and I can't imagine it is right for different tire sizes.
Higher pressure like 35 psi would likely give you a firmer ride and better fuel mileage. But a lower pressure would likely deliver better ride comfort and grip.
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are you saying shock setting pressure or tire pressure?

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