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Old 08-28-2019, 02:19 PM   #1711
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are you saying shock setting pressure or tire pressure?

That's tire pressure. The Falcon 3.3's have adjustments 1,2.x,3 with 2 having a range from 2.1-2.8.



Its confusing, there are many factors going into the jeep ride... tire pressure, shocks, springs, c/a bushings, sway bars.

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Does your handling on the highway suffer with the softer shock setting? I've found that with MC springs, the softer setting on the shock leads to a bit of wandering on the highway... I run all 4 on my jeep at 2.7...
I've noticed no difference in wandering at any compression dampening setting. Jeep drives just as straight (with no hand on the wheel) at 2.1 as it does in 3. The only difference I notice between the settings for DD is how much I notice small bumps/expansion joints (more noticeable at the higher compression settings) versus the ability to dampen large bumps (speedbumps, curbs, etc) without getting 'bouncy' and keeping the tires planted at the lower settings. I found that to be 2.3 with the AEV 3.5 springs I'm running. would probably be different for the MCs depending on if the spring rate is softer or firmer, or even due to wheelbase differences on the 2 door or 4 door for that matter (I've got a 2 Door).

Are you sure the wandering is due to shock compression settings? When I get an issue like that I usually look at tire pressure (tracking/trammeling), axle caster angle or alignment before looking at other possible causes.
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I've noticed no difference in wandering at any compression dampening setting. Jeep drives just as straight (with no hand on the wheel) at 2.1 as it does in 3. The only difference I notice between the settings for DD is how much I notice small bumps/expansion joints (more noticeable at the higher compression settings) versus the ability to dampen large bumps (speedbumps, curbs, etc) without getting 'bouncy' and keeping the tires planted at the lower settings. I found that to be 2.3 with the AEV 3.5 springs I'm running. would probably be different for the MCs depending on if the spring rate is softer or firmer, or even due to wheelbase differences on the 2 door or 4 door for that matter (I've got a 2 Door).

Are you sure the wandering is due to shock compression settings? When I get an issue like that I usually look at tire pressure (tracking/trammeling), axle caster angle or alignment before looking at other possible causes.
My caster angle, alignment numbers, and tire wearing are all within the generally accepted ranges for jeeps. I have another post on this forum somewhere where I posted up everything to try and solve the issue but everything checked out.

Tuning the shocks definitely does what you describe as well but at higher speeds I find that the jeep doesn't track as well on the softer settings as it does on the upper 2's-3.
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That's tire pressure. The Falcon 3.3's have adjustments 1,2.x,3 with 2 having a range from 2.1-2.8.



Its confusing, there are many factors going into the jeep ride... tire pressure, shocks, springs, c/a bushings, sway bars.
so follow the chart for on-road as in setting "35 PSI" on the shock, correct
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so follow the chart for on-road as in setting "35 PSI" on the shock, correct
no that is tire psi you can not change psi on shocks.
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no that is tire psi you can not change psi on shocks.
let me rephrase, does everyone follow the setting suggestion from Teraflex for the shock setting for on road?
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My caster angle, alignment numbers, and tire wearing are all within the generally accepted ranges for jeeps. I have another post on this forum somewhere where I posted up everything to try and solve the issue but everything checked out.



Tuning the shocks definitely does what you describe as well but at higher speeds I find that the jeep doesn't track as well on the softer settings as it does on the upper 2's-3.


I havenít noticed that effect personally, but honestly I donít put that many highway only miles on it. If I do notice anything Iíll post up.


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let me rephrase, does everyone follow the setting suggestion from Teraflex for the shock setting for on road?
I think they recommend 25 psi for all conditions. I think what the chart intends to say is that "typically" people run 35 psi on the road and 10-12 psi (or whatever the range is) offroad, but the Falcons are "tuned" for 25 psi in all conditions.

Not saying I agree with it, but thats how I interpret their graphic
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I like them a lot. I was running 37 x 13.5 Nitto Mud Graps but they are an E rated tire and provided a really harsh ride. I used to run them at 22psi around town and my mileage suffered hard but at that pressure they didn't beat you to death. The C rated Patagonias are like riding on marshmallows compared to the Nittos. I got my mileage back with the higher inflated pressure I run with them and even with the beadlock wheels they are lighter. I don't want to complain about tire noise of the Mud Graps because you just have to expect that a tire like that will be loud but I certainly have no complaints about the Pats being basically silent. I don't expect them to last 60,000 miles, I don't believe that they are quite as durable as the Nittos are and I don't expect them to handle the greasy Northeast mud up here as well but I will deal. I am glad I purchased them.
Thanks good info I always like info from people who had what I have and have now what I am thinking about, for options.

The trail grapplers are much better then the bfgoodwrench mud tires I had km2 for tire wear and that is why I liked the Nittos for longer lasting. I only got 22k in two yrs with the km2 and could have used them a bit longer but like new tires when, I Need to. They got loud when down to 6-8/19 thread depth and I just wanted tuffer rubber the soft km2.

Now like your saying about Patagoniaís they are softer then Nittos being C and I like the weight factor for performance. So not looking for 22k again but like more comfort and weight lighter about the Patagoniaís compared to my nittos.

Right now I like the cooper and Patagoniaís the most. Like your saying C are better for those things and I need to see on weight. Looks are important and to me the tires I have tried km2 looked to soft round edges once used enough and the Nittos look to sharp edge to neat kind of look.

Thatís where the coopers and Patagoniaís look good for looks.
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Why? racing baja? Looks? I would bet 95% of the people who get reservoir shocks don't really need them..me included and I offroad a lot. Reservoir shocks don't fade as fast but that is a non issue for most and Reservoir shocks can give more travel but that too is a non issue for most. I have been to Moab many times and have had 8" travel shocks and 10" travel shocks and did the same trails with the same results.
Sure I do not really need them. I like the 2.1 falcons a lot now, more then I did at first, a lot more, ow that I dialed in the psi.

I just thought think reservoir shocks are better for performance, not really wanting the longer travel part of it. Just a better quality shock, having 100% of oil in the shock and not the 75/25 split gas section.

The only reason I like the kings s the custom valved shim stacks to any spring rate of springs I have and factoring the weight of, my Jeep, and not a general range for jk.

I am still researching and havenít in mths in the shocks because I pretty much, think, I got it down to adjustable falcons or Kongís.

I do go for looks not just performance and I am not looking to waste money. But if I am going from 650 falcons to 1750 or 2250 adjustable then I would rather get the better quality and matched shock for my Jeep. I am still a couple yrs away from doing that, get get use from 2.1 falcons first. Just want to plan ahead and get good advice from you guys so I do not do something dumb and dumber.

Appreciate your realistic and keeping it honest posts, that helps save money.

Dallas has said heís tried a lot of stuff and there ainít much difference in any of it, with the better brands so I try to use the advice from people here to not waste. Anyways I like the 2.1 falcons a lot, it would have to be a better shock then I fine with the price. As of now I think the adjustables are better, but I have no idea since I havenít even tried them yet.

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I havenít noticed that effect personally, but honestly I donít put that many highway only miles on it. If I do notice anything Iíll post up.


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With 34s the nexus 2.2 on soft was good for steering wheel but didnít track as well as medium.

The medium setting makes you Finnish your turn with steering wheel but it tracks better.

This is why I like adjustables so I have the option and know I can change my mind or go with something different anytime I want.

The nexus 2.2 makes a big difference from setting to setting.
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I think they recommend 25 psi for all conditions. I think what the chart intends to say is that "typically" people run 35 psi on the road and 10-12 psi (or whatever the range is) offroad, but the Falcons are "tuned" for 25 psi in all conditions.

Not saying I agree with it, but thats how I interpret their graphic
Thatís what I got from that. I just happen to run 25 cold/28 warm for on road so that works for the tuning part nicely. Air down lower then 25 so wonder if thereís really any difference on dirt at 15/20 compared to 25, for the shocks part of it.
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With 34s the nexus 2.2 on soft was good for steering wheel but didn’t track as well as medium.



The medium setting makes you Finnish your turn with steering wheel but it tracks better.



This is why I like adjustables so I have the option and know I can change my mind or go with something different anytime I want.



The nexus 2.2 makes a big difference from setting to setting.


He was asking me about wandering with the settings on my 3.3 shocks. I don’t run a nexus SS. I’ve never run any pressurized steering stabilizers on any of my rigs. If I run any its a non-pressurized dampener like the stocker, OME or steersmarts SS.

The part I’m struggling with regarding mdn’s query is, "in theory" shocks should have no affect on straight line tracking on a live axle vehicle. If the compression was too soft or too stiff, you could have tire contact issues that could cause lateral movement over bumps, but regardless of how floaty or stiff the frame/body is over the axles, if the alignment/tire pressure/caster is right, that corner compression shouldn’t affect straight line tracking in any quantifiable way. Maybe what he is feeling is the float over the axles at the softer settings at speed and that feels less stable? Like it's wandering off line??

If we’re talking steering stabilizers, absolutely that would affect it (generally a push or pull depending on settings if adjustable, mounting, etc), which is why I personally don’t run pressurized stabilizers


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Trying to read all the threads I can and make the right shock purchase for my set up. It is such a big purchase and spending more money doesnít always equal the best set up for you. I have a mostly daily driver 2017 Sahara Unlimited smoky mountain addition. I will be putting the TeraFlex coil spring performance leveling kit on her and wanted a nice set of shocks and stabilizer to match. Probably will stick in the 32 to 33 inch tires range and will only be very occasionally light wheeling off road, mostly mall cruiserÖ Sadly enough

With this kind of set up what I see benefits in the adjustable shocks and stabilizer? Thanks in advance


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Trying to read all the threads I can and make the right shock purchase for my set up. It is such a big purchase and spending more money doesnít always equal the best set up for you. I have a mostly daily driver 2017 Sahara Unlimited smoky mountain addition. I will be putting the TeraFlex coil spring performance leveling kit on her and wanted a nice set of shocks and stabilizer to match. Probably will stick in the 32 to 33 inch tires range and will only be very occasionally light wheeling off road, mostly mall cruiserÖ Sadly enough

With this kind of set up what I see benefits in the adjustable shocks and stabilizer? Thanks in advance


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Well Iíve tried the Falcon 2.1 and 3.3 plus the JRi adjustable shocks. Iím happier with my RockSport shocks. I believe an adjustable shock is only necessary in a small amount of situations that 90% of Jeeps wonít ever be in.
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Well Iíve tried the Falcon 2.1 and 3.3 plus the JRi adjustable shocks. Iím happier with my RockSport shocks. I believe an adjustable shock is only necessary in a small amount of situations that 90% of Jeeps wonít ever be in.


I think you absolutely correct itís my ego that makes me want something better than I need. Thank you for the reply.

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Go with the MC RockSport shocks and the MC 3 1/2 dual rate springs. A buddy did that and it rides better than mine in my sig. Add the MC bumpstops for a great off road ability when bottoming out the suspension. Get adjustable track bars and control arms with factory type bushings. My buddy with the MC suspension can take bigger bumps and still rides better on the freeway than mine.
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I have a 2dr Wrangler sahara with a teraflex leveling kit (cheap version) and Falcon's 3.1. The difference with the stock shocks is like night and day, both on and off road.

Personally I don't feel the need of the adjusting knob. But consider the falcons 3.1 are upgradeable to 3.3 if needed.

I think the knob should be useful in few situation: if you drive off road with 5 people aboard and/or steel bumpers and winch, etc. Also, high speed bumps mean a longer travel and possibly bottom out's.
In these and few other situations, adjusting to a firmer setting should help, I think.

I am not a suspensions expert, these are just my considerations, hope it help
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The more you slow down the suspension action with shocks, the stiffer the ride will feel. Stiff springs + stiff shocks = lumberwagon ride.
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The more you slow down the suspension action with shocks, the stiffer the ride will feel. Stiff springs + stiff shocks = lumberwagon ride.



Truth! When I'm driving down a switch back on a ski resort mountain trail in the summer, I want my suspension as stiff as possible. Sticking to the ground is my main objective, comfort is sticking to the trail at that point, not soft, forgiving ride. That is less than 1% of my driving, but that 1% makes it worth it. Then for my daily driving I can switch back to 1 for a softer ride. That's is where the adjustable shocks are worth it. If you ask yourself, how often will i use that? The answer that those few times that you really need it, makes it worth it. Everyone's situation is different, but that is my philosophy with jeeping. Overbuild, and enjoy.
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Go with the MC RockSport shocks and the MC 3 1/2 dual rate springs. A buddy did that and it rides better than mine in my sig. Add the MC bumpstops for a great off road ability when bottoming out the suspension. Get adjustable track bars and control arms with factory type bushings. My buddy with the MC suspension can take bigger bumps and still rides better on the freeway than mine.
Hey man, not many people have one and falcons. How do you like that and can you explain your, ride, I know every Jeep is different, I just interested in a one spring drivers thoughtson that. My MC springs are starting to bend/bow a little and was planning on new springs when I get adjustables, if I do get adjustables, for a set of fresh springs.

For what I know now, was just going to stick with Mc springs or try mopar. I hear mopar is good. Always like ome and love Australian stuff, I have arb bumper. Only way to know is try it and get info before so I do not waste money as a dude told me heís tried most things and there isint much difference in any of them.

Just little differences so I am interested in ome springs compared to Mc and mopar.

I would like a tighter ride, with the comfort of good shocks springs combo. To me the Mc and falcons are nice and feel good comfort wise. Though I, think, I want a tighter ride, to where it feels tighter and just as comfortable. The kind of tight I got from when I first got a Mc track bars, it made it tight and still good ride.
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Truth! When I'm driving down a switch back on a ski resort mountain trail in the summer, I want my suspension as stiff as possible. Sticking to the ground is my main objective, comfort is sticking to the trail at that point, not soft, forgiving ride. That is less than 1% of my driving, but that 1% makes it worth it. Then for my daily driving I can switch back to 1 for a softer ride. That's is where the adjustable shocks are worth it. If you ask yourself, how often will i use that? The answer that those few times that you really need it, makes it worth it. Everyone's situation is different, but that is my philosophy with jeeping. Overbuild, and enjoy.
Yea I am that way, it’s worth it for when I want it. I have the nexus stabilizer and had it on soft for first yr because of turning back to center the easiest like a car. Then a yr later, this spring, I tried the settings firm medium and soft again and really like the firmer setting of medium then the soft, for daily driving.

It tightened the steering and has the Jeep track better. Would not have been able to do that if I was stuck with the nexus 2.1 love that I can do that.

I am sure the 3s are nice, I just want the access to adjust anytime now or in a yr like that or like you said on different terrain.

Like mud tires wear faster, i off-road 10% of time, still have mud tires because they work better off-road and I like the look.
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I have a 2016 JKU sport and a Rubicon Express 2.5" coil lift. Does anyone know if I'll need to do anything with my bump stops to run these? I can't find info on the RE springs length. I'm hoping these will be a good all around shock and help my Jeep feel more stable on the freeway. I'm looking at the 2.1's specifically. Thanks
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PS I'm replacing the worn Rubicon Express monotube shocks that came in the kit so I'm sure anything will be better.
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Old 12-20-2019, 04:40 PM   #1736
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Thank you Sir. I held off from joining as long as possible because I have a problem modifying vehicles. Basically, I can’t leave anything alone lol So I’m trying to make good decisions and hopefully only buy once.
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How much bump stop are you running with your 2.5" lift. The Falcon 2.1 shocks will need some extra bump stop as even the shortest version is too long compressed to work without additional bump stop. The 3 series Falcons are better at that, requiring less additional bump stop as they are shorter compressed.
I emailed TF a while back and they were able to provide me a number for each shock as to how much additional bump stop it would take to run that shock. At first they did not understand the request, and said things like " it depends on which springs you are running". But once I got them to understand that this particular question is just about the bump stops and springs having nothing to do with that, they were able to give me hard numbers. This is a quote from the last email in the chain.
"Sorry for all the confusion. After that last email I sent you. I had found a chart of what my engineering team had made up for bump stop and shock charts. For a wrangler with 2.5” of lift and running the 1.5”-2” falcon monotubes you will need a front bump stop that measures 1.25” and a rear bump stop of 1.375”. If you decide to go with the Falcon piggyback set up for 1.5”-2” series you will need a front bump stop of 1.25” and a rear bump stop of 1.5”. if you went to the taller series of shock (2.5”-3.5”) you would need 3.125” up front for the monotube and 2.75”.
I don't know how accurate their information is, that seemed like a lot of bump stop to run the Falcon 2.1 shocks for a 2.5" - 3.5" lift height. Then I asked them about the shortest version of the 3 series and they said this.
"If you run the piggyback 3.3 shocks in the shortest version 0”-2” you would need a front bump stop of 1.25” and a rear bump stop of 1.5”.
But I think others on here have found you can get away with a little less bump stop than what they said. But the 2.1's do need like an inch or so more bump stop than the 3 series as they are a longer shock compressed than the 3 series.
Perhaps the shorter 2.1 series will work out for you with a 2.5" lift assuming you have a little extra bump stop.
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Old 12-21-2019, 05:43 PM   #1738
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I am running 35" tires so I have the optional 2" bump stops(RE1380) installed to limit up travel.

If I am understanding what you're saying, the 2.1's need the bump stops to limit up travel as well, correct?
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Old 12-21-2019, 05:43 PM   #1739
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And thanks for your help!
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Old 12-22-2019, 10:53 AM   #1740
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I am running 3.1's in the shortest version ie 1.5-2.5 and i have 3" actual lift and 1" bumps front and rear and on the ramp and in real world testing do not bottom out but use almost all of my available uptravel. Real world testing in Moab on big rock trails and sand wash whoopdeedoos at speed. If you don't bottom in those situations I doubt you will bottom. I have posted photos before but I use a small zip tie on the rods so I can see exactly how they do and with the 1" bumpstops have about 1/2" of safety net before the shocks actually bottom out. So I guess if I were going to swap out my 3.1 for the 2.1 i would add another inch of bumpstop to be safe and flex it out and see where I was at.

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