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Old 07-10-2019, 01:16 PM
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Tire Rotation with Spare Tire involved

Bought a stock 2012 Sahara about 6 months ago and plan to rotate the tires. The owners manual only shows how to rotate with 4 tires not 5. Where does the spare go and which position goes back on the tail gate?

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Print it out and hand it to them at service time.
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Pic on right. Get a piece of chalk and mark your tires before hand to ensure all found their way home.
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As long as it's the same each time

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Print it out and hand it to them at service time.
Pic on right. Get a piece of chalk and mark your tires before hand to ensure all found their way home.
I don't think it matters which way you rotate of these two methods. As long as you do the same way on future rotations, you'll be fine. I'd recommend some sort of marker under the spare tire (on the bracket) that indicates your rotation method. I know I'd forget between rotations!

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I don't think it matters which way you rotate of these two methods. As long as you do the same way on future rotations, you'll be fine. I'd recommend some sort of marker under the spare tire (on the bracket) that indicates your rotation method. I know I'd forget between rotations!

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That's why I said "print it out" and hand it to them (each time) so it gets done the same way each time. Until you know and trust the tech a quick chalk slash ensures each tire is landing correctly.
At $300 each - not too much effort required to ensure it is done correctly.
I do my own and still pull out the picture each time I do it.

I have a cheat sheet inside my service record book....
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I do my own and still pull out the picture each time I do it.

I have a cheat sheet inside my service record book....
Same here. I have mine in the little pocket that's in the Jeep tool kit holder and it also has the torque spec written on it.

I always look at it just to be sure.
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This is the one I found:

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It's rare that I don't rotate my own even though they're kinda heavy, but when I go to Discount Tire, I always print this out and ask them to use it, which they do.

If you have someone else do it, just do yourself a favor and check that the lugs are torqued. Peace of mind >*
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i measure the tread depth on all tires. i put the two highest on front lowest on carrier and other two on rear.

some people with certain lockers may wear out rear tires faster, especially with heavy pedal on corners, so they may need highest on rear.
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This is the one I found:

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That pic is on my phone, and gets taken out to the garage with me whenever I rotate.

Also important with aluminum alloy wheels, to re-check the lug nuts after 500 miles. Especially if they are lug centric and not hub centric.
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I use the one Skull showed. It’s printed out and I hand it right to the tech, and tell him this way only. Been doing this for years with all my Wranglers.
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i measure the tread depth on all tires. i put the two highest on front lowest on carrier and other two on rear.

some people with certain lockers may wear out rear tires faster, especially with heavy pedal on corners, so they may need highest on rear.
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Question; since it's also about rotation hope the OP won't mind. My new to me 2018 JK has 18000 miles and it looks like the previous owner rotated the 4 tires but the spare, not. Still has the mold spikes and full tread. Can I rotate it in or is it to late in the life of the other 4?
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what don't you understand?

the reason to rotate is for even wear. front wears faster. agree?

some lockers will lock up with torque applied which means rear tires will lock up around corners with torque applied which will cause premature wear. agree?
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I have found that the Jeep dealership and other service centers in my area (Indianapolis) rotate front to back and that's it. They'll cross if asked or do what's shown in the pictures above, but they all look at me like I'm weird.
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Pixeldecals sells a sticker, I put it right on the spare mount.
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Question; since it's also about rotation hope the OP won't mind. My new to me 2018 JK has 18000 miles and it looks like the previous owner rotated the 4 tires but the spare, not. Still has the mold spikes and full tread. Can I rotate it in or is it to late in the life of the other 4?
I'd measure depth. Finicky Subaru specs 2/32" and 3/32" as limits, and that's with AWD. An open diff 2wd like ours can tolerate a variance that's greater than that on the drive axle. Offroad in 4wd variance doesn't matter at all, nor would it matter much on the steer axle.

Post what you measure. Pick up one of the credit card measurers at the Costco tire center, Discount Tire location, etc.

Or go by math. You probably have 50k mile tires, from 11/32" new to 4/32" replace. 50k/7 = 7143 miles per 1/32" wear. So your 18k should be about 2.5/32" down. Which is perfectly fine to rotate in. Maybe keep the spare on the drive axle longer to wear it down faster, bouncing side to side for a few rotations.
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I have found that the Jeep dealership and other service centers in my area (Indianapolis) rotate front to back and that's it. They'll cross if asked or do what's shown in the pictures above, but they all look at me like I'm weird.
That's what mine does, too. I took my GC in for one of its free Jeep Wave oil changes and tire rotations. It has a smaller spare so only a 4-tire rotation. I asked the service advisor what pattern they would use and he said front to back, same side. I replied that's not the correct way to do it on a 4WD vehicle. He looked at me like a deer in the headlights and I replied that I'll rotate them myself.

That's half the reason I do my own. The other is when they used to rotate them on my car I swear they'd crank up an impact gun to 300 ft lbs on those lug nuts. I could not get some of them loose with an old torque wrench set at its max 150 ft lbs that I use as a breaker bar.
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Question; since it's also about rotation hope the OP won't mind. My new to me 2018 JK has 18000 miles and it looks like the previous owner rotated the 4 tires but the spare, not. Still has the mold spikes and full tread. Can I rotate it in or is it to late in the life of the other 4?
Rotate it in per the 5 tire rotation chart shown and pop open a cold one. The Jeep won't know the difference and you'll prolong the life of all of your tires in the process.
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I have found that the Jeep dealership and other service centers in my area (Indianapolis) rotate front to back and that's it. They'll cross if asked or do what's shown in the pictures above, but they all look at me like I'm weird.
Once I witness a shop move the right tires to the left and left to right and sent the customer away; and it wasn't a vette or any other sport car with different wheel sizes front and back.
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For decades when doing a four tire rotation, it was a simple cross, not a front to back. I started this in 1989 after have some vibration from my tires on a Jeep Cherokee. A wise tire mechanic told me to cross them so the slight feathering would wear off when the rotation is reversed. As a result I got good tire wear over the life of the tires. Side note - the pickup I drover for 8 years and rotated regularly never had the spare removed. I sold the truck to a friend and he has not gone through three more sets of tires (the truck now has over 200,000 miles, and the spare is still the factory one that has never been removed). The current tires wouldn't fit under the back anyway.

When I first got my TJ it had a crappy spare that was (IMHO) good only to get me to the tire shop to get the good tire repaired, so it also got a four tire cross rotation. However, when the 2015 Sahara followed me home, I looked at five tire rotations to involve the spare, and all had at least one tire that went from back to front (or vice versa) without being reversed. That means that tire does not get reversed for two cycles.

I devised a five tire rotation that reverses the rotation of every tire on the ground. It is not that complex. The left front tire does stay on the front by going to the right front, but IMHO, the reversal is more important than swapping to the rear. I put the spare on the RR, then RR to LF, then LF to RF, then RF to LR and finally LR to spare. Yes on the next cycle that tire goes back on the rear but in so doing it also reverses it's rotation. Of course actually needing the spare in more than a temporary situation will upset this process, but would if it had to be put in any location.
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I still have to refer back to this site every time I do a rotation.
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I devised a five tire rotation that reverses the rotation of every tire on the ground. It is not that complex. The left front tire does stay on the front by going to the right front, but IMHO, the reversal is more important than swapping to the rear. I put the spare on the RR, then RR to LF, then LF to RF, then RF to LR and finally LR to spare. Yes on the next cycle that tire goes back on the rear but in so doing it also reverses it's rotation. Of course actually needing the spare in more than a temporary situation will upset this process, but would if it had to be put in any location.
There's a reason the rear tires get rotated straight to the front, same side, on a 4WD and RWD vehicle. It gives the tread a chance to "relax" before changing direction.
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There's a reason the rear tires get rotated straight to the front, same side, on a 4WD and RWD vehicle. It gives the tread a chance to "relax" before changing direction.
Not sure if you are saying this tongue-in-cheek, but the real reason is because the wear pattern is already set based on the tires being mounted on the same side of the vehicle. By moving the rears forward and keeping them on the same side of the vehicle, the existing wear pattern is maintained causing less of a chance for a belt to separate and to minimize the chance for a front end vibration. Crossing the fronts to the rear on a FWD vehicle is the preferred method, while moving the rears directly forward and keeping them on the same side.
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I rub my tires with CBD oil..... I think they may be too relaxed now.
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I devised a five tire rotation that reverses the rotation of every tire on the ground. It is not that complex. The left front tire does stay on the front by going to the right front, but IMHO, the reversal is more important than swapping to the rear. I put the spare on the RR, then RR to LF, then LF to RF, then RF to LR and finally LR to spare. Yes on the next cycle that tire goes back on the rear but in so doing it also reverses it's rotation.
I think I am going to try this pattern my next tire rotation. I have MTs and after two cycles of the same direction the rears are loud as after a tire rotation for at least 500-700 miles. This is with a 3000 mile interval too.
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Not sure if you are saying this tongue-in-cheek, but the real reason is because the wear pattern is already set based on the tires being mounted on the same side of the vehicle. By moving the rears forward and keeping them on the same side of the vehicle, the existing wear pattern is maintained causing less of a chance for a belt to separate and to minimize the chance for a front end vibration. Crossing the fronts to the rear on a FWD vehicle is the preferred method, while moving the rears directly forward and keeping them on the same side.
"Relaxing" the tread is the term some of the experts used on a website when they were replying to the question of why the rear tires should not be turned around right away when rotating them on a 4WD or RWD vehicle. Yes, the fronts cross when being moved to the rear.

I use that pattern on my GC 4-tire rotation, which has a smaller spare, and the diagrams posted earlier in this thread when I do a 5-tire rotation on my wife's JK.
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"Relaxing" the tread is the term some of the experts used on a website when they were replying to the question of why the rear tires should not be turned around right away when rotating them on a 4WD or RWD vehicle. Yes, the fronts cross when being moved to the rear.

I use that pattern on my GC 4-tire rotation, which has a smaller spare, and the diagrams posted earlier in this thread when I do a 5-tire rotation on my wife's JK.
Possible someone misunderstood the term. I'm familiar with relaxation length in tires, as it refers to the slip angle and cornering force. That has nothing to do with what you're describing unless they somehow were stating it would contribute to speed wobble. Speed wobble, slip angle, and relaxation length and Jeeps? LMFAO

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