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Old 12-26-2019, 10:56 PM
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Tow rated rear bumper with spare at reasonable cost?

Any good rear bumpers? I bought a barricade metal version and its rusting like a raw piece of metal in the ocean. Absolute crap, I wish I did it right the first time.

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I really like my Poison Spyder Bruiser bumper. Integrated tow hitch on it with optional hole pre cut for the swing gate spare tire holder. Not inexpensive but solid for the money IMO.




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Thanks. Can the door actually carry the load of a 35inch wheel?

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I'm not sure there is such a thing as a (legal) "tow rated" bumper. Every one which I have seen is marked "for off road use only". That's another way of saying "non dot approved"
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Thanks. Can the door actually carry the load of a 35inch wheel?

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Smittybilt, Rugged Ridge and Teraflex all make door mounted tire carriers

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I'm not sure there is such a thing as a (legal) "tow rated" bumper. Every one which I have seen is marked "for off road use only". That's another way of saying "non dot approved"
Poison Spyder has a couple of models and so does Smitty and DV8
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Dv8 has a class 3 rated hitch. But the swing arm suffered a manufacturing change in China and requires modifications to operate correctly. (I have it, I figured it out) if I had a do over I would go with a better hinge and stock carrier replacement. Then find a stamped steel aev style rear bumper for the full width look or a more flush setup with a cut out for the factory hitch.
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Smittybilt, Rugged Ridge and Teraflex all make door mounted tire carriers



Poison Spyder has a couple of models and so does Smitty and DV8
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As mentioned, a number of companies offer braces to reinforce the stock hinges.
Also, if cost is an issue I would rather buy a used higher quality bumper than a new cheaper bumper.
My brother found a used ARB front bumper for his wife's JK. Great bumper at half the price of a new one. It was in great shape as well, being that it was well made from the get go.
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Thanks. Can the door actually carry the load of a 35inch wheel?

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Sorry I should have mentioned I also have the Teraflex HD hinge and spare tire mount on mine. It will support up to a 37, after that I would need to get the PS swing gate that mounts in my pre cut bumper hole shown.


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I'm not sure there is such a thing as a (legal) "tow rated" bumper. Every one which I have seen is marked "for off road use only". That's another way of saying "non dot approved"


Good point, nowhere does it say DOT approved but here is a screenshot stating it is Class 3




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I am not sure DOT "approves" class 2 or 3 trailer hitches in the United States. The class rating is by the SAE. I don't know of any DOT requirements for trailer hitches.
I know other countries are different, but I haven't seen anything indicating that DOT "approves" trailer hitches in this country.
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I am not sure DOT "approves" class 2 or 3 trailer hitches. The class rating is by the SAE. I don't know of any DOT requirements for trailer hitches.
I know other countries are different, but I haven't seen anything indicating that DOT "approves" trailer hitches.

Well, it's kind of a gray area because the hitch is integrated right into the bumper, which makes the hitch only as strong as the bumper and its mounting points. Granted I'm not sure what those mounting points are from bumper to bumper... but it's worth thinking about.
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Well, it's kind of a gray area because the hitch is integrated right into the bumper, which makes the hitch only as strong as the bumper and its mounting points. Granted I'm not sure what those mounting points are from bumper to bumper... but it's worth thinking about.
Our AEV bumpers (front and rear) are what I would connect to if I needed to winch our vehicle out of a bad situation. That process might involve applying upwards of 10,000 lbs of force to the bumper. I am fairly confident that towing with a hitch mounted bumper would be easier on the bumper than that.
But clearly, buying a quality bumper is a good idea. If you don't trust the bumper you are looking at buying, buy a different bumper. The bumper can be an important piece of safety equipment.
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Well, it's kind of a gray area because the hitch is integrated right into the bumper, which makes the hitch only as strong as the bumper and its mounting points. Granted I'm not sure what those mounting points are from bumper to bumper... but it's worth thinking about.


The PS Bruiser bumper I have mounts directly to the frame on each side. Seems pretty stout IMO.


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The PS Bruiser bumper I have mounts directly to the frame on each side. Seems pretty stout IMO.


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It probably is. I'm just thinking about this from a law and insurance POV. What happens if your trailer for what ever reason ends up in the ditch over some hitch/receiver issue and your insurance guy finds out it's a hitch receiver coming off of an aftermarket bumper. Are you covered, or not?


I have no idea.. just asking.
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It doesn't matter if it's an aftermarket bumper or not. If the aftermarket (or Mopar Performance) part that failed states "for off road use only" then coverage isn't your main concern at that point.

If it's just you, Allstate probably won't notice anything. If someone else is involved, gets hurt and lawyers up, the body shop bill will be a tiny part of the overall bill: you're an evil Jeeper menacing the roadways with offroad equipment!
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dot approved?
In my search for a tow rated bumper, I never found DOT approved as part of the listings. I did however notice that Class III specifications is an important declaration for the bumpers manufacturers will differentiate between. Looking deeper into the solutions, the Smittybilt and Poison Spyder are at the upper end of that quality rating. All the tow rated bumpers, seemed to have the 4 bolts through the rear of the frame like the OEM mount plus 2 additional bolts on outside frame.

https://shop.poisonspyder.com/JK-Cra...7-65-010p1.htm
https://www.smittybilt.com/product/index/261.htm
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In my search for a tow rated bumper, I never found DOT approved as part of the listings. I did however notice that Class III specifications is an important declaration for the bumpers manufacturers will differentiate between. Looking deeper into the solutions, the Smittybilt and Poison Spyder are at the upper end of that quality rating. All the tow rated bumpers, seemed to have the 4 bolts through the rear of the frame like the OEM mount plus 2 additional bolts on outside frame.

https://shop.poisonspyder.com/JK-Cra...7-65-010p1.htm
https://www.smittybilt.com/product/index/261.htm



Yeah.... Very clearly as not only you point out but also @GuzziMoto , I was dead stinking wrong in the idea of dot approval on hitches, but there does seem to be a required SAE spec on them, which none of these bumpers seems to state or advertise. They all seem to state "meets or exceeds class [whatever] rating but fail to state "...SAE..."


On the other hand if you look at a REAL trailer hitch, somewhere in the fine print it outright states:


"..... meets or exceeds V5 CSA and SAE J684 standards....."


I can't find that anywhere on the aev, poisonspyder, or smittybuilt websites. Now if that's not an issue with the insurance companies then it's no big deal, but if it is.....
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It probably is. I'm just thinking about this from a law and insurance POV. What happens if your trailer for what ever reason ends up in the ditch over some hitch/receiver issue and your insurance guy finds out it's a hitch receiver coming off of an aftermarket bumper. Are you covered, or not?


I have no idea.. just asking.


I agree. Honestly if I’m gonna tow something I will borrow a friends truck. I just use the hitch for a mountain bike rack at this point. I wouldn’t trust my 2 door with a short wheel base to keep pointed in the right direction towing anything.


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I agree. Honestly if I’m gonna tow something I will borrow a friends truck. I just use the hitch for a mountain bike rack at this point. I wouldn’t trust my 2 door with a short wheel base to keep pointed in the right direction towing anything.


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Well, personally speaking it doesn't matter to me. I pull scrap and utility trailers. If I lose one.... because insurance won't pay then, oh well. But if you're pulling a $20,000 boat it's a different story. One may want to run this by their insurance company just to make sure.
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I've had the AEV bumpers on my 10 for several years and they are holding up well. Not too heavy, blend well with the jeeps lines, well made and finished, feel jeep will be safer in an accident, especially with a rear collision. No fading or corrosion. However, I do keep them clean and wipe them down occasionally with 303 protectant. The rear is notched to allow use of the stock oem receiver. Doubt there would be any legal/liability issues to arise since jeep sold the same bumpers on a few of their models.
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I've had the AEV bumpers on my 10 for several years and they are holding up well. Not too heavy, blend well with the jeeps lines, well made and finished, feel jeep will be safer in an accident, especially with a rear collision. No fading or corrosion. However, I do keep them clean and wipe them down occasionally with 303 protectant. The rear is notched to allow use of the stock oem receiver. Doubt there would be any legal/liability issues to arise since jeep sold the same bumpers on a few of their models.
Oh I like that notched idea. I'll take a look. I have a barricade front bumper that i like because its aluminum and doesnt corrode like steel so its holding up very well.

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