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Old 10-17-2018, 12:59 PM
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Question Towing trailer very short distances exceeding vehicle specs - shuttle

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We camp at a campground with a storage area and would like to keep a travel trailer there just to shuttle between camp sites and the storage area. Say, 1500-2500 feet. Unfortunately every travel trailer we find under 3500 lb GVW and 350 lb tongue weight are very small and/or crazy expensive.
We would be glad to have the travel trailer moved to the campground and we hope to shuttle it between storage and camp sites about 4-6 times a year. There is no option to take a site for a season.

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No one will ever recommend exceeding vehicle specifications. All answers will be taken as hypothetical and implicitly without liability. We already know we should never ever under, any circumstance, do what we are speaking of.

Question 1:
Does anyone have any practical idea of how much tongue weight we can handle without doing actual damage to the frame, suspension and axel? (We know it will be hard on springs/shocks etc)

Question 2:
Same kind of question but trailer total actual weight that we can roll very slowly in low gear and still overcome somewhat soft grass areas and inertia. We don't expect to exceed 2-3 mph even once on gravel.

Any experiences, advice or speculation would be helpful.

PS - This is a small campground with no tractor to shuttle trailers. The nearest person we can find who does shuttling for hire lives 40 minutes away making a regular thing unreasonable.

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You didn't say how much weight you're talking about, but in general I think that slow going and if you're not on a public roadway you're fine up to double the rating.

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You are not going far, fast or on public roadways. I wouldn't worry about the listed towing capacity. A Jeep will pull well above the listed tow specs. The problem is stopping. If you are only going 2500' and can do that at 5-10 mph, you can stop.
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Good timing. I have been shuttling freshly cut firewood from the State forest to my home recently. There was a monster wind storm that came through and resulted in dozens of oak trees uprooted. Total distance would be about 10 miles with 1 or 2 of those on winding and hilly 2 tracks.


The heaviest load out I will guess to be 3/4 of a cord of red and white oak. These trees are loaded with moisture and the average weight is right about 4,900 pounds to a cord. The heaviest load 3,675 pounds of wood on a 600 pound trailer, totalling approximately 4,300 pounds. The other loads were not much less. The JK pulls it fine but the stopping requires a little more time.


I used 4-low to get through some mud and up some of the rises but once on a good road it was all 2-high. Definitely not a high speed chore, slow and easy makes the day.
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Wow, just want to say that I'm glad to see that kind of wisdom and common sense in replies!

On pretty much all other forums that kind of questions usually attract an angry mob of Tow Nazis who immediately starting to shame OP and promising his/her vehicle to explode in pieces if he/she would ever think about going above manufacturer's tow rating or (God forbid!) hitch weight.

Ask me how I know, lol
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Ask me how I know, lol
Your vehicle exploded in pieces?

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Your vehicle exploded in pieces?

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Not yet, but should have long time ago according to some towing gurus

Btw, vehicle in question wasn't my Jeep, it was a Subaru Outback 3.6l (known for its hitch weight rating of whopping 200lbs)
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Not yet, but should have long time ago according to some towing gurus

Btw, vehicle in question wasn't my Jeep, it was a Subaru Outback 3.6l (known for its hitch weight rating of whopping 200lbs)
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Bought a R-pod weighing 2600 empty 3300 loaded. Pullled 100 miles home with with trailer brakes and a junk stabilizing hitch. White nuckled all the way. Adjusted trailer brakes. Bought the highest rated stabilizing weight distribution hitch.I swap tires from 32's Km's to to Wrangler Sr 28'Towed 2k round trip last month over the Appalations.That said Toung weight is a killer. I wouldn't tow it around the farm without traier brakes.
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Background:
We camp at a campground with a storage area and would like to keep a travel trailer there just to shuttle between camp sites and the storage area. Say, 1500-2500 feet. Unfortunately every travel trailer we find under 3500 lb GVW and 350 lb tongue weight are very small and/or crazy expensive.
We would be glad to have the travel trailer moved to the campground and we hope to shuttle it between storage and camp sites about 4-6 times a year. There is no option to take a site for a season.

What we know:
No one will ever recommend exceeding vehicle specifications. All answers will be taken as hypothetical and implicitly without liability. We already know we should never ever under, any circumstance, do what we are speaking of.

Question 1:
Does anyone have any practical idea of how much tongue weight we can handle without doing actual damage to the frame, suspension and axel? (We know it will be hard on springs/shocks etc)

Question 2:
Same kind of question but trailer total actual weight that we can roll very slowly in low gear and still overcome somewhat soft grass areas and inertia. We don't expect to exceed 2-3 mph even once on gravel.

Any experiences, advice or speculation would be helpful.

PS - This is a small campground with no tractor to shuttle trailers. The nearest person we can find who does shuttling for hire lives 40 minutes away making a regular thing unreasonable.
Welcome to WF. Home Depot rents a 1/2 ton pickup for $19 for the first hour. The other thought would be to ask a fellow camper if they壇 be willing help you out. Good luck.
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The vehicle itself is physically capable of much more than advertised tow ratings, but it's not safe to tow that kind of weight on the highway due to handling, braking, abrupt maneuvers, etc. What you need to worry about is tongue weight. At slow speeds the jeep will pull just about any weight of camper (might need 4 low but that's ok). Anything with a tongue weight of less than 1000 should be fine, but I'd keep it closer to like 600. Tongue weight is generally about 10% of total trailer weight which would put you around 6k for the trailer. Much more options in that weight range for what you're looking for.

If your looking to buy a trailer, bring the jeep along with a truck that can actually tow it safely on the road. Hook the trailer up to the jeep to see if the jeep can handle the squat, then tow it to the campgrounds with the truck.
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You will be fine with what you are planning. The JK in Australia is rated at almost 500 lbs tongue weight and 5000 lbs pulling. Since you are not pulling on the highway just get your tongue weight as light as possible. Because you are not pulling at speed you don't have to worry about trailer sway.
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Because you are apparently towing on private property, I would not worry about the tow ratings. Federal law, and the tow ratings are based on a variety of things, not the least of which is the ability to brake from 35 mph in a very short distance. It doesn’t how much your vehicle sags if it doesn’t meet this basic requirement, and we all know a load leveling hitch can make a vehicle level, no matter the weight of the trailer. Since you will be towing at low speed, your Jeeps braking ability should be sufficient. Personally, I would test it to make sure I was comfortable with the ability to stop.
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I would do it without blinking.
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One thing to think about, if you were to get involved in a accident and lawyers get brought in to the case and it has been determined that your tow vehicle is not within the specs for the trailer you were pulling, the insurance can deny the claim and you could be on your own. This is talked about on travel trailers forums all the time, towing with a vehicle that is under rated for the trailer you are towing. Just remember anything can happen.

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Welcome to WF. Home Depot rents a 1/2 ton pickup for $19 for the first hour. The other thought would be to ask a fellow camper if they’d be willing help you out. Good luck.

I like these options!

Maybe it’s me, but a requirement to have a TT is having the proper tow vehicle. I’ve been searching travel trailers, it’s actually the #1 reason I traded off my Jeep- it’s simeply not a tow vehicle. While I don’t have recent experience, I’ve been watching a lot of yotube (which has to make it true right?!)and something that is commonly talked about, is other campers willingness to help. Seems you could make some friends, grill em a nice dinner and have some drinks, next day tow your rig.
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One thing to think about, if you were to get involved in a accident and lawyers get brought in to the case and it has been determined that your tow vehicle is not within the specs for the trailer you were pulling, the insurance can deny the claim and you could be on your own. This is talked about on travel trailers forums all the time, towing with a vehicle that is under rated for the trailer you are towing. Just remember anything can happen.

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I like these options!

Maybe it痴 me, but a requirement to have a TT is having the proper tow vehicle. I致e been searching travel trailers, it痴 actually the #1 reason I traded off my Jeep- it痴 simeply not a tow vehicle. While I don稚 have recent experience, I致e been watching a lot of yotube (which has to make it true right?!)and something that is commonly talked about, is other campers willingness to help. Seems you could make some friends, grill em a nice dinner and have some drinks, next day tow your rig.
Did either of you actually read the entire OP's post. He is moving the trailer from a storage complex at the camp ground to the camp site all on private property. Hell I wouldn't hesitate to pull 10,000 lbs provided I could keep the tongue weight down.
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Did either of you actually read the entire OP's post. He is moving the trailer from a storage complex at the camp ground to the camp site all on private property. Hell I wouldn't hesitate to pull 10,000 lbs provided I could keep the tongue weight down.
Yes, and my answer remains the same. Go ahead pull 10k tough guy, hell pull it in vette too!
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Scratch my previous answer.

You are going to die if you do this. Not only that, but the campground will appear as if a nuclear explosion happened, and all lied for hundreds of miles will be disrupted if you tow this trailer. You stand a risk if your Jeep is even in the near vicinity of the trailer. Obviously, nothing less than a full vehicle transport team is enough to tow your trailer across a private parking lot. Don’t forget the flag cars, and professional spotters to do this menial task. Last night I saw someone towing a trailer out of a storage facility with a tractor, of all things, and I am sure there is not a trailer tow rating for it. It was amazing the devastation!
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Yes, and my answer remains the same. Go ahead pull 10k tough guy, hell pull it in vette too!
You guys are to funny. So let me understand you, you need go out and spend $40K plus for a proper tow vehicle or beg to have someone tow it for you 2500 feet in a private campground where speeds probably never exceed 5 mph and is probably fairly flat. Ya, right.

Hell before I did any of those I would get a 9,000 lbs. Remote Controlled Trailer Mover, hell of a lot cheaper than another vehicle. But then again the Jeep will be just fine.

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