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Old 06-07-2013, 04:26 PM
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Tried a diesel 2013 rubicon unlimited

Hi from Sweden

Tried a diesel 2013 rubicon unlimited today and and can only compare to my 2 door sahara wrangler 2012 pentastar.

Rubicon have not been for sale in many years in sweden but this year the imported 19 diesel rubicons for the hole country.

I only tried it on a parkinglot, and things is always greener on the other side, but I feelt it had no go, it was so slow as a traktor and was sounding as one.

I felt no power at all. I find the pentastar little bit scary some time to the power it has. I dont like diesel at all.


The diesel cost much more here, the rubicon unlimited diesel cost only about

54 645,59 dollars here

I now you from US You always want diesel, but have tried one?

But if you like no acc, sounds like a tratcor, and have better torque?
The diesel is might for You.

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I would not mind a diesel...but that is because I want to one day make my own bio-diesel.

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I have a dodge with the cummins. With all the upgrades I have done, It makes over 600h.p. and 1,000 ft lbs of torque. So I know the possibilities. I would definitely buy the diesel.
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I am guessing that the Wrangler diesel is a loud snail. No interest in one unless it is quiet, has enough power, and is reliable. That remains to be seen.
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I am guessing that the Wrangler diesel is a loud snail. No interest in one unless it is quiet, has enough power, and is reliable. That remains to be seen.
From what I understand it will have the same diesel as the grand Cherokee. 240 h.p. and 420 ft lbs of torque. I don't think that will be a snail
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Umm...that is true...if it turns out to be true.
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Diesels drive different than gas engines. They don't jump up and and zoom away from a light (unless it is highly modified) but they have low end grunt. Kind of like the big guy at the end of a tug-o-war rope. Pull, pull, pull, step, step, step. They seem like they will grunt their way through anything. There is a reason why 18-wheelers are diesel.

They also seem to be more reliable and get far better fuel mileage. A Volkswagen TDI will out mileage a Prius any day. Lastly, gasoline prices seem to be moving past diesel prices which I figured they would.
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I will stick with my gas. I don't like engines that knock, rattle and smoke. Whether they are supposed to or not.
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Usually you have to get on the pedal for the turbo on a diesel to really dig in due to lag. The power is probably there, just don't baby the pedal.
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I will stick with my gas. I don't like engines that knock, rattle and smoke. Whether they are supposed to or not.
Have you been around a modern diesel?
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Thanks for the info Omar. good to hear some info from someone who has actually been in one.

Now I'm wondering if (even if the diesel may not be that awesome now) is more modable than the 3.6 and 3.8. I hate having a whole section of my jeep that I dont even get to work on.
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Thanks for the info Omar. good to hear some info from someone who has actually been in one.

Now I'm wondering if (even if the diesel may not be that awesome now) is more modable than the 3.6 and 3.8. I hate having a whole section of my jeep that I dont even get to work on.
Banks has a 3.0L VM Motori diesel they've been working on. Mods will be there if sought.
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Have you been around a modern diesel?
Why yes I have.
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The diesel in Europe isn't the same one that we get in the US with the GC. The eurodiesel is a 4 banger.
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The diesel in Europe isn't the same one that we get in the US with the GC. The eurodiesel is a 4 banger.
Yup, inline 2.8L.
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Why yes I have.
Apparently not. They haven't rattled and knocked in over a decade
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2.8L or 3.0L, I would have a turbo back exhaust without the muffler so I could listen to the turbo talk to me as it spools.
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2.8L or 3.0L, I would have a turbo back exhaust without the muffler so I could listen to the turbo talk to me as it spools.
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Guess with a turbo diesel the metal mulisha 5" exhaust tips would fit a bit better. Haha
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And you wouldn't have the head problems that the 3.6 are plagued with
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I will stick with my gas. I don't like engines that knock, rattle and smoke. Whether they are supposed to or not.
Haven't seen a diesel smoke since I was working 70's era Detroit's.

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Have you been around a modern diesel?
I was thinking the same thing.
My wife's TDI Audi is quite, plenty powerful, and doesn't make a hint of smoke. And no DEF either.

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And you wouldn't have the head problems that the 3.6 are plagued with
So true. I would love a GC diesel or a JK with a diesel. However I made the mistake on buying the first year Pentacrap in a JK and it was a terrible mistake. I would wait a year at least and see how they pan out.
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Coming from Euroland I've owned a few decent diesel cars, including a BMW 330d and a Volvo D5 (2.4L turbo diesel station wagon). They were really good bits of kit, quiet and responsive and powerful, but I'm not sure I'd want one in a Jeep. The improved consumption figures are attractive, but a V6 just makes sense up there.
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I would be a for the diesel they're putting in the 1500 ram and the grand Cherokee. Unless modified most diesels don't have that throw you into your seat snappiness... But they'll pull a darn house down... And the good ones have much more longevity. I'm a territory manager for cummins and if the 6.7 wasn't so big and heavy I'd love one in the wrangler. Actually Id prefer the 5.9. Problem is towing capacity of the motor far exceeds the wrangler and the transmissions.. Assuming they would attempt to use the same trannys. Imagine that 8 speed or whatever it is that is in the ram 1500. Hello 25+ mpg wrangler.
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Coming from Euroland I've owned a few decent diesel cars, including a BMW 330d and a Volvo D5 (2.4L turbo diesel station wagon). They were really good bits of kit, quiet and responsive and powerful, but I'm not sure I'd want one in a Jeep. The improved consumption figures are attractive, but a V6 just makes sense up there.
^^ I lived in Europe for 8 years and drove a ton of diesels in cars, SUVs, and vans up to 2011 (including honda accords!).

Whoever said modern diesels don't smoke is (pardon the pun) blowing smoke up your ass. They are called oil burners for a reason. Diesels blow smoke when you step on it. If you've found one that doesn't, well hell, why do we even have gas-powered motors??

Diesels are great because you get low-end torque and better fuel economy. But, that comes at a cost. Increased emissions and less refinement. Not to say that they haven't made HUGE improvements in the last decade, but if you've driven a diesel manual, you'll know that it's not that fun. You're in top gear at 25 mph.

If you're talking daily driver, i'd take a gas-powered wrangler any day. If you're mostly off-road, there's no question that diesel is the answer.
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Diesels aren't for everyone and gas engines aren't for everyone, it's about having choices. Same goes for engine sizes. The problem is we are lacking those choices.
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Diesels aren't for everyone and gas engines aren't for everyone, it's about having choices. Same goes for engine sizes. The problem is we are lacking those choices.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I too test drove the CRD diesel on offer here in Sweden (or all of Europe, I suppose).
I too found it to be a dog - even when compared to my 2010 JKUS and especially to my new 2013 JKUS.
I did not have a chance to test drive the Rubicon however, because they were "unavailable for order" when we finally ordered (and settled for) our Sahara - they did become "available" some weeks after. But only in the diesel version.

I can't know which engine that is expected for the NAS versions but here the diesel used is the 2.8 common rail which has a max 460Nm torque; and that is in a limited range.

Here the tax fee is about triple that of a petrol powered Wrangler.
Here the service charges are about double that of a petrol powered Wrangler.
Here diesel costs more per liter than petrol.
Here the sticker price (which IS what you will pay) is over 8000 US dollars more than a petrol powered Wrangler.

That being said; there is a bit more low rev torque, mileage is a bit better (not enough to ever recoup the additional costs though unless you drive a bzillion miles a year and keep the vehicle for at least half an eon), one does get to enjoy that lovely diesel smell and listen to the rhythmic ticking and pay the higher repair bills that are part and parcel of owning a diesel here.

Those who live in the states and are hoping for Jeep to come out with a diesel for the Wrangler might want to also hope that it is not the same one currently offered in Europe. Although there are many here who need what a diesel powered vehicle offers, they are not really the same people who choose to drive a Wrangler.

Of course, that is just my two cents worth - at at present exchange rates it is most likely worthless.
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I too test drove the CRD diesel on offer here in Sweden (or all of Europe, I suppose).
I too found it to be a dog - even when compared to my 2010 JKUS and especially to my new 2013 JKUS.
I did not have a chance to test drive the Rubicon however, because they were "unavailable for order" when we finally ordered (and settled for) our Sahara - they did become "available" some weeks after. But only in the diesel version.

I can't know which engine that is expected for the NAS versions but here the diesel used is the 2.8 common rail which has a max 460Nm torque; and that is in a limited range.

Here the tax fee is about triple that of a petrol powered Wrangler.
Here the service charges are about double that of a petrol powered Wrangler.
Here diesel costs more per liter than petrol.
Here the sticker price (which IS what you will pay) is over 8000 US dollars more than a petrol powered Wrangler.

That being said; there is a bit more low rev torque, mileage is a bit better (not enough to ever recoup the additional costs though unless you drive a bzillion miles a year and keep the vehicle for at least half an eon), one does get to enjoy that lovely diesel smell and listen to the rhythmic ticking and pay the higher repair bills that are part and parcel of owning a diesel here.

Those who live in the states and are hoping for Jeep to come out with a diesel for the Wrangler might want to also hope that it is not the same one currently offered in Europe. Although there are many here who need what a diesel powered vehicle offers, they are not really the same people who choose to drive a Wrangler.

Of course, that is just my two cents worth - at at present exchange rates it is most likely worthless.
Do you Swedes have access to aftermarket diesel mods like were accustomed to in the U.S. ? I'm curious what power those folks are getting out of the 2.8L.

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