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Old 10-31-2015, 10:05 AM
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Whats a better snow/ice/winter tire... Wrangler SRT or Rubicon Mud Terrain TA?

Whats a better snow/ice/winter tire...the stock Wrangler SRT or the stock Rubicon Mud Terrain TA? And why? What has better traction in snow and on ice. Please explain why.

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Neither. But if I had i to choose I would go with the goodyears. You want something with tons of sipes. The more sipes the better snow traction. Also the rubber compound. I have a 2015 Willy's I know the stock tires will suck in the snow. But I love the look. I purchased a wheel/tire combo I found on Craig's List for $700. They are 17 inch black mamba wheels with blizzack DM-V1 winter tires. Once you run a true winter tire you will love them. I have ran winter tires on all my Audi's. I always end up buying a "S" model Audi and they come with summer only tires. The dealership makes you sign a waiver stating if you wreck the car in the snow because of the summer tires it's not their fault.

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Mud Terrains are like slicks on ice and snow. Winter tires have a fine tread with many sipes to trap packed snow which sticks to the snow, ice packed under the tire. Winter traction is about packing the snow like a snowball. Anything else is a compromise.
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My local tire dealer has a machine that cuts/sipes new tires. They are supposed to last longer, run cooler, have better traction. I know a guy that has all of his tires on his log truck and pup trailer siped, he swears by it.
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I had no issues with my stock M/Ts in snow and ice. I thought they did quite well. We don't get a ton of snow here, but we get a few storms a year. This week I got rid of the KMs (they had worn funny and the rough ride and noise we're driving me nuts) and put on BFG K02s. I can't wait to see how they do in the snow.
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i heard that the mud terrains are good in very deep snow.
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lots of rumours but after you run winter tires for a season you will realize how much of a compromise everything else is.

Below, I stopped, took the photo, backed up 5' and continued on.
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Yes. Once you run TRUE winter tires you won't have anything else in the winter.
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I will be swapping out the MTR's for a set of Firestone Wintermasters that were left over when we got rid of the Suburban. No was was I going to run MTR's on the icy roads we have here in W NY.
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Back in the day (late 80's) on my 85 Ford Bronco I had 35" BFG Mud Terrains that worked good for me. I enjoyed driving in the snow with them.
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Whats a better snow/ice/winter tire...the stock Wrangler SRT or the stock Rubicon Mud Terrain TA? And why? What has better traction in snow and on ice. Please explain why.
The SR-A's are essentially all-season highway tires. They do have some siping and a tread pattern designed to move water/slush and trap some snow. They will perform better on cleared roads: packed snow, slush, ice; but nowhere near as good as a dedicated winter tire.


The KM's are mud tires. They have huge tread blocks with a lot of spacing in-between. They're designed to clear deep mud/snow and bite down looking for traction. They shine in deeper/unplowed snow, particularly off-road. These are designed practically opposite of a winter tire.
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Think of a continuum with true winter tires like the Blizzak or Nokian on one end, followed by all-season passenger car tires like the SR-A, followed by all-terrain tires like the Goodyear Duratrac, followed by an off-road truck tire like the BFG MTs on the other end.

I've driven the BFG MTs on a 4WD through four winters and managed to get by, but I'd never do that again. They're fun in deep (6-12") snow, but are extremely poor on snow packed by other cars or especially on ice. I know they're better, but I've never had winter tires--just all-seasons. OTOH there's no way I'd go off-road with passenger car tires like the Goodyear SRAs, which are ideal for the 90+% commuting seen by most Jeeps.

So my answer to you is both (a set of each) or none. If I had to get by with only one set, it would be the Duratracs.
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The Goodyear SRAs are only good on clean, dry pavement. They are mediocre, at best, when the weather is anything but clear. And IME, even when new they are prone to hydroplaning, more so than any other tire I've run, except slick, bald tires.

FWIW, two of the better tires I've run over the years have been the Dunlop Radial Rover, and my present General Grabber AT2. Admittedly, my experience is limited, and budget driven. YMMV, and invariably will...
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The KM's are mud tires. They have huge tread blocks with a lot of spacing in-between. They're designed to clear deep mud/snow and bite down looking for traction. They shine in deeper/unplowed snow, particularly off-road. These are designed practically opposite of a winter tire.
No they don't. You will be sliding off the road and over a cliff on MTs.

Here are SNOW tires. Pushing snow with the bumper. AND NO wheel spin. They pack the snow and ride on top. The snow in all those small sipes sticks to the snow on the ground. Gravity, deep snow and that solid rubber tread on the MT will leave you with no directional control no matter the snow depth.

Traction on snow and ice is all about control. Not wheelspin. A snow tire makes traction by packing the snow like a snowball.
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I live in vermont and i can tell you that the Goodyear wrangler is a good tire in the snow, we live in the national forest and travel over the gap with a very steep grade on a daily basis. one storm left 20" of snow and we tore right through it. It also has to do a lot with the drivers experience driving in slippery conditions.
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If I had to get by with only one set, it would be the Duratracs.
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We run Duratracs on our trucks at work that routinely travel between horrendous oil and gas lease roads and highways under northwestern PA weather conditions. Mud, snow, ice, rain, sleet, etc. on various road surfaces, these tires perform well. They also have the severe weather service rating (snowflake symbol). If I had only one set of wheels, these tires would be on them.
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I wouldn't say the KM's shine, but they have no trouble with any amount of snow I saw here last year, and we got plenty! Now on packed snow, or ice, well they are a little scary, but not frightening. I am thinking of trying the Cooper STT Pro's as my next all-around tire. My biggest issue with the Coopers in OEM size is that they have White Lettering, I really hate any tires with white lettering!
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Poor vocabulary choice on my part, I guess.

In an attempt to help the OP decide between the two tires (which was the intent of his thread), I was just trying to point out that the KM would likely outperform the SRA in deep snow.

Dedicated winter tires are the best choice, but that wasn't his question.
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I wouldn't say the KM's shine, but they have no trouble with any amount of snow I saw here last year, and we got plenty! Now on packed snow, or ice, well they are a little scary, but not frightening. I am thinking of trying the Cooper STT Pro's as my next all-around tire. My biggest issue with the Coopers in OEM size is that they have White Lettering, I really hate any tires with white lettering!
Is the tread directional? I looked at photos of it as I can't seem to find out for sure and the tire doesn't look like a directional tire.
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Is the tread directional? I looked at photos of it as I can't seem to find out for sure and the tire doesn't look like a directional tire.

My thinking as well. If the tire isn't directional, just put the white lettering to the inside.
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I wouldn't say the KM's shine, but they have no trouble with any amount of snow I saw here last year, and we got plenty! Now on packed snow, or ice, well they are a little scary, but not frightening. I am thinking of trying the Cooper STT Pro's as my next all-around tire. My biggest issue with the Coopers in OEM size is that they have White Lettering, I really hate any tires with white lettering!
Mount them "letters in" problem solved. That'll be $29.95 (consult fee)
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SRA will do better than the KM. more siping = more traction. the KM has virtually zero siping.
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The OP's choices are bad and essentially are like saying, would you prefer this disease or that one.

The SR-As have more siping and would be better on wet roads and on compacted snow, and the KM/MTss are better on deep snow. But as NEITHER is Snowflake rated they get hard as a hockey-puck in temperatures below 45F/7C and the SR-As truly do skate around even with the siping, and in the wet and compacted snow the KM/MTs are just a giant flat tread block that slides around. Even in summer the stopping distance on the KM/MTs are bad.

The Duractracs are a great balance of capability and cold weather performance, their brothers the Wrangler Territory are what I run (studded and non-studded [pics of studded in my profile] ) and are a more aggresive tread pattern than the Duratracs, but with all the triple-belting, load rating and durability. I love them but they are also going away.
The best stock winter tyres on a Wrangler are those found on the Winter Aspen X-Games Edt. in the GoodYear Silent Armor, however they are not the greatest for true off-roading (but way better than the SR-As).
The Duellers on the Sahara and previous Polar/Arctic editions are OK, but they harden-up in cold temps and are only marginally better than other options.

IMO, from current availability, there are 5 good options that I like and 2 'OK' options.

- For more serious Off-Road the GoodYear MTR Kevlar is better than the stock KM/MTs
- For light Off-Roading the GoodYear Duractracs are a good balance and are widely available. A cheap edition at Walmart called the Wrangler "Authority" has a slightly more aggressive tread and is as close as you can still get to the old Territory tyres I run.
- For logging-roading and little more but focus on winter 'on-road driving' the Silent Armor are very good (yes early models were much weaker despite the advertising of 'OOooohhh Kevlar'), but they will get bogged down a bit with deep snow, so if you get 20" dumps in your area, then chains are still a consideration.
-General Grabber TA2 is another one of the light off-roading options similar to the Duratrac, and often found for less money.
- Also the Cooper Discoverer AT3 tyres are in that similar class of the capable, but again are cheaper than Duratracs.

Two others I've tried that are OK for those regions with a 'bit of snow' and would be OK for anyone considering an SR-A to begin with, would be the Bridgestone Dueller REVO2, they still get a bit hard at low temps, but the tread pattern I found good at biting and ejecting snow. Also the Cooper ST Maxx is a good tyre for the more aggressive tyre, but it can be packed-up and become similar to the KM/MTs, but they are another good off-road option and come with additional voids/sypes that the KMs don't have.

That's been my experiences, there are definitely more options and different experiences.

PS, Nokian Hakkapelitta 5/8/LT2 tyres are great, but harder to find and they don't carry stock Wrangler sizes, so you need to adjust. The Rottiivas are OK, but IMO Duratracs are better 'all season'.
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Mount them "letters in" problem solved. That'll be $29.95 (consult fee)
I hate when people turn them to the inside even more....LOL I want true blackwalls on both sides.
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I hate when people turn them to the inside even more....LOL I want true blackwalls on both sides.
Dave - I said it before, You picked a great screen name

I don't care for White Letters either (even on the inside) after they get dirty they ain't too bad.
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Dave - I said it before, You picked a great screen name

I don't care for White Letters either (even on the inside) after they get dirty they ain't too bad.
It looks cheesy when people do it, and gives the impression that they are on backwards or something, I just don't like it at all. I hate white letters all together, can we leave the 70's in the 70's please, they remind me of bell-bottoms.....LOL
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It looks cheesy when people do it, and gives the impression that they are on backwards or something, I just don't like it at all. I hate white letters all together, can we leave the 70's in the 70's please, they remind me of bell-bottoms.....LOL
There were aspects of the 70's I (Enjoyed) we'll leave it at that.

I just wish a little fairy would fly in my window and say, "Rubi these are the perfect tires!! They are standard to maybe a "D" load, They are Great, they will be a little larger than stock, not too heavy, yet fit no problem on your HR wheels...."

I'd kiss the Fairy and go But some friggin' Tires.
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There were aspects of the 70's I (Enjoyed) we'll leave it at that.

I just wish a little fairy would fly in my window and say, "Rubi these are the perfect tires!! They are standard to maybe a "D" load, They are Great, they will be a little larger than stock, not too heavy, yet fit no problem on your HR wheels...."

I'd kiss the Fairy and go But some friggin' Tires.
I'm still trying to figure out why Jeep didn't just go with a true 33 inch, or why the tire companies seem to make so few options for the stock Rubicon tire size. The options are slim, but I am thinking the Cooper STT Pro's might be the best bet for the future.
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haven't had the pleasure(?) of experiencing snow with the BFG MT on my current JKR yet (only a month or so to go now I guess ), but at least on my old truck, I would seek out the deepest snow because they preformed the best there....

not to say they were terribly good in the deep spots, just that on the packed/dusted/light/icy areas they truly sucked...

of course, after experiencing the MT's on my truck, I never bought MT's again... so I haven't had any experience with MT's for like the last decade or so...
I am sure they are much better now...
they had like a decade to improve, right? I am sure they will be fine...
I hope...
lots of things have advanced/improved over the last decade... MT's had to of...
they certainly look nice on the JK...
I am sure they will be fine... really...
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Personally, other than "looks" - I can not imagine the Why behind the tire choice. IF the Rubicon even spends 5% of its time rock crawling imagine the % of time spent Mud womping?

I'm talking per/1000 units sold/bought. Tire choice makes very little sense. (To me)

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