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Will Bronco ever offer competition to Wrangler?

I wasn’t sure where to put this. I’ve been seeing comments from forum members disappointed with Jeep quality about holding off for the new Ford Bronco to come out.

I have purchased Chrysler products for 30 years and I LOVE Jeeps. But I am as frustrated as anyone with FCA’s complacency with assembly quality, product reliability and customer treatment. And FCA’s greed doesn’t help.

I test drove JL before I purchased my 2018 JKU three months ago: I was unimpressed. So for the first time I can remember I decided to test drive the “competition”: GMC Canyon and Sierra, Chevrolet Colorado, Toyota Tacoma and Tundra, and the new Ram 1500 DT. But as refined and comfortable as these trucks are, none is as “fun” as a Wrangler.

Now that I got a new JKU I should be good for a few years. But it is sad to think that I may have no options next time. So I like the idea of Ford bringing back Bronco.

But Ford has been struggling since Mr. Mulally retired in July of 2014. His successor, Mark Fields was fired. Ford stock price is now back down to Great Recession levels, and the new CEO, Jim Hackett, is promising drastic measures. None of which bodes well for the probability of Bronco making it.

Ford just held a key dealer meeting in Las Vegas where it showed a string of upcoming models. According to Automotive News:
“There was one notable exception to the future product showcase: the Bronco. Farley [VP of Sales and Marketing] promised to show dealers ‘a Bronco’ but only flashed a photo of his own classic 1973 SUV.”
This is what someone following Ford closely posted on Auto News this morning:
“No spy shots have emerged of the Bronco. Ford must be really struggling with it. I heard that the program was without a chief engineer for quite a while.

Ford would be wise to start showing the Bronco. Why? Wranglers are selling like crazy. It's not going to steal share from Ford today. Why not show people what they have to look forward to? If anything, you might get a few waiters for it that would have gone for a Wrangler. ”
Indeed, Bronco will have an uphill battle competing with Wrangler. But we all lose the fewer competition Wrangler has; it only encourages Jeep to stay complacent and keep jacking up prices.

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Without solid front axles, easily removed doors/top will it be enough to attract disenchanted JL buyers? The engine choices and electronics overload could make the JK the optimal off-roading choice with JK retaining high resale value.
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I can't fit in the JL ----- I'm hoping that the Bronco happens, happens well, and is tall guy friendly.
@JeepCares built the JL for short people. Shame shame shame

I was really looking forward to a diesel JLU in 3 or 4 years.

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Yeah not much good news out there with Ford. If it is a true SUV (body on frame and solid axles) and it is competitively priced between $30,000 and $36,000. I will look at it for sure. It is just crazy to me the prices they are asking for the JLs. The two doors cost as much as JKUs. JLUs cost as much as JKURs. JLURs cost as much as Hardrocks and Recons. I know they charge these prices because they can get these prices. But are they actually worth it?
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I wasn’t sure where to put this. I’ve been seeing comments from forum members disappointed with Jeep quality about holding off for the new Ford Bronco to come out.

I have purchased Chrysler products for 30 years and I LOVE Jeeps. But I am as frustrated as anyone with FCA’s complacency with assembly quality, product reliability and customer treatment. And FCA’s greed doesn’t help.

I test drove JL before I purchased my 2018 JKU three months ago: I was unimpressed. So for the first time I can remember I decided to test drive the “competition”: GMC Canyon and Sierra, Chevrolet Colorado, Toyota Tacoma and Tundra, and the new Ram 1500 DT. But as refined and comfortable as these trucks are, none is as “fun” as a Wrangler.

Now that I got a new JKU I should be good for a few years. But it is sad to think that I may have no options next time. So I like the idea of Ford bringing back Bronco.

But Ford has been struggling since Mr. Mulally retired in July of 2014. His successor, Mark Fields was fired. Ford stock price is now back down to Great Recession levels, and the new CEO, Jim Hackett, is promising drastic measures. None of which bodes well for the probability of Bronco making it.

Ford just held a key dealer meeting in Las Vegas where it showed a string of upcoming models. According to Automotive News:
“There was one notable exception to the future product showcase: the Bronco. Farley [VP of Sales and Marketing] promised to show dealers ‘a Bronco’ but only flashed a photo of his own classic 1973 SUV.”
This is what someone following Ford closely posted on Auto News this morning:
“No spy shots have emerged of the Bronco. Ford must be really struggling with it. I heard that the program was without a chief engineer for quite a while.

Ford would be wise to start showing the Bronco. Why? Wranglers are selling like crazy. It's not going to steal share from Ford today. Why not show people what they have to look forward to? If anything, you might get a few waiters for it that would have gone for a Wrangler. ”
Indeed, Bronco will have an uphill battle competing with Wrangler. But we all lose the fewer competition Wrangler has; it only enables Jeep to stay complacent and keep jacking up prices.
While I get the frustration with FCA, I don't see how Ford is going to be a viable alternative. Ford seems to have decided that they are tired of making cars, and they may not be around much longer. The people running Ford right now seem to be clueless. Sadly, GM seems the best run American manufacturer right now. But they don't seem to have a plan to make a vehicle to compete with the Wrangler.
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Yeah not much good news out there with Ford. If it is a true SUV (body on frame and solid axles) and it is competitively priced between $30,000 and $36,000. I will look at it for sure. It is just crazy to me the prices they are asking for the JLs. The two doors cost as much as JKUs. JLUs cost as much as JKURs. JLURs cost as much as Hardrocks and Recons. I know they charge these prices because they can get these prices. But are they actually worth it?
Indeed. That’s the key question.

I purchased a well-equipped 2018 JKUR Recon from a dealer 1,300 miles away for $8,000 more than my local dealer wanted for a fully-loaded 2018 GMC Sierra SLT Crew Cab 4x4. And that wasn’t a one-off price either; it had 20 identically equipped pickups on the lot.

For that price the GMC offered ample room for six, a 5.2L V8, greater fuel efficiency, a rear LSD, leather everywhere, backup camera, park assist, dual climate control, blind spot monitor, heated seats and steering wheel, power everything, moonroof, etc., etc. And the truck drove as refined as a Cadillac. But in the end the pickup was too large for my garage and for the trail, and didn’t have as much articulation or a front solid axle.

The price “premium” of a JLUR against that fully-loaded GMC Sierra was even worse: a whopping $15,000!!!

No doubt value is a very personal thing. To me a freaking Wrangler isn’t worth that much more money, solid axles and all.

The key difference boils down to: GMC Sierra has competition; Wrangler doesn’t.
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No doubt value is a very personal thing. To me a freaking Wrangler isn’t worth that much more money, solid axles and all.

The key difference boils down to: GMC Sierra has competition; Wrangler doesn’t.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. At those prices you start looking around at what you can get. A porsche Macan starts at around $50,000. Sure not apples to apples, but compare that to a JL Sahara. That's the kind of territory we are getting into here.
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I can't fit in the JL ----- I'm hoping that the Bronco happens, happens well, and is tall guy friendly.
@JeepCares built the JL for short people. Shame shame shame

I was really looking forward to a diesel JLU in 3 or 4 years.

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Why did they make the seating so high in the JL? I have a buddy that's 6'2" and he can't fit in the JL. This seems really dumb to make a newer model that won't accommodate tall people. Come on FCA!
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With the top down/off, I would have no problems fitting in the 76'ers.
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Without solid front axles, easily removed doors/top will it be enough to attract disenchanted JL buyers? The engine choices and electronics overload could make the JK the optimal off-roading choice with JK retaining high resale value.
Indeed. But are solid front axles and removable doors/top worth $10,000-$15,000 more than other body-on-frame trucks? Apparently it still is to many.

That price difference looks even wider when one accounts for the fact that other body-on-frame 4WD trucks offer greater interior room and comfort, superior assembly quality and overall refinement, a smoother ride and more confident handling, more power and greater fuel efficiency than a Wrangler...for a LOT LESS money.
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This is the teaser image that was released a few months ago of the bronco.
Currently I own a 1994 ford bronco and am the original owner. I had a bronco II prior to that for 5 years. I for one, can't wait to see what the bronco is going to look like. My guess it will be more like the older bronco's vs the fullsize one (it will be based on new ranger platform).

either way - I"ll always own a wrangler, and hopefully always own a bronco as well!

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If I were Jeep, I would have kept Liberty as a body-on-frame 4WD truck that straddles a happy medium between Wrangler's off-road capability and Grand Cherokee's on-road performance. But this wasn't to be under the new Fiat regime: the new Cherokee is more of a smaller, more fuel efficient, lower priced Grand Cherokee with all the off-road capability of the FWD Alfa Romeo on which it is based.

If Bronco can straddle a happy medium between Wrangler's off-road capability and other body-on-frame 4WD trucks' day-to-day user-friendliness at a reasonable price, it has a good chance of success. In other words, if Bronco turns out to be as good as a Jeep Liberty, it may be enough to pull some Jeep owners among the many who never take their Wrangler off-road.

Chances are good that new Bronco would turn out much better than Liberty was.
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Indeed. But are solid front axles and removable doors/top worth $10,000-$15,000 more than other body-on-frame trucks? Apparently it still is to many.

That price difference looks even wider when one accounts for the fact that other body-on-frame 4WD trucks offer greater interior room and comfort, superior assembly quality and overall refinement, a smoother ride and more confident handling, more power and greater fuel efficiency than a Wrangler...for a LOT LESS money.
I assume you are talking about the Taco/4runner and Colorado/Canyon.. A Base JLU is about the same as a base 4wd version of those platforms. Its at the high end of the scale where things really get wonky with JL pricing.
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Currently I own a 1994 ford bronco and am the original owner. I had a bronco II prior to that for 5 years. I for one, can't wait to see what the bronco is going to look like. My guess it will be more like the older bronco's vs the fullsize one (it will be based on new ranger platform).
My dad had a Bronco back in the later 1960's.


Like today's Wranglers, it had a removable hard top that leaked.


I know they sold Broncos with and without doors. However, I am unsure just how easy it was to remove them yourself if your Bronco came with them. IMHO, it might be liking removing the doors off of any vehicle.


I think it had a fold-down windshield, and vacuum motor wipers.
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I don't think the Bronco needs the roof or doors to come off. Well at least partial like the freedom tops. Look at how many hardtops are sold and even on this site.

If priced right, and built right right, it will give the Wrangler some competition. JLU and yes even JK prices are have been over priced for some time.
Sorry but $50+ JK and 58k+ JLs is ridiculous for what you get quality wise. Like another poster wrote, Porsche, BMW, LR territory.
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If I were Jeep, I would have kept Liberty as a body-on-frame 4WD truck that straddles a happy medium between Wrangler's off-road capability and Grand Cherokee's on-road performance. But this wasn't to be under the new Fiat regime: the new Cherokee is more of a smaller, more fuel efficient, lower priced Grand Cherokee with all the off-road capability of the FWD Alfa Romeo on which it is based.

If Bronco can straddle a happy medium between Wrangler's off-road capability and other body-on-frame 4WD trucks' day-to-day user-friendliness at a reasonable price, it has a good chance of success. In other words, if Bronco turns out to be as good as a Jeep Liberty, it may be enough to pull some Jeep owners among the many who never take their Wrangler off-road.

Chances are good that new Bronco would turn out much better than Liberty was.
Wait, the new Cherokee does come in FWD and a Trail Rated version. The Liberty was crap.
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Here is a pretty good article, says they might have dana solid axles and a removable top. Also says the Wrangler is what they are competing with.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...anger-details/
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Just looked at JLU Sports in my area $34,225 - $38,620.
That's nuts! My Sahara was $32K with a hardtop.
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Here is a pretty good article, says they might have dana solid axles and a removable top. Also says the Wrangler is what they are competing with.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...anger-details/


Hey, it has round headlights. I am sold!
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Here is a pretty good article, says they might have dana solid axles and a removable top. Also says the Wrangler is what they are competing with.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...anger-details/
Pretty sure it's been 100% confirmed the new DANA plant is tooled up and will be making axles for the new Bronco and Ranger P/U. What isn't confirmed, however, is if it will only have a SRA. My bet is IFS and SRA. I just don't see Ford, in this day and age and given the tech they employ in the F series P/U's to put a SFA in a new vehicle. Hope I'm wrong, but if I had to lay money it would be on an IFS.
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I'm interested in the Bronco but couldn't wait anymore. The pricing of the JL is really ridiculous. My buddy just bought a Range Rover Sport for the same price as a JLUR. Seems dumb. I went with a lightly used JKUR which still wasn't exactly cheap.
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But are they actually worth it?

Of course they are not. We are paying the Jeep Tax.


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I'm interested in the Bronco but couldn't wait anymore. The pricing of the JL is really ridiculous. My buddy just bought a Range Rover Sport for the same price as a JLUR. Seems dumb. I went with a lightly used JKUR which still wasn't exactly cheap.

I wonder how long it takes to get the doors off one of those rover sports?
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While I doubt anything could pry the JKU keys out of my hands, at least not for the next six to eight years, I'm definitely interested in what Ford does with the Bronco. They have the opportunity to hit a home run with off-road enthusiasts. As others noted, it wouldn't hurt the Wrangler to have a little direct competition.
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Without solid front axles, easily removed doors/top will it be enough to attract disenchanted JL buyers?
I'd be sold if the welds are at actual seams...

Easily removed doors and tops are nice, but if they come with easily removed control arms and track bars...
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Why did they make the seating so high in the JL? I have a buddy that's 6'2" and he can't fit in the JL. This seems really dumb to make a newer model that won't accommodate tall people. Come on FCA!
This was my problem as well. I'm 6'4"

When JK came out in 2007,I didn't like the way It looks. And it never grew on me, so I sat the generation out waiting for the next.

Here comes the JL, I love the exterior looks now. So I went to test drive one and found that because the 4x4 knob sits straight up, it interferes with my right knee. It's not comfortable having my leg rest on it.

So despite not liking the exterior looks, I scrambled to find a new JKU only because it's actually comfortable to sit in.
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The Bronco will be no threat to the Wrangler JK or JL. It’s still just another Raptor style SUV.
As for the “Jeep Tax” well I believe it’s worth it. What other vehicle can you daily drive, Offroad Regularly, and after 10 years still sell it for a decent price. If the nearest competition can last 10 years it might have a chance but I don’t see it.


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If I were Jeep, I would have kept Liberty as a body-on-frame 4WD truck that straddles a happy medium between Wrangler's off-road capability and Grand Cherokee's on-road performance.

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My wife had a Liberty (the boxy one) it made me think of what the old Cherokee was, They were pretty nice.
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They cannot beat the Jeep for a while. Lot's of followers since WW-II. The competitors do not have that cult.
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Ford has a competitor already... It's not as good as a Wrangler, but it's solid axle F&R and capable with lockers. However, they said it's too expensive for the US so it stays produced in Brazil. You can check it out, it's called the Troller T4.

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