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Old 11-17-2019, 03:36 PM
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Yet Another Slider Thread...Body vs Frame Mount

I know this topic has come up time and again, but seeking some fresh (or at least recycled) insight. Trying to decide on a slider upgrade to be ready to pull the trigger if Black Friday yields good deals. I had been planning to go frame mounted like PS Rocker Knockers, as this style seemed to be the consensus toughest option. But lately I've been considering the merits of the higher sitting body mount options, for comparison say the body mount version of the Rocker Knockers. They sit much higher, so improved clearance and look better to me, and also don't have the big outriggers to the frame that are perpendicular to line of travel and seem prime for catching on rocks.

Of course the concern with body mount is potential for flexing and either contacting the sheet metal, if not straight bending the sheet metal. Seems body mount may not be much worse than frame in vertical impacts, but may be much weaker in side impacts. Would body mount like the Rocker Knockers be a liability if using the slider to pivot around a rock or tree?

I'm really not sure what to make of the concerns with body mount as people's slider use can vary a lot it seems...some just use them for sliding down off rocks, others may be dropping several feet down onto them off a huge rock or ledge. Though I've seen even some body mounts being used hard, like Lite Brite on youtube running the MetalCloaks hard and as far as I can tell (per their comments) having no issues.

My slider use so far hasn't been anything the stock rails can't handle, I mostly overland but do like climbing some rocks and I want to run trails like the Rubicon and Dusy Ershim at some point.

Maybe one simple way to frame it, has anybody gone frame or body mount first, then ended up regretting it and switching?

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So I debated this for awhile then went frame mounted....the body damage was the tipping point for me....I chose frame to save the body or at least feel like my decision saved the body....
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I originally relied on the body pinch seam mounted Rubi rails until the jeep came down hard on it. While I believe it protected the jeep from far worse damage, the body still bent. I have since added rails that mount to the underside of the frame/body mounts. They have with stood much worse impacts. In the pics, you can see the gap difference from front to back of the 2 rails. Also the front panel buckled out a bit under the door hing.
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Look into GenRight sliders. The mount on the body bolts, pinch seam and creat their own upper mount. Fairly indestructible, sit high and look clean.

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Yet Another Slider Thread...Body vs Frame Mount

I prefer frame mount sliders. These are custom made.


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Yet Another Slider Thread...Body vs Frame Mount

I prefer the body mounted and have Shrockworks.

edit: correction, meant frame mounted.
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I run Poison Spyder Brawler Rockers. IMO the best of both worlds. It strengthen the body as well as mounts to the frame. If you bend anything with this system then you have dropped a long way.
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I loved my LoD sliders on my 2014 and if I were going to beat on my 2018 would go that route again but don't plan on doing anything the stock recon sliders won't handle.
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I run Poison Spyder Brawler Rockers. IMO the best of both worlds. It strengthen the body as well as mounts to the frame. If you bend anything with this system then you have dropped a long way.
I want these badly.

I currently have Smitty XRC body mount sliders. I genuinely like the look but I was expecting minimal protection/quality and that’s exactly what I got. The driver side sticks out an appropriate distance from the body but the passenger side is in near contact. Bumping a rock on the passenger side pushed in my sheet metal but it’s better than what would have happened without it.

Anyway, I doubt you could find anything better on the market that the PS Brawler rocker.
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I run the Ace Engineering sliders which attach to the body mounts. While I really like these sliders, I did land on the passenger side slider hard enough to actually put a slight bend in the slider and it flexed enough that it contacted the tub and pushed the sheet metal up underneath the passenger front door.

My vote now is for frame mounted sliders and that is what I have since installed on my wife’s Rubicon. Check out the TNT Customs Adventure Sliders with the Boatsides. These are bombproof IMO. I also installed these on a buddy’s rig but haven’t gotten around to putting them on mine yet.
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Tons of good info here, thanks everyone...though that doesn't mean I'm reaching a consensus yet.



The GenRight and PS Brawler Knockers look pretty similar, and interesting...very good clearance and no hangup points with the boatside. Does the way that these bolt into the body mounts allow them to move with the tub, as the tub flexes relative to the frame on the rubber mounts? Or does the slider really tie rigidly into the frame side and thus form a rigid member between the frame and tub? If the latter, wouldn't that tend to stress the tub by restricting its as designed motion on the rubber mounts? I do see how these look stronger for vertical hits (where you're getting more of an in plane stress on the body sheet metal, and pushing up on the body mounts) vs side hits (where it's trying to bend the sheet metal, thus weaker). Tying into the body mounts should give some extra lateral strength, though it's a shear load on those bolt joints.



I've seen a Jeep at my office that I think might be running these, I'll have to take a closer look.



With these body mount options and the numerous nutserts, did you guys put RTV around them when installing to prevent moisture getting inside? Or maybe there are already stock holes into that same cavity you drill into, so all you need to do is paint/protect the freshly drilled holes? Seems like a nutsert tool makes installing them pretty foolproof, when I first looked at sliders I was worried about drilling holes in the sheet metal but after drilling a handful of holes in various places for my lift, etc, I'm not so concerned.



I've seen the LoD Signatures and those were the first sliders I considered. They look like one of the most stout options for the typical 3 point outrigger frame mount style, using a ton of bolts to mount. But impatient me is wary of the long lead times...Northridge currently says 60 business days to ship and I'm not waiting 3 months if I can get a similar product (PS Rocker Knocker frame mount) within a week. And actually I just checked LoD's site and they just suffered a fire at their shop...not to knock them while they're down, but surely that isn't going to help lead times. Wish them the best in getting back up and running though.


@Leadnut I see you mentioned Shrockworks body mounted, but the only JK ones I see are frame mounted like the LoD, frame mount Rocker Knockers, etc.


For those of you who have run frame mounts, have you every really noticed any hanging up on the outriggers that hang down between the slider and frame? I'm sure it's not the end of the world or so many people wouldn't swear by frame mount, and frame mount does seem to be the majority favorite on most threads.
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@Leadnut I see you mentioned Shrockworks body mounted, but the only JK ones I see are frame mounted like the LoD, frame mount Rocker Knockers, etc.
My error, I knew they were frame mount since I installed them. I really like the mounting method using the Stick-nuts. If you look at the install instructions you can see how they are used. I liked this approach better than self-tapping screws or nutserts. I don't know the current lead-time, but when I did them several years back it was 8 weeks.
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If you plan on doing Rubicon and Dusy the rocker sliders are just the beginning of the armor you want.
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@DesertRubi no RTV on the nutserts. Touchup paint on the newly drilled holes, let dry then anti-seize on the screw and you are done.

The body will still have a little movement but the piece of plate attach to the body and the slider is attached to that plate as well as the frame though the body mounts it is going to be pretty ridged.
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I debated this as well, and honestly the frame mounted ones were a bit cheaper and accomplished what I wanted. Mine are from VKS fab. Had them powdercoated locally and just spray painted the inserts. They can be welded and/or bolted. I chose the bolt on option for now as I may want to add additional body protection at some point. My schedule has been so busy this year that our wheeling has been very limited. Haven't really tried them out yet but they are beefy. This version also has a step on top.
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I debated this as well, and honestly the frame mounted ones were a bit cheaper and accomplished what I wanted. Mine are from VKS fab. Had them powdercoated locally and just spray painted the inserts. They can be welded and/or bolted. I chose the bolt on option for now as I may want to add additional body protection at some point. My schedule has been so busy this year that our wheeling has been very limited. Haven't really tried them out yet but they are beefy. This version also has a step on top.
Well, those look familiar...

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I have some white knuckle offroad frame mounted rails in the much stronger DOM tubing. I guess I'm one of those "come down hard on a rock" guys as I've even put a small tube dent in one. I would never rely on just body mounted rails. I think if I had all the money in the world, I'd have opted for the white knuckle DOM rails that allow rubicon body mounted rails as well. So there is the option to do both.
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I have not needed the protection yet, but I have the Rock Hard rails that mount to both frame and body. These were the only ones I found that angled down instead of up . I want the rails to be used as a step up and into the cab and these are about 3" lower than the door frame. They work well for that purpose. Looking eye level across the under side of the Jeep they are almost flush with the lowest points under the Jeep so if I was to be going over a log these would protect most of what's under the Jeep

In the time I have had these they have not shown any flaking, peeling or chipping of the powder coating from climbing in every day on the passenger side where they are used as a step daily.
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Sliders are still down the road a bit for me but I'm leaning toward the Nemesis Billy Rocker or JCR Cursader. I like the flat style sliders much better than tubes. Both have pretty good footage of their sliders at work and both appear very stout. I would have liked to see some up close footage of the JCR Jeep after they bashed on it but from what I can see it didn't allow any body damage. I'm sure the rock in the wheel did some damage but I'd say that's beyond the sliders job.

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Sliders are the most important piece of armor to put on your Jeep, especially if you have a 4 door.

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It's very easy to test sliders. Just jack up the Jeep using the outside lip of the slider as the jack point. Not quite as bad as landing them on a boulder but better than no test.
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great discussion regarding pros/cons of body vs frame mount and real experiences with both here:

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I think I'm pretty well sold on the Nemesis when the time comes. Hopefully sooner than later.

Some good info here.
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Also good info in this thread. Post #34 has some nice tips for drilling, nutserts, and tub armor
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I think I'm pretty well sold on the Nemesis when the time comes. Hopefully sooner than later.

I have the Nemesis Odyssey fender flares and the build quality is outstanding. I think you will be happy with their products.
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i run the frame mounted poison spyder ricochet rockers. arguably the strongest frame gussets of any of the rock sliders you can get as they are a boxed triangulated chunk of steel. i highly recommend them!
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I have crawler conceptz rockers. Similar to the poison spyder 2 piece design, but with an extra bend in them. I have dropped the weight of the jeep on them many times, used them to pivot the jeep too. They are very strong, I recommend them. If you do the body mount, get yourself a nutcert tool. Makes installation easier
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I've been running Hanson Offroad body mounted sliders for many years now on tough Moab trails with zero issues and they work great.

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I've been running Hanson Offroad body mounted sliders for many years now on tough Moab trails with zero issues and they work great.

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Seen too many complaints on a different forum about being charged and waiting months longer than promised delivery date.
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Seen too many complaints on a different forum about being charged and waiting months longer than promised delivery date.
That's too bad. I ordered mine years ago when Quadratec used to sell them and got them fast.

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