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Old 10-17-2019, 05:45 PM
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Been chasing door leaks any ideas

So I have been chasing leaks in the jeep since I bought it, I have fixed the the rear leaks but can’t sort the front foot wells, depending on how I park it it will leak driver or passenger side.
I think it’s running along the join between the windscreen and the hard top into the corner of the door where it’s getting passed the rubber door seals and runs down the inside of the door jam and then into the foot well, in the pics iv tried to show the areas.
I replaced both door seals yesterday and when I checked the footwell in the rain tonight it’s still leaking,
I’m now worrying about how I can stop it.

The jeep was originally a soft top and a prior owner added the hard top, is the gap at the corner of the hard top in the pic normal?, it doesn’t look it and I think it’s causing the issues. Also the door jam you can see in the pic has a foam seal that looks factory, but again is that normal as it’s hardly waterproof (is that the point, not to keep the water out but direct it’s flow).

Any ideas anyone?

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Old 10-18-2019, 08:41 AM   #2
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My girlfriends Jeep gets a puddle on the passenger side floor mat. I think it’s coming from where the windshield meets the frame at the lower left corner. We haven’t investigated further.

You can try using food color dye to help a little.

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Old 10-18-2019, 11:45 AM   #3
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Go thru a carwash and see where its leaking from.


Many times it is from a clogged cowl drain. The drain can be cloggged with leaves, dirt/grime, etc..
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Old 10-19-2019, 04:00 AM
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Yeah it’s coming in from the front corner of the doors on both sides, where it meets the hardtop roof and windscreen. Makes me think that the rubber trim in the pic that isn’t stuck down or the foam trim on the inside of the door slams Is responsible.

First pic is the rubber on the inside of the door attached to the hard top, but on the left by the windscreen it’s not stuck down and has what’s left of some foam under it (I guess it can’t be stuck down as it needs to come off when the roof does). In the second pic of the door jam that trim in the door jam under the strap is foam, is that right as obviously that’s not going to make a water seal against the rubber.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:27 AM   #5
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Okay, I'll try to help.
I had the same issue on my '01. Wet floorboards after rain, sometimes. As you, original soft top, I installed a hard top.
I put a new lower windshield seal in, between the frame and the body, where you fold the windshield down. No help.

Ended up being the "door seals" on the windshield.

The hard top "locks" into a spot on these seals. If the top is installed or removed incorrectly, these seals get damaged. The damage results in a poor to no seal and water gets in. The water runs down the frame and ends up on the floor.

Mopar Number: 55176619AB 55276618AB

Pic 1: Destroyed Seal at top
Pic 2: Old seal vs New seal (the top)
Pics 3 & 4: New seal installed.
Pic 5: New seal, top on, locked into place.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:15 PM
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Thanks cougarkid I will rack the top off and look into this, I remember looking at the rubbers and thinking they looked ok but maybe there’s an issue there I didn’t spot, would make sense to be honest.

Also I noticed in your picture that you don’t have these two trims that I do in the pic below, I wonder if I have some strange trim that someone fitted that’s causing issues.

In the picture below it’s the same areas as the trim you showed but my jeep has a rubber seal on the outside of the door attached to the hard top, and left is a foam strip that runs all the way down the door stuck to the windscreen, you don’t have them. Does anyone know if there right or wrong?
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You don't have to take the top off. Just unbolt it, unlatch the front and slide it back a few inches. Just far enough to have access to the areas in question.

Now, I'll ask: Do you have full doors or half doors?

This could change everything. I assumed you have full doors. If you have half doors, the extra foam could be an attempt by the PO to seal the uppers better. I am NOT familiar with half doors, how they act or seal, or any fixes or aftermarket add-ons for wind/water leaks.

Mine are full doors. One-piece full height with a steel "frame" around the window. There is a seal on the inside of the door, all the way around, that contacts the door seals and the horizontal piece on the hard top.
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What I do for my install.
Once the top is in place. Hook the header but don't latch.
Put all the bolts is not tight.
Close the doors windows open so you can lift the top and get it seated in the middle.
from the rear, pull it back.
Latch the latches
Tighten the bolts.
The one thing I have noticed with the hard top, the front of the rain gutter is designed to run the water back and down the back edge of the door. Park on any significant hill front of the Jeep pointed downhill and the water will run over the front lip of the gutter and into the upper leading edge of the door frame, then down onto the corner of the dashboard then the floor.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:51 PM
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The doors are full steel doors cougarkid like yours but I definitely seem to have seals you don’t on them and the door jams, I will try and get a few pics to try and work out if I should have them and if that’s some of the issue.
And pvansch1 so reading about how you fit your roof, are you saying that after you have it in place and the windows down you pull the roof to the back of the vehicle then clamp it down?
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While my 2003 came as and is staying a soft top, there appear to be too many "adjusting" foam pieces on the surfaces where the full hard door hits the windshield and the top.

The soft tops on the TJ and later have door surrounds that emulate the same flat surface around the full hard door as the hard top has. Thus the seals on the full hard door is the same with the hard top and soft top. With as much added foam as appears in the photos, I would imagine you have to work to get the door closed.

I would take all the non OEM foam off the windshield frame and top and then see how well the door seals.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:20 AM
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While my 2003 came as and is staying a soft top, there appear to be too many "adjusting" foam pieces on the surfaces where the full hard door hits the windshield and the top.

The soft tops on the TJ and later have door surrounds that emulate the same flat surface around the full hard door as the hard top has. Thus the seals on the full hard door is the same with the hard top and soft top. With as much added foam as appears in the photos, I would imagine you have to work to get the door closed.

I would take all the non OEM foam off the windshield frame and top and then see how well the door seals.
Thanks for the reply, yeah I have now stripped all the foam off the doors and even under the hardtop roof (where it meets the rubber on the top of the windshield) so it was back to OEM. I had a think and added some low profile rubber seal in a couple of places and we will see what the next rain brings.
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So after stripping all the non standard foam and aftermarket crap from the doors/windshield header/doors and now I can see there is a gap between the plastic trim on the windshield and the hard top mail pins, see the picture.

Is the gap in the picture between the hard top and windshield normal, looks like it should fit flush and not have a gap there?
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There is supposed to be a foam piece in there. It "lives" on the hard top and the end of the door surrounds. That foam piece makes the seal.
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There is supposed to be a foam piece in there. It "lives" on the hard top and the end of the door surrounds. That foam piece makes the seal.
Hey cougarkid do you mean that the section in the picture should have a piece of trim to fill the gap, or that that some of the other foam I removed was original?
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There is a piece of foam that goes in between the top and the pillar plastic to fill that gap.
Nothing you took off.
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There is a piece of foam that goes in between the top and the pillar plastic to fill that gap.
Nothing you took off.
I see, thanks for the info cougarkid, I will try and track that part/seal down.

(Just to clarify, In your pic does the blue line represent the foam running along the top of the windshield header to the next red piece on the other side, or are they to separate pieces?).
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The top "circle" is where the seal goes.
The blue line is just to connect the 2 lines - nothing to do with the seals. Should have left it out.
The lower line is the rough shape of the seal itself. It goes around the tab on the top.
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The top "circle" is where the seal goes.
The blue line is just to connect the 2 lines - nothing to do with the seals. Should have left it out.
The lower line is the rough shape of the seal itself. It goes around the tab on the top.
Thanks again cougar kid, I enquired with the part company I use here in the uk but they didn’t seem to know what it was, he sent me this pic which doesn’t show it but then again it maybe because the parts are for a soft top in this pic. If you have any ideas of the part number or where to look I would really appreciate it
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