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Old 03-06-2016, 07:40 AM   #151
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I have found that, in any brotherhood of particular vehicle owners, there are those who simply don't want to work on their own vehicle. Much preferring to drive them rather than work on them in any way, they just write checks to have them upgraded or fixed. But often, what happens much of the time, eventually, is that those who just don't work on their vehicles, get tired of writing the checks. When you're spending upwards of $10k a year between payments, upgrades, and repairs, a lot of the fun comes out of owning the vehicle.

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I just ordered the Crown from Quadratec. Crown is better than Dorman, right?

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Old 03-07-2016, 02:20 AM   #153
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E05 MAR 2005 Campaign - Engine Oil Pump Drive Gear/Cam Replacement .

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A revised drive gear parts package has been released. The second roll pin hole must be drilled in the revised drive gear.

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NOTE : This notification applies only to the above vehicles equipped with a 4.0L eligible ("S" in the 8th VIN position) and an engine build code between 902944 (October 20, 2004) and 900325 (February 1, 2005).
I'm outside this range. My vehicle was built May 14, 2005. I have the build sheet and the MFG date says 05/05. You find the date by looking on the front door frame on the driver's side. You can also look it up with the VIN online. I ran the VIN and there's no recalls on my Jeep. I had it in for a TSB with regards to an emissions code and it was fixed. It runs fine but I'm putting in the Crown anyway. Hope the cam gear is ok. Will check it out.

I've looked at the install on this. It seems the worst thing is getting the hold down bolt down and making sure you align things. It's easier/cheaper than replacing the engine. Even if you don't want to turn a wrench, the labor can't be that bad! The part is $109.99 total from Q-Tec. As things go, it's pretty easy and cheap. When this first came up there were no aftermarket parts, you had to modify a stock one. Now there's choices.

This is what cars is. You can buy a new one every few years and make payments and have high insurance rates or you can keep and maintain and older one..either way you pay. It's the nature of the beast. I like my TJ. I couldn't get a new one that could replace it and it's a keeper. For $110 I'll take the peace of mind.
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I just ordered the Crown from Quadratec. Crown is better than Dorman, right?
I hope so. From what I read the Crown seemed to get better reviews. I tend to trust Quadratec and they sell the Crown so I went with that.
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I hope so. From what I read the Crown seemed to get better reviews. I tend to trust Quadratec and they sell the Crown so I went with that.
Crown is fine. Replaced two, one on an LJ and a TJ.

Keep the mopar electrical sensor, the crown one was crap at the time and died on the freeway on me. Throw the crown electrical sensor in your spares.
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Keep the mopar electrical sensor, the crown one was crap at the time and died on the freeway on me. Throw the crown electrical sensor in your spares.
That's right! I read that. Thanks for the reminder. It was shipped today so should be here in a day or two.
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Ok. Maybe a dumb question but what is an opda? I have an 05. Is this something I should worry about?
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Ok. Maybe a dumb question but what is an opda? I have an 05. Is this something I should worry about?
That's what a bunch of threads have been talking about - we both do (your '05 and my '06). It is a device in the same location where the distributor used to be ('05 and '06 is distributor-less), and apparently Chrysler poorly designed the thing and it gets oil starved and also chews up the gear on the end of the cam that drives it. When the sucker starts to go out it makes a sound similar to 'a bunch of monkeys laughing' other Jeepers have reported. The idea is to swap it out with an aftermarket unit (Crown (favored) or Dorman) as a preventative measure to save your cam.
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Yes, this is a very easy thing to do PROVIDED your factory bolts don't give you fits! My 2005 has 71K miles and no symptoms of any problems. No noises but I was replacing the battery and that makes the OPDA much easier to get at. So I decided to do it as well as a preventative measure.

It took half an hour to turn the wrench on the engine and align the holes up. When it was lined up, I used the pin off the Crown OPDA to hold it in place. I marked where it was positioned just to be sure it went in properly. Then I went to take that damn bolt off the hold down bracket. Here's a piece of advice:

CHECK TO SEE THAT YOU CAN LOOSEN THE BOLT ON THE BRACKET FIRST.

I did check first so of course it was all set but I couldn't the damn thing out. So I spent a couple of hours cursing it, then got some PB Blaster and blasted it, let it sit while I cleaned the rust up under my battery tray and repainted that. Then I connected two wrenches to lengthen it and get better leverage on the bolt with my 1/2" box wrench. With the help of my neighbor we were able to break that sucker loose. Not fun.

I was cursing that bolt. A lot. It's in a horrible place and I'm sure if I'd been able to put a socket wrench on it the whole process would've been done and over with. I now owe my neighbor some beer.

In any case, I took the factory OPDA out, popped the pin back into the Crown. I'd marked where the old unit had been so it was just a matter of putting the new one in. I played with it a bit and it finally got seated and yes, there is a gasket. I swapped the OEM sensor onto the Crown because I'd heard that the Crown sensors didn't work as well. I have a spare if needed now.

Then I bolted the damn bracket down (Could they have put it in a worse place? It's not easy to get to!) pulled the pin from the bottom, popped my new battery in and it started right up. Sounds good. Well, it sounded good before but now I have peace of mind.

Here's the gear. The camshaft gear looked about the same. Looks pretty good to me (I hope).

I figured the $110 and (assuming your bolt doesn't take all day to loosen up) an hour's worth of time is worth it.
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Replaced the OPDA today. Took about 45 minutes, mainly because I was careful, and I had a bit of trouble getting the new unit to seat all the way down. When the original unit comes out, it only back-turns the slotted oil pump drive coupler as far as it has to in order to come out. In my case, I had to stick a large screwdriver blade down the hole and turn the oil pump drive coupler counterclockwise a bit to get the tang on the drive shaft to drop in properly. That's it. After it went in, I pulled out the plastic pin and re-aligned the housing with my marks. Used the original sensor in the new housing, and just boxed up the old OPDA and put it on the shelf as a spare. Glad to have this all done, and it runs great.
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I have found that, in any brotherhood of particular vehicle owners, there are those who simply don't want to work on their own vehicle. Much preferring to drive them rather than work on them in any way, they just write checks to have them upgraded or fixed. But often, what happens much of the time, eventually, is that those who just don't work on their vehicles, get tired of writing the checks. When you're spending upwards of $10k a year between payments, upgrades, and repairs, a lot of the fun comes out of owning the vehicle.

I am happy to hear your OPDA went easy. Good for you. And you are right, about the (CJ, YJ, TJ) brotherhood, those who pay with checks and those who pay with blood and sweat. I can afford to pay but I simply cannot find anybody I trust and being as I am a rather good mechanic, I will not pay for lesser work than I am capable of.

Payments? On a ten plus year old vehicle? Well there is a problem. The newest TJs are now 10 years old. That is old for a vehicle that sees the abusive use that many are put to. They require maintenance, even those with relatively low mileage, time takes its toll as well.

Not being mean, as I said before, but I am not especially sympathetic either to those unwilling to grab some tools. You are going to pay to play, $ or blood. My TJ has given me a few scars. There is really no reason that these vehicles cannot last for decades, their simple, modular constructions lends itself to repeated rebuilds/repairs and modifications.
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I am happy to hear your OPDA went easy. Good for you. And you are right, about the (CJ, YJ, TJ) brotherhood, those who pay with checks and those who pay with blood and sweat. I can afford to pay but I simply cannot find anybody I trust and being as I am a rather good mechanic, I will not pay for lesser work than I am capable of.

Payments? On a ten plus year old vehicle? Well there is a problem. The newest TJs are now 10 years old. That is old for a vehicle that sees the abusive use that many are put to. They require maintenance, even those with relatively low mileage, time takes its toll as well.

Not being mean, as I said before, but I am not especially sympathetic either to those unwilling to grab some tools. You are going to pay to play, $ or blood. My TJ has given me a few scars. There is really no reason that these vehicles cannot last for decades, their simple, modular constructions lends itself to repeated rebuilds/repairs and modifications.
I think the Jeep group is likely far more likely to be working on our own vehicles. It's one of the reasons it's an attractive vehicle to own. They are much easier to work on than the typical sedan, especially the average sports car. My wife and I belong to a very large MINI Cooper club. Most of the owners prefer not to work on their own cars. Partly, because they are a pain in the ass to service, and partly because they much prefer to drive them. I think the Jeep owners group is far more likely to stick with it long term because we do enjoy at least some aspects of working on our own vehicles, and it's much easier than some others to perform those tasks.
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I did not mean that (paying with $ or blood and sweat) directed at any particular person, just generality.

Maybe Crown is bring out an improved unit? Kind of disturbing news that it is being discontinued. Maybe they know something we collectively do not.
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I just purchased a Crown unit. Had no trouble finding one. I hope they are not coming out with a new and improved design!
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Ok. Maybe a dumb question but what is an opda? I have an 05. Is this something I should worry about?
05-06 is when the OPDA was an issue so the answer to your question is yes. Depending on your milage, there's a chance it may have already been replaced but you don't want to replace with factory unit, buy Crown or Dorman.

I'm at 53k on my 05 and have yet to have an issue with mine, however, I bought a Crown replacement and have it on hand as a safety blanket.
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I'm at 53k on my 05 and have yet to have an issue with mine, however, I bought a Crown replacement and have it on hand as a safety blanket.
A "safety blanket?" These things can go without warning, you don't always get a heads up before it fails and oil starvation isn't pretty. Why not just install it to be sure? Unless you have a problem with the damn bolt not wanting to come off the entire process takes about an hour. Pulling the battery out makes getting to it easier.

I learned a long time ago that knowing how to work on your own vehicle, especially as it ages, or at least being knowledgeable about what needs to be done goes a long way. Or lease a car and get a new one every few years. Since I love my modded TJ and don't like and can't afford a new Jeep I try and do whatever I can for myself and have been lucky in finding mechanics I like and trust to work with. It's not easy though.

I'm going to call Quadratec and find out just why the Crown unit was discontinued. I sure hope there wasn't an issue with the one I just stuck in my engine. That would really piss me off.
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A "safety blanket?" These things can go without warning, you don't always get a heads up before it fails and oil starvation isn't pretty. Why not just install it to be sure? Unless you have a problem with the damn bolt not wanting to come off the entire process takes about an hour. Pulling the battery out makes getting to it easier.
I'm a college student who doesn't much time between studies to get it done. However, the part goes wherever the Jeep goes and I have the tools on hand to change it if necessary. My Spring Break is also coming up next week and I do plan to install the new unit during that period.
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Definitely install it because sometimes they go without any warning. Make sure you can get that damn hold down bolt loose first!
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I've got a brand new crown unit if anyone needs it. Bought it for my TJ before I sold it and forgot to send it back. PM me if interested
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Ok. Maybe a dumb question but what is an opda? I have an 05. Is this something I should worry about?
Are you the same person as the person who THIS? Maybe you should try actually reading the thread.


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I replaced my oil pump drive assembly (opda) today on 2005 LJ w 26,851 miles. The drive gear was obliviously worn. I replaced it w/ a Crown Automotive Sales Company, Inc OPDA part 53010624AC. The crown part looks incredibly similar to the stock part (to an untrained eye). I called crown (googled them) they answered the phone and indicted I did indeed have the proper part and it will wear to match the wear on the cam gear, once that happens, the wear should stabilize....

Additionally, he strongly suggested I replace the cam position sensor w/ my stocker. I did. Internet rumor direct from me, but I had a great CS interaction w/ the crown fella who picked up.

I used the rotate the engine method to line up the holes in the OPDA to be pulled, pulled it and the old gasket, and installed the new opda after replacing the alignment pin into the new unit. Somewhere I read 22 ftlbs for the single screw holding the retainer clip so I did that. Post work, the Jeep started right up.

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Internet hype? Myth? My 26,800 mile gear.





My Cam Drive gear - poor pict, but it looks ok to my untrained eye.



So, I will hope the new OPDA settles in to the existing wear on the cam gear. My hope is the cam gear is harder than the OPDA gear.

Hope this helps others. I believe I have stopped a problem.

My first post, so let's see how it goes. the off to intros....
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It appears I con not edit my post, but I wanted to add that the OPDA replacement I did was prompted by the internet recognition of this issue and for preventative maintenance purposes.

The vehicle exhibited no OPDA issues, noises or oil pressure problems.

Now, if I could only find the flapper for the gas overflow issue that i have....

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Best write up I've seen for the gas flapper issue..

Wrangler TJ Gas Overflow Fix | The Official Jeep Wrangler TJ Forum

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Re the OPDA thing.

I called Chrysler years ago. They told me my TJ OPDA had been fixed in a recall in '07. Now with 175K miles,,,, no issues.
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Re the OPDA thing. I called Chrysler years ago. They told me my TJ OPDA had been fixed in a recall in '07. Now with 175K miles,,,, no issues.
Not sure if it was technically a "recall" but the Jeep Service bulletin and replacement campaign E05 if I remember correctly, was for the OPDA but was for a different issue regarding gear hardness. Jeep has never addressed the design defect that leaves the upper bushing without proper lubrication.
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Here's my story.... Changed the stock OPDA with a Dorman unit last year at 181,000 miles. Gear had some wear but nothing that looked too bad. I did not inspect the gear on the cam. About 8,000 miles later, a noise appeared as i was coming home from work and I immediately shut her down. Had it towed back to my house. Pulled the Dorman unit and noticed the shaft would not freely spin. Gear on unit was ugly. I looked down at the cam gear with a flaslight. Nothing left. I'm in the process of getting a new motor put in. I was hoping at least 275-300,000 miles before I went this route but oh well. I'm not sure if the original wear on the cam gear caused the Dorman to seize or was it because of the design.

My Jeep is a 2006 Rubi. One owner.
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I haven't noticed any sign of issues, but just for peace of mind I have ordered the Crown unit from Quadratec for my 06 for $110. I'm not a mechanic beyond simple things like changing the oil and brakes, etc. I just don't trust myself with inner-engine related issues. So I called my go-to shop to see how much they will charge to install. They told me $120. So I figure that a $230 preventative fix is much better than potentially having to replace the entire engine if it fails. Just wanted to throw that approximate number out for anyone like me who doesn't want to attempt to replace it themselves.
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Here's my story.... Changed the stock OPDA with a Dorman unit last year at 181,000 miles. Gear had some wear but nothing that looked too bad. I did not inspect the gear on the cam. About 8,000 miles later, a noise appeared as i was coming home from work and I immediately shut her down. Had it towed back to my house. Pulled the Dorman unit and noticed the shaft would not freely spin. Gear on unit was ugly. I looked down at the cam gear with a flaslight. Nothing left. I'm in the process of getting a new motor put in. I was hoping at least 275-300,000 miles before I went this route but oh well. I'm not sure if the original wear on the cam gear caused the Dorman to seize or was it because of the design.

My Jeep is a 2006 Rubi. One owner.
Can you not just replace the cam gear?
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Bought my 05 at 67k and now I'm sitting at 111k. Mine hasn't made any trouble or noise yet, but I guess I should keep an eye on it.

And danger of pulling it to check the gear at the next oil change? Does the pan need to be drained to check?
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