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Old 11-01-2019, 11:35 PM
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I'm a JK and JL builder... Literally 100+ through the hobby shop in the last 4 years. When a TJ came in, I steered clear as my experience didn't contribute to the build.

I stumbled upon a completely stock LJ Rubicon and bought it... Pics after the rear main seal is replaced.

If I like it, I will go in pretty deep in the end, long arm on 37's or 38's... But for the next 8-10 years, I want a quality driver on 33's. So poking around, I see a lot of Zone 4.25 combo recommendations... I'm not against that, just can't stand their JK stuff, so I'm hesitant. Shop owner says RE... Again, not my favorite.

I have a line on a set of the Core 4x4 tier 4 control arms with double Johnny Joints so I know those will be good.

My request is for you guys to give me what your top 2 setups to run 33's would be.

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Zone 4.25 combo
Full set Currie control arms
MC front track bar
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If daily driver on 33s means either no wheeling or light wheeling then 2 Inch spacers and a 1.25" body lift will get you there...

You won't find many long arm fans here... myself included...

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If daily driver on 33s means either no wheeling or light wheeling then 2 Inch spacers and a 1.25" body lift will get you there...

You won't find many long arm fans here... myself included...
Nope, it will be wheeled and weekend warrior. Relatively challenging trails here in AZ. I know the LA perspective here, and I'm cool with that... But there simply isn't any big builds here running short arms. But that's way down the road.... Today, tell me how you would build a short arm crawler on 33's. 🙂
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Fraid I can't help ya much there... I have zero interest in crawlers and I do most of my wheeling on leaf springs.... plenty of others will chime in soon tho...
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Just do a curry 4 inch lift. It will clear the 33s just fine. Comes with the antirock.
It does work well as a package.
I would recommend gearing, I have a 2004 LJ and went 5.13. Wish I could have gone lower, but I don't have a rubicon. You should be able to go 5.38, do it.
35s need a body lift and the things associated.

Bigger than 35s? Probably cheaper to buy a newer jeep...

I wheel by LJ whenever and wherever I can. Isn't that what the winch is for?
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Zone combo lift, MC adjustable track bar and Rancho rs5000X shocks. There's no need for long arms or going larger than 35s. Jerry B in bottom pics.
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I have a 2003 TJ on 33s.

She sports a three inch Savvy lift with a one inch body inch. The one inch body lift works in conjunction with a one inch engine lift and a Savvy tummy tuck. The tummy tuck gives a couple three inches more break over while keeping the CG down. Heavy duty Currie tie rod and drag link. She also has a matching Savvy Gas Tank Skid. This saves weight, looks good and gives another inch of clearance in the back.

The savvy dual adjustable control arms also allow for pinion adjustment for the SYE kit and Tom Woods dual Carden drift shaft.

My 42RLE likes 5.13 gear sets in the front HP30 and rear D44. The axles have Fox 2.0 shocks. I live in a no snow or ice climate and my elderly parents are in Tucson. So, Detroit Lockers in the front and back along with a Terra Two low kit in the transfer case.

To improve braking the HP30 has a Vanco Big brake kit(knuckles modified to use Ford Explorer dual piston calipers).

For 35s this same build is often used except with a four inch savvy lift.

With Centerline aluminum wheels she will go straight down the freeway at 70 like she's on rails. The wheels have 4.5 inch BS to keep pretty much under the flairs but the tires don't rub.

There is more I suppose but that hits the hi lights of my suspension.
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I have a 2005 on 33's with 4.88 gears. DPG has a good Old Man Emu set up that will clear 33's just fine and will ride really well (for a Jeep TJ/LJ). It's a 2.5ish lift with a 1.25 body lift. I know a lot of folks don't care for a body lift. But a 1.25 doesn't look bad and gives you just a little extra.
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"For 35s this same build is often used except with a four inch savvy lift."

I am pretty sure Jerry B. is using a similar Savvy lift with 4" springs in the above pic of his short arm.
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I have two jeeps and the one on the zone 4.25 kit can go pretty much anywhere my much more upgraded one can. the way I see it you have three budget points.

budget build: zone 4.25" combo, MC or currie adj front track bar, and 33" tires. that will set you back ~$700 plus tires

not so budget build: 1.25" BL, 1" MML, currie 4" coils, outboarded fox 11-12" travel remote resi shocks, anti rock, savvy control arms, adams drive shaft, tummy tuck, raised GTS, and a bunch of other little things for around $3500 plus 35" tires.

best build for stock axles, the above build with the Savvy mid arm kit, add ~$3000
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if your willing to do the work to install an LA........... maybe take a peek at Savvy mid arm. i recently moved into the "mid" range and like it way better than the SA sys.

way better movement than the SA sys and not as greedy into that belly space as the LA's.
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I have a 2005 on 33's with 4.88 gears. DPG has a good Old Man Emu set up that will clear 33's just fine and will ride really well (for a Jeep TJ/LJ). It's a 2.5ish lift with a 1.25 body lift. I know a lot of folks don't care for a body lift. But a 1.25 doesn't look bad and gives you just a little extra.
DAX - any more pictures from the side? Looking into the OME for our '04, but not sure about the body lift...
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DAX - any more pictures from the side? Looking into the OME for our '04, but not sure about the body lift...
just an FYI, every jeep in this thread except for the OP's has a 1-1.25" BL
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just an FYI, every jeep in this thread except for the OP's has a 1-1.25" BL
I understand the BL goes well with the 1" raised MM. I intend to do that. Will also tuck all I can... Sounds like the Zone Combo and the Currie 4" are the preferred options... Also going to check out the Savvy mid as that will be less $$ than the custom coilover and long arm.

Will Also look at what DPG has... No doubt Dirk is good with OME stuff.

It has to get me to retirement on 33's... That's around 8 years.

After talking it over with my wife last night, the fact that I got a Rubi instead of a sport kills the end game idea of axles and 38's...
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I have a 2005 on 33's with 4.88 gears. DPG has a good Old Man Emu set up that will clear 33's just fine and will ride really well (for a Jeep TJ/LJ). It's a 2.5ish lift with a 1.25 body lift. I know a lot of folks don't care for a body lift. But a 1.25 doesn't look bad and gives you just a little extra.
I think the body lift is pretty common in the TJ/LJ world. And works well in conjunction with the motor mounts. In a JK or JL we would never use a BL.
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I've had many Zone lifts, including my newest Rubicon with 35s. Since they discontinued their nice riding hydro shocks, I would opt for Rancho rs5000x. I'm going to try some on my XJ with 5.5" lift soon. I hope Jerry B is right about the ride quality. It's so subjective.
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Will Also look at what DPG has... No doubt Dirk is good with OME stuff.
OME used to be good when they had the nice riding yellow shocks. Those days are gone and the newer black shocks ride too stiff for most TJ folks.
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I've had many Zone lifts, including my newest Rubicon with 35s. Since they discontinued their nice riding hydro shocks, I would opt for Rancho rs5000x. I'm going to try some on my XJ with 5.5" lift soon. I hope Jerry B is right about the ride quality. It's so subjective.
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OME used to be good when they had the nice riding yellow shocks. Those days are gone and the newer black shocks ride too stiff for most TJ folks.
That's beauty you have there!

Really good info on both... My next question was going to be "are the zone shocks any good"...

I was an early adopter on the 5000X shocks on my JK. Had them right after they were released. Damn good shock for the price. I now ride on Falcons on the JK and FOX for the JL. Have also ran 9000XL's on the JK, I like the Rancho's, just have to do a little work on the finish before install.

Can you buy the Zone lift without shocks?
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That's beauty you have there!

Really good info on both... My next question was going to be "are the zone shocks any good"...

I was an early adopter on the 5000X shocks on my JK. Had them right after they were released. Damn good shock for the price. I now ride on Falcons on the JK and FOX for the JL. Have also ran 9000XL's on the JK, I like the Rancho's, just have to do a little work on the finish before install.

Can you buy the Zone lift without shocks?
Thanks. I always used the Zone hydro shocks and they rode great IMO. The nitro shocks get reviews of being too stiff, just like the newer OME shocks. Jerry B said he drove a Jeep with Zone hydro shocks and they were too soft around corners for him. That's why I always say shocks are subjective. I'm going with the Rancho rs5000X shocks next (on my XJ) to give an honest review. I did one of the first reviews on Zone lifts when they first came out. I have the 9000XL's on my Rubicon and he said they're still too stiff on the softest setting. Time will tell.
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Maybe I should clarify. My 3" savvy lift is in the coils. and the 1" BL is on top of that for 4" total.

A 35" tire build would be 4" coils and a 1" BL for a total of 5".
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Can you buy the Zone lift without shocks?
you can buy BDS springs (Zone/JKS/Fox sister company) for ~$230, the MML and BL for ~$160, bump stop extensions for ~$25, rear track bar relocation bracket for ~$60, sway bar extensions for ~$100, plus hardware


depending on what you want to use it may not be worth it to buy the pieces individually
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BL is a useful tool..............a little extra room to work and some lift that does not effect the drive line.

and those twin 44's could fetch a pretty penny if you do jump to tons and 38's down the road.
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BL is a useful tool..............a little extra room to work and some lift that does not effect the drive line.

and those twin 44's could fetch a pretty penny if you do jump to tons and 38's down the road.
True... Really comes down to how far I go at that point.

If stage 1 is enough, maybe I don't even go big... Which is why this thread is important to me. If I can do most everything I want on the 33's, I could see stopping there. But it has to be done right or I know I'll come up short.

Stage 2 on 35's:



Or Stage 3 big and 38's...

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DAX - any more pictures from the side? Looking into the OME for our '04, but not sure about the body lift...
Here you go. Sorry I couldn't get better pics, but this may help. Also, I have the OME yellow shocks. Lift was purchased and installed 6 months ago from DPG. Either they have NOS yellow shocks, or OME is still making them. IDK.
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Here you go. Sorry I couldn't get better pics, but this may help. Also, I have the OME yellow shocks. Lift was purchased and installed 6 months ago from DPG. Either they have NOS yellow shocks, or OME is still making them. IDK.
Looks good... what back spacing are you running? It appears that 3.75 to 3.5 is common. I'm planning on 33x12.5x15's.
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Looks good... what back spacing are you running? It appears that 3.75 to 3.5 is common. I'm planning on 33x12.5x15's.
I wish I could tell you. The PO had them installed and I haven't taken them off to measure.
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I wont touch zone, i ran it once on an xj, the springs were rock hard and the control arm bushings wore out fast. I run a Re 4.5 superflex, love it no issues. Its on 33's with bilstein shocks, articulates very well in fact before the limiting traps i pulled out the front extended brake lines. I rock crawl pretty hard and it still has great road manners.
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I wont touch zone, i ran it once on an xj, the springs were rock hard and the control arm bushings wore out fast. I run a Re 4.5 superflex, love it no issues. Its on 33's with bilstein shocks, articulates very well in fact before the limiting traps i pulled out the front extended brake lines. I rock crawl pretty hard and it still has great road manners.
have you cycled the front axle and verified the TB doesnt contact the diff cover?

IMO, you shouldn't need limiting straps if the proper size coils and shocks are used
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I would have to second the 4 1/2 inch Rubicon express super flex short arm kit I’ve had it for the past 15 years on 33’ and recently within the last two years on 35’s as a daily driver and wheeled the Rubicon and Fordyce creeks every summer multiple times. Never had to replace my control arm bushings once. And the only death wobble I ever had was related to tires. Keeping the control arms greased is Key to longevity. It always tracks relatively straight as a jeep can be. It’s not a perfect system but it is dependable. I run monotube shocks cause I like it stiff. And use 10 inch wide wheels to keep it wide low and as flexible as possible. Tracks well And aligned almost perfectly a year ago at the shop when I put New 35’s on.
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I think LJ’s look better and benefit from 35’s. I’d skip the 33’s.
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