Leaving the TJ market before I even owned one?!?! - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Like Tree18Likes
  • 3 Post By FLEX B
  • 2 Post By TJtoJK
  • 1 Post By C.J. Roberts
  • 1 Post By FLEX B
  • 7 Post By TheBoogieman
  • 1 Post By rgreen65
  • 1 Post By 99Wishes
  • 1 Post By tzukows
  • 1 Post By Dustdevil
Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 06-17-2019, 06:26 PM
Thread Starter
  #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 32
Leaving the TJ market before I even owned one?!?!

Okay, I was pretty pumped to sell my Scrambler and move into a TJ, specifically wanted the LJR. As some read, I even put down and ultimately forfeited my deposit on my dream setup.

After reading everything from PCM to OPDA, I donít think I can get myself to buy one. Mainly because of the PCM. I even considered building up an 04 LJ to essentially make my own LJR but that would easily pass $10k on top of purchasing the Jeep. I didnít do the math, but itís gotta be donít you think? With two kids, a dog, and gear we really need the extra space so a TJ Rubicon isnít an option.

No, I definitely donít need a Rubicon for 95% of what we will do but I also donít want to miss out on not having one just in case. Plus, I will always regret not buying one.

Now, whether I want to or not, I think I have to look into the 2012+ JKU unlimited Rubicon. Never thought I would own a 4-door Jeep. As in Never ever. I prefer vintage or traditional over modern and unique over typical. I mean there are so many 4-door Jeeps on the road. Thatís what I am giving up. Sadly, I have come to that conclusion and over the last week or so itís starting to grow on me.

Itís really unfortunate, because the LJR is one of the coolest Jeeps ever made. Iím jealous of everyone who has one (and always will be). I canít think of another way to make it work. Can you? As anyone else been down this road? My ideal budget is $20-22k. Isnít building my own LJR going to bust my budget? Any other suggestions?




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

99Wishes is online now   Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 06:44 PM   #2
Supporting Member

5-Year WF Supporting Member
 
FLEX B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: East Coast, NJ - FL.
Posts: 772
Just because you buy it right away, doesn't mean you need to build it right away...

I've owned Jeeps that were never modified. I've owned Jeeps it took a while to modify. I've owned Jeeps (including my current JKURHR) and built them right away..

Some drive the Rubicon Trail with no modification at all...

The solution to your problem might be as simply as;

Decide what you want

Decide what you want to do with it
and

Budget money and time to get there once you have it
87_WhyJay, brian m and Tobymac27 like this.

__________________
2016 JKURHR Auto, 3.5Ē RK X Factor(FA), Fox 2.0 Performance shocks & ATS, JKS Flex Connects, Steer(notso)Smart Top mount drag link & track bar, RK Pro tie rod, Adams 1350 front & rear drive shafts, Spicer 4.88ís, RCV 300M rear & chromoly front, TF HD ball joints, truss, gusset & sleeve reinforcements, Mopar BBK front, Dynatrac 14.25Ē rears, AEV diff covers, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Fuel Zephyr bead locks and so on...
Previous: 2000 TJ *Bish* / 1997 TJ /1994 YJ /1987 XJ / 1963 CJ - 1st Jeep.
FLEX B is online now   Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 06:54 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
TJtoJK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Panhandle Texas
Posts: 433
Try to test drive a TJ and then for a JK next. That way you have a benchmark and can decide better.
FLEX B and gsindela like this.
TJtoJK is online now   Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-17-2019, 06:55 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
Gottagofast's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 7,066
Rubicon is WAY over rated.... only extreme rock crawlers really need the 4:1 case and you can add much better lockers to a non rubi for 2-3k....
__________________
Currently in the stable...
97 tj 2.5 5 speed stock... 97 tj 4.0 5 speed stock....04 tj 4.0 auto 4" and 33's... 98 tj roller for future build... 94 yj sahara 4.5" RE and 33's... 92 yj chev V8 3/4 ton axles and 38's... Cj5,7,yj,xj,ex mud dragster turned woods buggy

TJ dash speakers that actually rock! Kicker sub and amp in center console
Gottagofast is offline   Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 07:11 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gottagofast View Post
Rubicon is WAY over rated.... only extreme rock crawlers really need the 4:1 case and you can add much better lockers to a non rubi for 2-3k....
Agreed. If you buy an 04 LJ you could build the stock axles to handle 35s. You could also keep the np231 transfer Case and install a Rubicrawler underdrive if you need lower gearing for rockcrawling. My Rubicrawler equipped rig has a 113:1 crawl ratio in 4low, which is necessary for the terrain I traverse.
Blort is offline   Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 07:29 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
C.J. Roberts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by 99Wishes View Post
Okay, I was pretty pumped to sell my Scrambler and move into a TJ, specifically wanted the LJR. As some read, I even put down and ultimately forfeited my deposit on my dream setup.
After reading everything from PCM to OPDA, I donít think I can get myself to buy one. Mainly because of the PCM.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You might consider a slightly older, though not a LJ, but a TJ. From everything I've read, the 2002s seem to have less problems than others. Definitely not PCM or ODPA. Nor are they disposed to bad heads, cracked manifolds or other problems that you hear of.
Finally, consider this: the only ones you hear of are the bad ones. Owners who DON'T have problems aren't on these forums looking for answers.
Listen to the rush hour traffic reports where you are. All you hear reported are the accidents. They never mention the thousands who make it to work and back home without incident.
Never give up your dreams. They say that Life is what happens while you're waiting for your dreams to come true. But if you put some work into it, along with a big dose of patience, you might get what you ultimately want.
I lost my previous Jeep, a '87 YJ, in 1990. Life came along and I didn't have a Jeep for many years. Eventually though, that same Life circled around, and I now have a Jeep again. And I couldn't be happier about it. Every time I get into it, I'm reminded of what it felt like those twenty-five and more years ago. Get the Jeep you want, if you "settle", you'll always wonder, "What if..."
Tobymac27 likes this.
__________________
Let's be honest here. Jeeps,are utilitarian and temperamental, crude, loud, rough, cramped, bad on gas, impractical, but they are capable off road and a hell of a lot of fun to drive!
C.J. Roberts is online now   Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 07:56 PM   #7
Supporting Member

5-Year WF Supporting Member
 
FLEX B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: East Coast, NJ - FL.
Posts: 772
Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J. Roberts View Post
You might consider a slightly older, though not a LJ, but a TJ. From everything I've read, the 2002s seem to have less problems than others. Definitely not PCM or ODPA. Nor are they disposed to bad heads, cracked manifolds or other problems that you hear of.
Finally, consider this: the only ones you hear of are the bad ones. Owners who DON'T have problems aren't on these forums looking for answers.
Listen to the rush hour traffic reports where you are. All you hear reported are the accidents. They never mention the thousands who make it to work and back home without incident.
Never give up your dreams. They say that Life is what happens while you're waiting for your dreams to come true. But if you put some work into it, along with a big dose of patience, you might get what you ultimately want.
I lost my previous Jeep, a '87 YJ, in 1990. Life came along and I didn't have a Jeep for many years. Eventually though, that same Life circled around, and I now have a Jeep again. And I couldn't be happier about it. Every time I get into it, I'm reminded of what it felt like those twenty-five and more years ago. Get the Jeep you want, if you "settle", you'll always wonder, "What if..."

x2 PLUS I had a TJ 2000 and 1997. The 1997 I sold early.. The 2000 I sold with 130,000 miles. Never had a problem with the engine or PCM (never). My current Jeep excluded it's my favorite Jeep and I used her the way she was built and then some. Rolled her, rolled her back and drove her some more before selling her to some cop out in TX that is still driving her..
Tobymac27 likes this.
__________________
2016 JKURHR Auto, 3.5Ē RK X Factor(FA), Fox 2.0 Performance shocks & ATS, JKS Flex Connects, Steer(notso)Smart Top mount drag link & track bar, RK Pro tie rod, Adams 1350 front & rear drive shafts, Spicer 4.88ís, RCV 300M rear & chromoly front, TF HD ball joints, truss, gusset & sleeve reinforcements, Mopar BBK front, Dynatrac 14.25Ē rears, AEV diff covers, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Fuel Zephyr bead locks and so on...
Previous: 2000 TJ *Bish* / 1997 TJ /1994 YJ /1987 XJ / 1963 CJ - 1st Jeep.
FLEX B is online now   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 08:03 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
TheBoogieman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: CharlottesHELL, Va
Posts: 2,049
OPDA is a minor thing and the PCM is only a problem in an auto. I've had a couple of 05' 6 speeds and never had any problems. That 4:1 t-case is great for crawling. A regular TJ NP231 doesn't compare.
__________________
03' Rubicon/Zone 4.25" combo lift/Rancho 9000XL shocks/5.13 gears-35" MTZs/LoD bumpers/Black Magic brakes
99' XJ under construction/ 5" BDS lift/ HP30-8.25/ 33" DC MTs. (JEEP #18).
TheBoogieman is offline   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 11:14 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
rgreen65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: S. Georgia
Posts: 5,534
OP - the OPDA is a relatively easy fix if it hasn't already been done. Replace the OPDA, but use the OEM sensor in it. The PCM only affects the automatics. Even that can be worked around. Most of the issue is hard shifting from 1st to 2nd when COLD. Owner say, the solution is to let the engine warm up first.

On the other hand, my 2003 Rubicon is nice. The low range and lockers also come in handy when pulling small stumps. No jerking, just tension the chain and then a little gas. If the stump won't budge you have a good verification of the lockers working with the four divots.

Like 4 wheel drive, I would rather have the lockers and not need them than need them and not have them.


The LJ also limits you in certain areas. Tops for example have a limited selection. Some of the nice tops for a TJ are not available for an LJ because of the limited market. Parts for the top frame are different and very hard to find compared to the regular TJ top frame.
Tobymac27 likes this.
__________________
2003 Light Khaki TJ Rubicon Soft Top
2015 Anvil JKU Sahara Hard Top - Traded
2017 Chief JKU Chief Hard Top
rgreen65 is offline   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 11:41 AM
Thread Starter
  #10
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blort View Post
Agreed. If you buy an 04 LJ you could build the stock axles to handle 35s. You could also keep the np231 transfer Case and install a Rubicrawler underdrive if you need lower gearing for rockcrawling. My Rubicrawler equipped rig has a 113:1 crawl ratio in 4low, which is necessary for the terrain I traverse.


True. Thatís what I would do. I plan to use 33s on whatever I get, however I could easily end up with 35s. Really I could modify the rear axle and wait on the front. I just know I want electronic lockers on both eventually.

I wonít do any extreme crawling so maybe I would be happy with the transfer case. I just donít want to build things twice.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
FLEX B likes this.
99Wishes is online now   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 11:43 AM
Thread Starter
  #11
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoogieman View Post
OPDA is a minor thing and the PCM is only a problem in an auto. I've had a couple of 05' 6 speeds and never had any problems. That 4:1 t-case is great for crawling. A regular TJ NP231 doesn't compare.


Yeah, itís the PCM issue first and foremost. Everything else has a very clear fix.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
99Wishes is online now   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 12:07 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,010
Quote:
Originally Posted by 99Wishes View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoogieman View Post
OPDA is a minor thing and the PCM is only a problem in an auto. I've had a couple of 05' 6 speeds and never had any problems. That 4:1 t-case is great for crawling. A regular TJ NP231 doesn't compare.


Yeah, it’s the PCM issue first and foremost. Everything else has a very clear fix.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have an 06 with a bad PCM. Rig drives fine but CEL never permanently goes away.

For 33” tires and moderate wheeling the NP231 is a fine transfer case.
Blort is offline   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 02:01 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
tzukows's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 695
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoogieman View Post
OPDA is a minor thing and the PCM is only a problem in an auto. I've had a couple of 05' 6 speeds and never had any problems. That 4:1 t-case is great for crawling. A regular TJ NP231 doesn't compare.
I have also found I like the 4:1 when in traffic. 1st gear lets me crawl slow and steady in stop and go traffic, with minimal clutch work.
TheBoogieman likes this.
__________________
/l ,[____],
l---L -OlllllllO-
()_)-()_)-o-)_)
****************
05 TJ Rubicon
tzukows is offline   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 03:28 PM   #14
Newb
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 10
I've heard people say that the Rubicon 4:1 low range t-case is too low for many purposes. But don't you just use the transmission in 2nd gear to get back down to a more "reasonable" low ratio? Or is this only a problem with the automatic if it won't actually select 2nd gear?

Rob
Teddydogno1 is offline   Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 09:51 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Jackman, ME
Posts: 646
Send a message via Yahoo to NH2112
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoogieman View Post
OPDA is a minor thing and the PCM is only a problem in an auto. I've had a couple of 05' 6 speeds and never had any problems. That 4:1 t-case is great for crawling. A regular TJ NP231 doesn't compare.
Yep, replacing the OPDA is what, a 30 minute job max, requiring a wrench and Torx bit. When it starts making noise replace it and youíll never have a problem. For the wheeling I do an NP231 would work fine, I just rarely use 1st or 2nd low but theyíre there if I need them. When I get to installing the driveline on my YJ build Iíll most likely be using the 241OR from my Rubicon, which will get a 231 and may even lose the lift.
__________________
Phil

2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 4.0l, 6-speed.

1990 Jeep Wrangler Sahara, work in progress. Mercedes OM617 turbodiesel, intercooler if I can make room, 700R4, NVG241OR, Ford Dana 60 front & GM 14-bolt FF rear, SOA, SRS.
NH2112 is offline   Quote
Old 06-20-2019, 08:45 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,405
We have three 4.0 wranglers all chosen carefully to avoid the common problems

One is a 91 YJ with auto problem free at just over 200K miles although does need a little R134 added each summer
I know factory ac was still R12 but this one has dealer add on AC so is R134a

Next is wifeís 04 rubi 5 spd
Has 90k miles and only major item was replacing failed mini cats

Last is my 98 sport 5spd d44 rear ARB lockers and 40k miles and would never trade it for a rubi

I would avoid rust first
Next always 4.0
Next a pox on both 05-06 trannies
Either 5 speed or the 3 spd auto

Last I hate the NGC computer after it heat sensitive code throwing error on our turbo pt cruiser

Thus much much more then opda make me avoid all 05-06



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Digger84 is online now   Quote
Old 06-20-2019, 08:51 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,405
I forgot one other rubi repair replaced starter after key stuck in start and burnt it up

Came to where wife was stuck and bump started the 5 spd
Drove it home and replaced ign switch and starter (autozone lifetime - heard all the horror stories) but has zero starter problems since and that was 3 years ago


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Digger84 is online now   Quote
Old 06-21-2019, 12:46 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
info4tim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 832
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digger84 View Post
I forgot one other rubi repair replaced starter after key stuck in start and burnt it up

Came to where wife was stuck and bump started the 5 spd
Drove it home and replaced ign switch and starter (autozone lifetime - heard all the horror stories) but has zero starter problems since and that was 3 years ago


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So you're alright then wrenching same part over a "lifetime" then lol

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
info4tim is offline   Quote
Old 06-21-2019, 12:52 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,405
Leaving the TJ market before I even owned one?!?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by info4tim View Post
So you're alright then wrenching same part over a "lifetime" then lol

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk


Lets see
Manual tranny so can push/bump start if starter fails
Free lifetime swap just bring back old one and give my phone number
Was available day part failed no waiting
Has lasted years of use no issues
Takes about 5 minutes and two size wrenches to change donít even have to jack up the vehicle

Hell yes autozone starter was a no brainer and has worked out great at half cost of oem plus if switch gets stuck again it would burn up oem just as fast but with autozone replacement part is free




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Digger84 is online now   Quote
Old 06-22-2019, 12:00 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Jackman, ME
Posts: 646
Send a message via Yahoo to NH2112
For how easy it is to change a starter on a 4.0l I’ll buy a parts store brand for <1/2 cost of a Mopar and take a chance on having to do it sooner. I’d buy 2 and keep the second one in the vehicle if I was really worried about it or planned on going someplace where a bad starter would be more than an inconvenience.

Regarding problems with the NSG370, I know there were some in 05 but that’s the way it is with new parts for any model year of any vehicle. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve read first-person reports of any problems on 2 Jeep forums, all the others are “friend of a friend of a friend” stories. I like mine as much as I liked my AX15 and NVG3550, maybe even a little more than either for the respective 16%/11% deeper 1st gear. Overdrive is only a few percent lower than the 5 speeds. It’s biggest problem, IMO, is the cost of repair or replacement. If I couldn’t find one at what I thought was a reasonable price I’d put a 5-speed in and be happy.
__________________
Phil

2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 4.0l, 6-speed.

1990 Jeep Wrangler Sahara, work in progress. Mercedes OM617 turbodiesel, intercooler if I can make room, 700R4, NVG241OR, Ford Dana 60 front & GM 14-bolt FF rear, SOA, SRS.
NH2112 is offline   Quote
Old 06-24-2019, 05:22 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
freedom_in_4low's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 211
Shopping around I found a shop to regear both axles and install one Eaton e-locker for $750 labor, total. Add on $1k per axle for the lockers and you've got selectable lockers at both ends for less than the Rubicon upcharge, at least around here.
__________________
Joe
1999 Wrangler Sahara
IG: @freedom_in_4low
freedom_in_4low is offline   Quote
Old 06-24-2019, 05:29 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,405
Well even jp mag rated the six speed as one of all time worst as after swapping in one they could not make it last

Plus regardless of who says what the fact that parts were first way more expensive then either 5 speed and now unobtainable makes that German pos 6spd better suited for yard art or a a door stop as unreliable plus no parts to fix it is a real problem

The fact that there is a market for custom parts to allow swap to the 5spd also is very strong evidence that issues with the 6 speed are not rare but common enough to create a market to replace it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Digger84 is online now   Quote
Old 06-24-2019, 09:34 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Jackman, ME
Posts: 646
Send a message via Yahoo to NH2112
Ah, JP Mag, so more hearsay. Did they give the conditions in which it was used, what broke and why, etc? Simply saying “they could not make it last” means nothing. I gave a 2001 Honda Civic in very good condition (164K miles) to a friend, she nearly destroyed it within 10K miles. Honda Civics must be junk, then! Never mind that she drove it like a bat out of hell down logging roads.

If higher parts and repair costs are indicative of a POS, then the CJ is the best Jeep ever and every subsequent model has been a bigger POS. After all, an average mechanic with a couple hundred bucks worth of Craftsman tools can do almost any repair on a CJ in his garage or driveway.

There’s a company that makes bellhousing adapters to swap the Mercedes OM617 turbodiesel in place of many engines, including the Toyota 22R and Jeep 4.2l/4.0l. That must mean those engines are junk.

I’ve made a poll in the JK GD forum, let's see if owners’ experiences and the rumor mill agree.
__________________
Phil

2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 4.0l, 6-speed.

1990 Jeep Wrangler Sahara, work in progress. Mercedes OM617 turbodiesel, intercooler if I can make room, 700R4, NVG241OR, Ford Dana 60 front & GM 14-bolt FF rear, SOA, SRS.
NH2112 is offline   Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 01:53 PM   #24
Jeeper
 
gsindela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Geneva, IL
Posts: 445
I get that I may get massacred for this, but here goes: You can get a brand new JL sport for roughly $27k plus ttl. I know we are comparing apples to oranges in many respects, but for the inflated prices I see on used Jeeps, if I were you I would seriously think about either stretching my budget a bit or finance options on a brand new one. I'm referring to the 2 door; I believe the unlimited starts a few grand higher.

A new car with a new warranty has loads of advantages.

Yes, it would be a stripper, but you could build it over time.
gsindela is offline   Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 09:06 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Dustdevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Orange County, Ca
Posts: 1,371
We all know the value of the LJ. The space. Half the value of the Rubi package is the air lockers. If you're going to replace them anyway, just get the LJ and do the OPDA mod for 110 bucks and do the lockers whenever you can.

they do have D44 front and rear. If you are going to 33s, the 4:10 axles are fine. If 35s, then you'll need to re-gear anyway. Might as well save the cash, get a LJ without the Rubi package, and live with the 2.73:1 transfer case ratio. For mud, that's better than 4:1 transfer case. For almost anything else, the 241OR is awesome! Steep hills, rocks, tree roots, stump pulling, etc, it's better. But for dirt roads and slippery conditions, nothing wrong with NP231.

You could also pick up the LJR with 6 speed, and figure on spending maybe $3500 on the AX15 swap if the 6 speed is shot. If it is, ought to be a bargain from the seller, maybe almost enough to cover the swap. That would be the best of all possible worlds for me. There is also a thread around here somewhere regarding a couple of outfits that have reproduced the PCM section of the 05/06 in a separate module, and they claim to have found success with it. Maybe $500-600 or so for the mod, and a day of effort.

You have options.
gsindela likes this.

__________________
06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited, hardtop, Bestop Safari soft top, 6 spd, cruise, Warn 8274, Dirtworx front bumper/winch mount, Dirtworx rear bumper/tire rack, JKS Adj Trackbar, JKS Quick Disco, Rigid SR-Q Floods, Bedrug/Bedtred, OBA, Security, CB, JeepLocker on BFG TA KO2 33's, Zone 4.25 Hydro less body lift for net 3".
Dustdevil is offline   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off






All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Jeepģ, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC