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Old 08-15-2019, 01:19 AM
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LJ question

Iím currently a YJ owner and have been thinking of getting a LJ Rubicon, Iíve heard of a few years there was an issue with something? Sorry, canít remember haha. Is there proís and cons of each of the years? If Iím not mistaken they only came out from 2004-2006, correct? Any insight on this? Thanks.


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If you want an LJ Rubicon, they were only available in í05 and Ď06, so your only decision will be auto vs manual.

All of these LJ Rubicons have potential issues with the OPDA (Oil Pump Drive Assembly/Camshaft Synchronizer) and they will also likely have an issue with their PCM at some point, though the issue is more likely with the auto because the TCM (Transmission Control Module) was incorporated in to the PCM in í05.

OPDA: The OPDA is prone to wear and failure. If you search Jeep Wrangler OPDA, youíll find plenty of information. The fix is the Crown unit (about $100.00). My original OPDA failed at 142,000 miles, the Dorman replacement failed at 176,000, and Iíve been running the Crown unit without any further issues ever since (currently at 240,000 miles).

PCM: This is also a common issue for the í05 and í06 TJs. Again, if you search, youíll find a lot of information. PCM failure is more common with the auto, but there are also failures with the manual models. Expect $700.00-$1,500, depending on vehicle options and PCM sources.

I donít have any experience with the NGS370 6-speed manual, but the 42RLE 4-speed auto can have reliability issues, and it's a quirky transmission with its 0.69:1 overdrive. First and reverse are particularly weak, especially if you are under-geared or have a habit of accelerating hard from a stop. If you plan to do any off-roading, an additional cooler is an absolute must.

As far as owning an LJ goes, I love my í05 LJ (purchased May 2012). Unlike my í01 TJ, I donít need a roof rack to travel and I can also drive comfortably all day at 70+ MPH.

If you're not absolutely set on having an LJ Rubicon, '04 is the best year for LJs. The only transmission available was the 42RLE, but you wouldn't have to worry about the OPDA or PCM issues.

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Thank you much! I have some thinking to do


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Thank you much! I have some thinking to do.

Think hard about whether you really need a Rubicon.
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Thank you much! I have some thinking to do.

Think hard about whether you really need a Rubicon.
Care to elaborate a little. Reason I say that is this is something I’m thinking about, amongst a hundred other TJ questions.
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Care to elaborate a little. Reason I say that is this is something Iím thinking about, amongst a hundred other TJ questions.


Do you need lockers and the lower range gearing in 4lo? Thatís really the benefit of the rubi. If you are driving on the street or moderate trails the rubi wonít be needed.
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I've had my 06 LJ (manual) since 2015 (2nd Jeep, had a 99 before). LOVE IT!!! I had the ODPA issue (around 120K), easy fix. All other issues have been lift/suspension related(not a huge fan of Rock Krawler now, just sayin) not the Jeep itself.

As far as the Rubi, I haven't had any issues with having just the LJ, of course I re-geared it with the lift installation and didn't need lockers for a south Texas Beach Jeep so the Rubicon was overkill. If you find one I'd jump on it, but I wouldn't pass up a good LJ just for that reason. There aren't a lot of them around!!! I've lived in Texas and Virginia since I got mine and I can honestly say I've never seen another LJ pass me on the road.
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I have had my 06 LJ (ngs370) since January 2015 (I had a 99 TJ just like bwilson996 prior to my LJ) and I replaced the OEM ODPA with a Crown unit almost immediately. I have not had any issues with my LJ either. Its my DD and my trail ride as well.
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Alright, I wanna play.

I have a 2006 LJR(6-speed) that I purchased from the third owner in August of 2017. Also my second Jeep, as I sold a (wait for it) '99 TJ Sport when the LJ was acquired.

As far as power-train issues with the LJ, I've not had any, but take into account that my example has been a tow vehicle almost all it's existence and has just recently past 36K miles.

As done by 44MB, I changed the OPDA to a Crown unit almost immediately, along with a complete fluid flush, just for precautionary measures.

As others have stated, weigh-out your pros and cons on LJ "vs" LJR.
Personally, for what I use it for, the Rubi is way over the top overkill, but my search for any variety of a decent condition LJ was lengthy (about 2 yrs) and the price was right.
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I've never seen another LJ pass me on the road.

Come visit up in CO...there are plenty. Iíve even got a guy at work that basically has my twin Jeep.
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Iím feeling I donít want to buy air lockers and have them installed when I could just get a Rubicon. The transfer case option is nice for crawling which is pricey as well if you wanted to add it to a non Rubicon model. Iíve dumped a lot into the yj and know I would do it again if I got a sport or base model. Donít they come with D44ís front and rear on the Rubicon? And no, I donít want a 4-door lol.


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Iím feeling I donít want to buy air lockers and have them installed when I could just get a Rubicon. The transfer case option is nice for crawling which is pricey as well if you wanted to add it to a non Rubicon model. Iíve dumped a lot into the yj and know I would do it again if I got a sport or base model. Donít they come with D44ís front and rear on the Rubicon? And no, I donít want a 4-door lol.


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Correct, all Rubicons come with the D44 front and rear with air lockers.
Also, all LJs come with a rear D44.
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If you can get a ‘06 LJR at a good price, grab it. I’m third owner, about to hit 100k, factory clutch n 6 speed. I’ll get flak, but I wish she was an automatic. All my vehicles are stick, but after driving a few automatics offroad vs manual, auto is more enjoyable for me.
The LJR is very rare, less than 4K made I think in ‘06
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The gas tank back flow valves valves tend to stick on 05-06's. The fix is relatively simple, and you will want to fix it after the first time you get doused with petrol at the pump....
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I own a 2006 LJ Rubicon. This is my take on the "issues" often articulated as reasons to avoid the 05-06 model years:

OPDA - It is a simple $100 fix if replacement becomes necessary. For the majority of LJ's that is never.

42RLE Transmission - although described by some as "weak," the failure rate isn't any greater than other automatic transmissions. The 0.69:1 overdrive ratio can be problematic, but that can be remedied with appropriate axle gears. Admittedly this is not cheap, but since larger tires typically require re-gearing anyway this isn't really an additional expense for someone already considering 33" or 35" tires. Or you can address the steep overdrive for free by simply switching OD "off" whenever you put the transmission in gear.

Fuel Tank fill/burp issues - This affects the 05-06 model years and is another easy fix. Although some try a band-aid approach and graft in a GM filler hose with flap valve, the true fix is to drop the tank, sand down the nubs on the plastic overflow valve, then reinstall the tank. The only cost is labor, which is free if you DIY.

ECM/TCM failure - This actually affects only a very small percentage of the 05-06 production run. It is not common at all despite that characterization in Post #2. The failure is evidenced by a hard shift from 1-2 when cold, which does not occur once the 42RLE transmission is allowed to warm up. Some people who experience this issue simply warm up their rigs a bit longer before shifting into gear for the first time each day. Others buy a new computer from sources such as Wranglerfix.com and Flagship One. Cost is about $600 IIRC.

The bottom line is that there are no inherent defects in 05-06 LJ's that cannot be remedied. Factor the cost to address all of the potential issues should they occur into your purchase offer and you will do just fine.
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. . . The LJR is very rare, less than 4K made I think in Ď06
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Total production, 2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon - 6,948
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So, although the issues described above are mostly 04-06 lj specific issues - some other things to look for that are problematic for stock jeeps in general:


Issue: Fog lamp switch failure (poor design - to many watts through to small of wires).
Fix Add a relay so the fogs are directly to the battery only a minor draw through the switch to trigger the relay. all will work as stock.


Issue: Some 05's mis -wired such that "cat heater not ready" or something similar - a simple fix requiring a minor rewire per a TSB.


Issue: Rust.


I am sure there are other common issues to look for in a general jeep purchase assessment.
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Total production, 2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon - 6,948
I forget the number I threw out was for 6 speed LJR. I believe they built 2-300 more automatics than they did manual.

Regardless, the LJ is my favorite Wrangler built to date. Extra room, both leg and Ďtrunkí. Rare. Non Jeepers think you cut/extended the tub. Not sure about other years, but my Ď06 LJR is loaded with AC, cruise, sat radio, steering wheel controls, auto dimming mirror with temp/compass built in. Iíve had so called Ďpuristsí say real jeeps donít have all the extras... 🤣
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Still deciding if I should go with hard top or soft top and auto or stick? Any votes for either? I have a soft top on my YJ and sometimes wish I had the hard top for better security. I know storing the hard top will be more of a problem when I take it off.


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I bought my 06 LJ in 2009 with 34K on it with a 6SPD stick and soft top. I have 230K on it now with same clutch. The soft top back window zipper got rusty, even when I got it. Now it won't unzip to open and remove soft top. it worked for a few years. Now I need to replaced the heater core.

This is my daily driver and the soft top in sub zero Michigan winters has never been a problem. I just adjust the heat, take off my coat and drive in the sub zero weather going 42 miles to work. Driving in rush hour the manual hasn't been too bad. If traffic is real slow I can put it in 1st gear and idle slowly without worrying about shifting too much. Concentrating on the correct gear to be in keeps me awake while driving in too.

We also have an 06 LJ Auto, bought in 2010, with 144K on it and a hard top. We have removed the hard top a couple times. Not difficult, just be sure to use at least 2 people. Always wish I had a soft top instead of the hard top in the summer for easier removal.

I've driven the Auto to work as DD too. The auto is dangerous in that I tend to time the acceleration at times and fly through traffic when I should be more careful.

On the plus side......the 06 LJ Auto came with a soft top that the original owner seems to have Never used. Plastic windows still in the box. I'll be using it for the manual LJ one of these days. I'll keep the bad soft top for the winter.

So depending on your thoughts, I like the soft top more.

As far as security, my daughter's 05 TJ has a hard top. Once she locked her keys inside. The mechanic easily unlocked the door without damaging the window or door. So security means nothing to a thief that knows what they're doing. But with the soft top even the stupid thief can just unzip your windows, if they realize there are zippers, but at least there's no damage if they unzip it right. Just don't leave anything of value in your Jeep.
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The NSG370 is not a good transmission so plan in advance for an AX15 swap because you will eventually need it. Rubicon Dana 44's are not real Dana 44's they are dana 30/35's with a D44 center section they still have small diameter thin wall tubes. If you want dana 44's with larger diameter thicker tubes you will have to look elsewhere. Putting locking hubs on any wrangler D30/44 is very expensive and the smaller 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern hubs are not as strong as the old chevy/ford/dodge/jeep warn hubs. You are better off going with custom built D44's they are much beefier and the C's for old school D44 knuckles are much stronger so you dont need to weld gussets on them to prevent bending.
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I have 2 2004 LJs. Other than descending steep hills, I've not noticed the need for the lower T-case. And yes, I crawl on rocks monthly, rocks large enough with a 4in Currie lift on 35s still scrape the bumpers and sliders







That's why I spent the money on bumpers and sliders.

Other than the 42RLE and rust, the 2004s are not plagued with the above issues, regardless of how small those issues may be.

I can't justify the extra 5k Rubicon tax. 5k goes a long way in other upgrades.

That 5k for me, was spent on HP30, front and rear electric Ox lockers, gears, chromolly shafts and rebuild kits. All of which, I would have still had to do on a Rubi
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That 5k for me, was spent on HP30, front and rear electric Ox lockers, gears, chromolly shafts and rebuild kits. All of which, I would have still had to do on a Rubi[/QUOTE]


Does it not come with a HP30?




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That 5k for me, was spent on HP30, front and rear electric Ox lockers, gears, chromolly shafts and rebuild kits. All of which, I would have still had to do on a Rubi

Does it not come with a HP30?

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All TJ's/LJ's were low pinion even the Rubicons. Rubicon Dana 44's are not all they are made out to be they are hybrid dana 30/35 and aftermarket selectable lockers are stronger than the proprietary lockers that came in the Rubicons.
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Thanks agalloch07, I figured the lockers were probably Ďgood enoughí in the Rubicon but imagined there was better? Never had a TJ so assumed they were HP, oh well. Just empty every pocket, right?


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Come visit up in CO...there are plenty. Iíve even got a guy at work that basically has my twin Jeep.
No kidding. LJ's and FJ cruisers are everwhere.
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Not a whole lot to choose from around here, Iíve found 2 that Iím interested in but one is 900 miles away and other in AZ I believe. Everything I found is in the 9-16,000.00 range. The 2 I looked at on car gurus are 104k and 110k miles, clean titles and no accident history.


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Keep in mind while shopping that an lj hardtop is EXPENSIVE! So one included in the sale is a big bonus.... often (but not always) the interior will be in better shape in a hardtop equipped jeep

If it were my I'd look for an 04 and no way I'd want a rubicon... Hp 30 from an xj and aftermarket lockers and you're already better off imho since I wouldn't want the 4:1 case... IMHO if it's geared right for the highway then 2.7:1 will be plenty offroad...
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