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Old 04-24-2018, 08:44 AM   #31
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No one who knows anything about engine wear thinks it is a good idea but the sheeple will bend over and buy crap just like they did with aluminum wiring


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If you're considering a JL with the diesel engine I'd suggest you do some reason before you buy! Google it would probably be the best thing. I'm sure Google's answer would be more accurate than mine.
I googled it it's just adblue, that's not a concern of mine.

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Diesel exhaust fluid. It breaks down emissions like NOX for cleaner burning engines. It is a heck of a lot better than the diesel particulate filter they used for awhile which killed MPGs. Its required on any diesel nowadays. From my experience with it, very low maintenance and tend to burn an 1/8th of its tank per 1500 actual miles driven. I dont know what the consumption of it would be on something like the JL, but the 3/4 to 1 ton trucks I drive with it its not an issue.
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Nah, It's not going to be as bad as everyone is saying... Benz and other companies have been using this tech for years now and it's held up fine! (Benz is probably not the best example lol, but you get my point)
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Sure every thing we know is magically changed

Hurd lots of BS like that before

Like the Benz 6spd is better then the 5sp

Funny how time tells the truth and the truth about most wear during start up is still the truth


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Sure every thing we know is magically changed

Hurd lots of BS like that before

Like the Benz 6spd is better then the 5sp

Funny how time tells the truth and the truth about most wear during start up is still the truth


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Send me some literature proving, with sources, ESS on *Any Jeep model vehicle has decreased the engine lifespan.
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Start stop tech came out in the mid-90's we're not exactly breaking new ground here

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Pretend reality has changed all you want no oil pressure on start up and that will cause wear and now you want to start 20 times as often
Capital idea

They thought aluminum wiring was a great cost saver too

Engines donít wear out in days or months but wear out they will with excessive starts been part of the known universe of engine design for many many many decades you chase the literature ainít my job to do it for you




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A blind man could see through what you're saying. I'm not one to go after people on the forum, but I can't stand when people go around bashing something and they don't even have their facts straight. You have literally zero evidence or proof what you're saying is true. As said above, this tech has been around since the 90's and came to the wide market in 04-05. If there was a major flaw, We'd know about it by now. If you're an engineer, I hope it's of shopping carts.

I have no other details about this topic to give you at this time. Feel like I'm at the WayALife forum. I made this thread about my lust for TJ's, not to have a pissing contest.
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There is plenty of proof on start up wear with studies using radioactive trace in wear components and subsequent looking for it in the oil

Sorry I don't have the patience to get you up to speed but you really should disclosue your acciciation bias up front

Kind of the ethical standard

Now if you want to agrue with 80 plus years of established fact have fun but I don't think there is any justificatiin to rewrite established knowledge

But maybe you have a discovery like H Pilori up your sleeves and will prove us all wrong

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@tabber02 @Sinister6 Can we honestly just lock Digger84 out of this thread, please?
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I plan to purchase a 2-door JL Rubicon in about the summer of 2020. I will be keeping my TJ Rubicon all the same as I do not need the money to buy the other. Why 2020, well it is an even number and it took them two years to almost make the JK stop leaking though it took them, what, four years to loose the minivan 3.8 oil burning piece of crap. I figure with the mistake known as the JunK behind them surely, and I do think they did, apply some hard learned lessons to the JL, everything the JunK should have been, more Jeep, less minivan.

Though like all vehicles today, the JL is too big, too heavy, to wide, too bloated, to fat, to flatulent and pretentious. It needs to be the size of a TJ/LJ. They could have lengthened the LJ a little more and we could have a TJ, LJ and a four-door soccer version with electric locks, power windows and a butt warmer. Maybe they should make one with the rear gate open when you place your foot under the bumper and whistle Dixie. Could have.

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