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Old 04-16-2019, 09:02 PM
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Newbie Lift w/ New Gears or Used Axles

Hello, everyone.

I'm a newbie who just bought a 2001 TJ Sport 4.0 automatic. (Dana30 in the front and Dana35 in the back, both with 3.07 gearing.) I plan to learn some mild off-roading with a local club this summer, and I'd like to prepare my Jeep for moderate off-roading in the future, just in case I like it.

The PO gave it 32" tires (255x70R18) on a stock suspension, and I'd like to lift it and add 33" tires. (You've already helped me decide on new 15" rims.) He also added G2 Axle&Gear 1.25" adapter/spacers to make the switch from 5-4.5" to 5-5" wheels, so advice on keeping those spacers vs switching back to 5-4.5" wheels would be welcome.

I've read a lot on this forum (much of it I still don't understand) about everything that goes along with 33" tires. I definitely DON'T want to be one of those guys who simply adds a 4" lift with big tires and thinks that's all there is to it. I want to do this right, and I've budgeted $5-6K for the job.

I have an appointment next week to take my Jeep to a local custom 4x4 shop to get advice and estimates on all the work, but I'd like to know a few more things before I go.

Basically, I know which rims / tires that I'd like. And I'm leaning toward the more expensive brands of suspension lifts, because I've read that they're worth the money in the long run. (I consider the extra money spent to be an investment against future problems.)

And I understand that bigger tires and a suspension lift with SYE and CV driveshaft requires new gearing, and I'm cool with all of that. However, I'm wondering if it's cheaper/wiser to pay for new gearing or simply buy used Dana 44 axles. (I've read those are the best and most bombproof.)

I guess what I'm asking is... If you were tasked with (1) adding a 4" lift to accommodate new 33x10.5x15 tires and (2) making the Jeep moderately bombproof in case I like the taste of off-roading, then how would you do it? (Maybe starting with the new gearing vs used Dana 44s if the current Dana 35s aren't worth building up?)

Thank you in advance, everyone.

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Chris

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Old 04-17-2019, 06:00 PM
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Argh! I've been doing so much research on all of this, and now I'm super confused.

The beginner lift threads all say that when adding 33" tires and a 4" lift kit, you'll need to add the SYE, CV driveshaft, re-gear the axle, might as well add lockers while you're at it, and don't forget the new speedo gear.

On the other hand, every thread that asks about building up or re-gearing your Dana 35 says to SKIP any re-gearing, lockers, or otherwise building up, and simply save for new Dana 44 axles while you wait for the Dana 35s to die.

OK, I get that. But now I'm stuck with a big decision. Do I (A) continue with my plan to increase my tire size to 33" while adding the 4" lift kit and the SYE + double cardan shaft, all while driving on the same un-built Dana 35 axle with weak 3.07 gearing (which would be severely under-geared, if I'm understanding this at all), or do I (B) drop down to a smaller 31" tire size to better accommodate my current 3.07 gears, skip the lift kit, SYE, and DC shaft, and simply drive on the 31" tires until I can afford new Dana 44 axles?

This Jeep stuff is super complex for us non-mechanic newbies! LOL

(Any and all advice will be incredibly welcome.)

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The wisdom of the internet is that if youre not going bigger than 33s a super 35 kit is fine.

Id do axles and a 3 suspension 1 body with motor mount lift and do the t-case drop if you need it. Then Id do the SYE, drive shaft, and control arms.

TBH though the very first thing Id do is buy and mount a winch
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The wisdom of the internet is that if youre not going bigger than 33s a super 35 kit is fine.

Id do axles and a 3 suspension 1 body with motor mount lift and do the t-case drop if you need it. Then Id do the SYE, drive shaft, and control arms.

TBH though the very first thing Id do is buy and mount a winch
X2 on the GOOD QUALITY winch along with the 3" suspension and 1" body...also consider a HP 30 for the front...Did mine up for much less than a 44 up there and its strong...save for the 44 in the rear tho
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A super 35 will be just fine and it will hold up to 35" tires in conditions a lot worse than most folks will put their rigs into. When you build that S35 be sure to use a locker that will accommodate 30 spline axle shafts and use 1541H shafts.


By the time you spend $1000 - $1200 for a 44, you'll be money ahead on your project with a S35. If you're fine with a T-case drop you won't need a SYE or a double cardon shaft either. Just adjustable control arms on the uppers work fine with a 4" lift


I wouldn't run adapters for the wheels, some have had no problems while others say they are no good. Studs break, wheels fall off, I myself wouldn't risk my life or any motorist/pedestrian if/when that tire flys off.
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I ran a 2.5” suspension lift, 1.5” BL, 1” motor mount lift, and then a very small transfer case drop. This gave me a modest lift while keeping the center of gravity down.

Gearing - was 3.07, but swapped in a set of used axles from a 4 cyl/5speed TJ which gave me the same Dana 30/35 combo but with 4.10 gears. I run 32” tires with the 6 cyl, 5 speed manual. Bought used axles for $400, sold original set for $450.

I use it for mild off-roading.

Rather happy with the mods. No SYE, no adj control arms.

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WHATEVER you do DO NOT get or take any advice from a 4x4 shop... they are there for one thing... seperating you from your money...

I strongly suggest that you get a zone 4.25" combo lift, and a 1" zone motor mount lift....
That plus gears gets you on 90% of trials trails....

Above all learn HOW to wheel and find out what you like before going hog wild.... don't pay any attention to the kids in the flashy "badass" rigs hopping and bouncing while bouncing off the rev limiter... instead, watch the old guys who seem to smoothly float through everything while rarely spinning a tire....

Hopping and bouncing breaks parts....


For reference, I've been wheeling my yj since 2007 and most of that on 33's with STOCK dana 30/35's and 4.10 gears.... I have broken a few front axle u joints, smashed my exhaust a few times, busted 4 or 5 shocks and smashed a few skid plates but have never broken my dana 35 or more than joints and ears in front...

I'm real aggressive but I know when to lift and try a different line....

You might even consider riding shotgun on a few trips to learn a little and be better informed on what you need
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Oh and personally I disagree w the winch first thing....
95% of the time your winch is for recovering other vehicles... on a club run, if you need winched it almost always works better to use the winch on another vehicle that is mobile and can maneuver to point the winch in the right direction
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Above all learn HOW to wheel and find out what you like before going hog wild.... don't pay any attention to the kids in the flashy "badass" rigs hopping and bouncing while bouncing off the rev limiter... instead, watch the old guys who seem to smoothly float through everything while rarely spinning a tire....
OP the importance of that advice can't be overstated, it's worth more than the best parts you can buy. I see some flat out cringe-worthy dumb assery every time I'm out - don't be that guy & you'll be ok with whatever your rig has.
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If you'r running with a club . Get a good C.B Radio. That way you know what's going on around you.

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