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Old 05-10-2016, 02:20 PM
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Opinions on this set up before I buy?

Okay so I'm young, had my jeep for 2 years. I saw people recommending to wheel stock for a while then decide what I want to do. So I've learned a lot, and I've done my research. Also my jeep needs new sway bar links, tires, shocks so I said if I want to lift, now would be the time to do it since I need to replace those anyways. So here is what I was thinking. I want to go to 33x12.5x15 tires.

Wheels & Tires: I have stock wheels but I would need spacers to fit the tires I want so I figured I'd go for quadratecs pre mounted and balanced ones. Opinions? Is this enough back spacing? Here is the link:

Mounted Wheel & Tire Combos - Quadratec

Lift kit: Opinions? I was considering one of the rubicon express kits, but went with the cheaper option and I also feel that quadratec has better customer service. Here is the link:

Quadratec 16400 0033 - Quadratec Maximum Duty 3.5? Coil Spring Suspension Lift Kit with Shocks for 97-06 Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

Any comments or opinions would be greatly appreciated. I'm open to any suggestions you may have as well. I am on a budget so I can't buy a $4,000 lift kit as much as I would like to.

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You'll be good on the backspacing. I don't know anything about that lift so I can't say, but Zone has good reviews and is budget friendly.

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The wheels and tires seem high to me. Have AOR here on the forum quote you whatever combo you want. He is very competitively priced.

You will need a SYE and DC Driveshaft (around $800) with that lift, as with any lift over 3" suspension. Or a transfer case drop, which contradicts what you are trying to achieve....more ground clearance.

That is why the Zone combo is so popular. 3" SL, 1" motor mount lift (to correct driveline angles, 1.25" BL. 4.25" lift without needing a transfer case drop or SYE / DS.

Also, Hydro shocks will be smoother on the road than Nitro.

I did my lift and wheels and tires (5) for about $2300.
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Old 05-10-2016, 03:44 PM
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Thanks! I'll look into the zone combo.
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That kit will require you to either drop the transfer case or install an SYE and dc driveshaft. Also, those lower control arms look like they've got either clevite or poly bushings, which means they will put a lot of stress on your control arm mounts every time your suspension tries to flex.
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Okay so other than losing ground clearance, is there anything bad about lowering the transfer case? It comes with the stuff to lower the TC. It only looks like it is lowering it another inch at most?
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That kit will require you to either drop the transfer case or install an SYE and dc driveshaft. Also, those lower control arms look like they've got either clevite or poly bushings, which means they will put a lot of stress on your control arm mounts every time your suspension tries to flex.
Would it be better to go with the zone lift? It looks like it used the stock control arms but does something with cam bolts?? I thought you could only use stock control arms up to 2 inch lifts?
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That is why the Zone combo is so popular. Also, Hydro shocks will be smoother on the road than Nitro.
Okay so here's some of the options with the zone combo, what is needed or highly recommended? Do I need a steering stabilizer? What about the other stuff? You said hydro shocks are better so I marked those.
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I just added the steering stabilizer to my order because mine was original, with 95k miles on it. You really don't need anything else unless you want to go with an adjustable track bar, instead of drilling a hole and relocating your stock one. I drilled a hole and used my stock until recently. Then I welded a washer on my original hole, and installed a Steinjager adjustable track bar. The track bar is what centers your front end under your rig.

You'll also need to get an alignment.
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Would it be better to go with the zone lift? It looks like it used the stock control arms but does something with cam bolts?? I thought you could only use stock control arms up to 2 inch lifts?
I've heard a lot of pretty good reviews on the zone lift. The quadratec lift have only been available for a year or two, so finding user experience may be difficult. I personally would not lift my jeep without getting adj trackbars. Drilling another hole in the front axle trackbar bracket will work, but puts the hole in a much weaker location on the bracket. I'm not familiar with cam bolts, so no help there.
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Alright thanks, I'm definitely gonna get an adjustable track bar then. Still debating a steering stabilizer and this whole cam bolt thing.
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Alright thanks, I'm definitely gonna get an adjustable track bar then. Still debating a steering stabilizer and this whole cam bolt thing.
I think an adjustable track bar is a good option for you with your Zone lift.

However, I am not a fan of any steering stabilizer(s). Except for providing some help with bump steer, they will only mask a steering problem you may have should one arise. Also, they have the tendency to push the steering left because of the shock's stiffness while riding on the street. And it's just another component that will eventually wear out, get dinged up and look aweful right in the front of your rig.

If you want smooth steering with your new lift setup, just make sure your steering components are fresh and dialed in - new bushings, proper length track bar, bolts properly torqued and no wiggle.
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I didn't care for drilling a hole for my track bar either, but didn't have the extra $200 at the time. Also for the record, I bent my stock track bar a couple of weeks ago, and the drilled hole showed no signs of stress. Just sayin'.
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Okay so what do you guys think about the cam bolt thing? Here's a note about it, they recommend it.?
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I have an '03, and didn't need them.
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The cam bolts will center your axle in the wheel opening when viewed from the side and make up for the shorter stock lower control arm . I have them for my '00, installing the lift portion of my zone combo Saturday. I did the body lift this last weekend. As I understand, there where certain year keeps that have the cam bolts from the factory. I also will be installing a metal cloak trac bar.
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cam bolts allow you to set your pinion/caster angle to retain the OEM return to center. they are an ok fix for not having adj control arms, but are not a great product over all.

i tack welded some in place as a temporary solution for a friend, they have worked ok so far.

the steering stabilizer only needs to be replaced if it is leaking or shot. it has nothing to do with bump steer and a properly designed one will have a 50/50 split, so there is no pushing one way or the other. many are known to last well over 100k, mine has 160k on it and i have a brand new monroe model sitting on my shelf, when i went to swap it out, i found that the stabilizer was still functioning as intended.
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As far as transfer case drop versus SYE/CV driveshaft, consider the following: You're adding a lift for additional clearance, so why would you purposely drop the skid and lose some of that clearance? You can get an SYE/CV driveshaft combo for ~ $500 from Adams Driveshaft, which is the route I went. Several SYE options. This is the one I purchased; I'm extremely happy with it:
TeraFlex Mega Short SYE Kit & 1310 CV Driveshaft Package

If you get a CV driveshaft, you'll need adjustable upper control arms to adjust the pinion angle. I prefer adjustable uppers and lowers.

If your current budget doesn't allow for it, you can do the transfer case drop now and go with the SYE/CV driveshaft later...
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you dont need to do a TC drop, nor is one supplied, with the zone 4.25" combo. it utilizes a MML in order to lower the rear TC output. at best, you may need a couple fender washers to space the skid, which isnt a bad idea as that is a common frame rust spot
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you dont need to do a TC drop, nor is one supplied, with the zone 4.25" combo. it utilizes a MML in order to lower the rear TC output. at best, you may need a couple fender washers to space the skid, which isnt a bad idea as that is a common frame rust spot
ha to do the 2 washer fix on mine makes it much easer to clean the top of the skid plate as a plus. Do not get the rear pinion cams. I have the front ones and now that I want adjustable control arms I'm not sure that it was the right move.
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Okay thanks guys, not sure how to check if my steering stabilizer is good or not, but I just turned over 98k so I'm gonna go with it being good. Is the metal cloak track bar better than the one offered as an option with the zone lift?
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Okay thanks guys, not sure how to check if my steering stabilizer is good or not, but I just turned over 98k so I'm gonna go with it being good. Is the metal cloak track bar better than the one offered as an option with the zone lift?
I'm running the metalcloak and am very satisfied with it.
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I'm running the metalcloak and am very satisfied with it.
Agreed, after cycling and testing mine, I bought another for the gf's. Wouldn't mind a Currie, but have zero complaints with the MC bar, it may be there best product
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Alright I'm gonna go with the zone lift, metal cloak trackbar. Next question. Wheels/tires. I'm going with 33x12.50x15. Do I go with the quadratec wheels premounted and balanced with proper back spacing, or use stock wheels with spacers and buy tires separately?
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Alright I'm gonna go with the zone lift, metal cloak trackbar. Next question. Wheels/tires. I'm going with 33x12.50x15. Do I go with the quadratec wheels premounted and balanced with proper back spacing, or use stock wheels with spacers and buy tires separately?
last i checked, quadratec was a good 30-40% over priced on rims and tires. i went with tirerack and their free mounting plus hunter road force balance
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last i checked, quadratec was a good 30-40% over priced on rims and tires. i went with tirerack and their free mounting plus hunter road force balance
okay thanks.
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Okay last question, as far as correcting the odometer/speedometer etc. Is a speedo gear enough or should I do one of those flash cal chip things.?
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Getting ready to order, is this the right metal cloak track bar you guys were talking about? Also, I would need the rear too, correct?

http://www.metalcloak.com/TJ-LJ-Jeep...Bar-p/7035.htm

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