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Old 11-25-2019, 07:51 PM
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1993 YJ advice - 1st Jeep

New guy here. Any help is appreciated. I'm looking to buy my first Jeep and would like some advice on this one that I'm checking out. See the listing below. Will try to upload pics but it's a beaut.

My concern is the gear ratio for 35" tires. I've been reading the forum and have not seen a lot of 3.73 with 35's.

Also, the current owner has stated that there is some occasional wobble. I need to drill into this more. Been reading up on death wobble. I asked the seller if he has ever had to pull over to get it to stop and he said no.

Questions before I pull the trigger:
  1. Is this the right gear ratio for 35's?
  2. If I go down to 33's, will I need to make any adjustments?

Any other questions I should be thinking about? I won't be doing any crazy off-roading, maybe some trails but no rock crawling. 80% street driving.

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4.88 is about right for 35's with a 4.0, if it's a 2.5 you will need much lower gearing than 4.88.
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$5000 overpriced.

You didn't mention engine and trans

3.73 would be good for the following
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Welcome to the Forum cmcgillis14,

That's a lot of dough for not a lot of Jeep. If it's absolutely spotless with no rust, good paint, pristine interior, full doors & hardtop, six cylinder engine, standard transmission, sanitary modifications and drives out perfectly (seller states it doesn't) it might be worth that much to someone. Not to me. Even if the Jeep has all the above and the seller agrees to re-gear it and install a SYE, I'd keep looking.
Smittybilt parts are entry level parts.

I think 4:88 gears will be best for 35s with 4:56 coming in close behind. 3:73s are too tall for 35s. I'm running 31s and am going with 4:10s.

With a 4" lift, the Jeep should have a Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE).
You state it has a 1" motor mount lift. Look for spacers between the frame and the central skid plate (crossmember).

Any rust anywhere on the frame or tub would knock $4K-$5K off the price. A speck or two of very minor surface rust isn't an issue, but any scaly rust is a problem.
If the frame has been undercoated or bedlined, for me, that would be a stone cold deal breaker. I'd walk.

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Like the guys said that pretty pricey. If it has 3.73's it came with a 4.0, cause I cant imagine the PO gearing it that way with 35's and IMO that would not be fun. 100K on a 4.0 is nothing yet it needed a rebuild, why? The AX15 5 speed came behind the 4.0 and it needed a rebuild too? why, been beat on to much? or is it an auto which is understandable if used hard. An 80% street use rig with a Detroit out back? Don't think you'll like that one. I think you're overwhelmed with its coolness...do yourself a grandiose favor and keep looking or get him down to somewhere around $7K if you must have it.
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Currie high steer?

I'm going to have to agree with everyone else, and I feel Luckymac hit it right on the head. Even if it were perfect, I don't think $10.5k would be justified.



However, I'm interested in what the "Curie high steering" is. If you decide to test drive or take a look, I'd love to see what seller is posting about. If anyone else knows, please ping in.
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Your looking at this one. Overpriced for sure! It’s been on CL for sometime now.

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Your looking at this one. Overpriced for sure! Itís been on CL for sometime now.

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Like the guys said that pretty pricey. If it has 3.73's it came with a 4.0, cause I cant imagine the PO gearing it that way with 35's and IMO that would not be fun. 100K on a 4.0 is nothing yet it needed a rebuild, why? The AX15 5 speed came behind the 4.0 and it needed a rebuild too? why, been beat on to much? or is it an auto which is understandable if used hard. An 80% street use rig with a Detroit out back? Don't think you'll like that one. I think you're overwhelmed with its coolness...do yourself a grandiose favor and keep looking or get him down to somewhere around $7K if you must have it.
It's a 4.0, 5-speed.

I've been wondering the same thing. Why the rebuild?

If I went down to 33's, would the 3.73 ratio work?
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4.88 is about right for 35's with a 4.0, if it's a 2.5 you will need much lower gearing than 4.88.
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According to the ad, the previous owner did everything to this Jeep, including the engine and tranny rebuild. Unless the seller has authentic receipts for those rebuilds, they didn't happen.

Also, the seller calls this a V6 in several places, including the title. Obviously it's not a V6.

This smells like a flip to me. The seller doesn't know much about this Jeep, got some kind of good deal on it, and is trying to make a quick buck.
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It's a 4.0, 5-speed.

I've been wondering the same thing. Why the rebuild?

If I went down to 33's, would the 3.73 ratio work?
I wouldent run 3.73 and 35's on a warmed over V8 but that' s just me. Any brake upgrades? 35's weigh a bit as well. You can always go take a test drive and get an idea of how that combo works. I can say this, my current YJ has a 4 cyl and 4.10's and 31's. I like to put around looking for elk or deer, its really rocky here and 90% of the time dont need 4wd. I frequently have to use 4wd just to get a lower ratio and not bog down. Id love to have 4.88's or a way lower first in the thing but that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Go for a drive in it, putt it slow, hit the freeway and try out 5th gear and see how it feels, test drives are free. Keep in mind regardless of what the owner wants you NEVER get your money back after all those mods and $10K is a lot of cash. Its got a lot of mods he apparently knows little about which makes it all the more iffy, so he needs to be patient, up front and willing to work with you.
I can say this however. I used to live in Ca and the bay area has lots of money. Some folks just like to spend big bucks on toys and they never really use them for what their intended. I've bought a few Harley's from guys up that way who dumped thousands++ into the engines and then got tired of that "toy" and moved on to the next money pit. Bottom line is its still a YJ with leaf springs. It use to piss me off watching these guys with TJ's and high zoot long arm suspension hitting bumps or dips and it looked like a Cadillac going over them. The body not hardly moving while the suspension did all the work.
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According to the ad, the previous owner did everything to this Jeep, including the engine and tranny rebuild. Unless the seller has authentic receipts for those rebuilds, they didn't happen.

Also, the seller calls this a V6 in several places, including the title. Obviously it's not a V6.

This smells like a flip to me. The seller doesn't know much about this Jeep, got some kind of good deal on it, and is trying to make a quick buck.
Here's a couple thoughts in addition to what wristwister points out.

No pics of the engine.

Seller doesn't state that Jeep passes California emissions. With no current emissions certificate this could be a budget buster.

If you went down to 31s the 3:73 ratio might be OK. For 31s 4:10 ratio is best.

If the seller wants to make that Jeep into a $7500.00 vehicle, he needs to re-gear it to a ratio that's compatible with the 35" tires and provide a current certificate of passing California emissions. He also needs to have a Slip Yoke Eliminator and upgraded brakes installed.
At $7500.00 I could live with only the soft top if the above issues were resolved.

I'd want to drive it on neighborhood streets, on the freeway and out on some 3-4 rated trails.
Before I even drove it I'd want to see a clean title and I'd check the VIN on the title and compare it to the VIN on the vehicle.

Personally I think OP is ill advised to consider this particular vehicle at asking price. It's unlikely the seller will agree to do the necessary mods even at the asking price. To require the necessary mods and offer a fair price ($7500.00) would be a waste of time.

I strongly suggest that OP looks for a closer to stock Wrangler at a significantly lesser price and modify it to suit his needs. I expect that he'll come in less than $10,500.00.

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It's a 4.0, 5-speed.

I've been wondering the same thing. Why the rebuild?

If I went down to 33's, would the 3.73 ratio work?
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$5000 overpriced.

You didn't mention engine and trans

3.73 would be good for the following
4.0 5 speed w up to 28" tires
4.0 automatic w up to 33" tires
2.5 automatic with stock tires
2.5 5 speed with smaller than stock tires.
I already answered this once....

Doesn't matter anyhow since it's priced at double what it's worth...
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Welcome to the Forum cmcgillis14,

That's a lot of dough for not a lot of Jeep. If it's absolutely spotless with no rust, good paint, pristine interior, full doors & hardtop, six cylinder engine, standard transmission, sanitary modifications and drives out perfectly (seller states it doesn't) it might be worth that much to someone. Not to me. Even if the Jeep has all the above and the seller agrees to re-gear it and install a SYE, I'd keep looking.
Smittybilt parts are entry level parts.

I think 4:88 gears will be best for 35s with 4:56 coming in close behind. 3:73s are too tall for 35s. I'm running 31s and am going with 4:10s.

With a 4" lift, the Jeep should have a Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE).
You state it has a 1" motor mount lift. Look for spacers between the frame and the central skid plate (crossmember).

Any rust anywhere on the frame or tub would knock $4K-$5K off the price. A speck or two of very minor surface rust isn't an issue, but any scaly rust is a problem.
If the frame has been undercoated or bedlined, for me, that would be a stone cold deal breaker. I'd walk.

Good Luck, L.M.
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Like the guys said that pretty pricey. If it has 3.73's it came with a 4.0, cause I cant imagine the PO gearing it that way with 35's and IMO that would not be fun. 100K on a 4.0 is nothing yet it needed a rebuild, why? The AX15 5 speed came behind the 4.0 and it needed a rebuild too? why, been beat on to much? or is it an auto which is understandable if used hard. An 80% street use rig with a Detroit out back? Don't think you'll like that one. I think you're overwhelmed with its coolness...do yourself a grandiose favor and keep looking or get him down to somewhere around $7K if you must have it.
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Your looking at this one. Overpriced for sure! Itís been on CL for sometime now.

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According to the ad, the previous owner did everything to this Jeep, including the engine and tranny rebuild. Unless the seller has authentic receipts for those rebuilds, they didn't happen.

Also, the seller calls this a V6 in several places, including the title. Obviously it's not a V6.

This smells like a flip to me. The seller doesn't know much about this Jeep, got some kind of good deal on it, and is trying to make a quick buck.
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Here's a couple thoughts in addition to what wristwister points out.

No pics of the engine.

Seller doesn't state that Jeep passes California emissions. With no current emissions certificate this could be a budget buster.

If you went down to 31s the 3:73 ratio might be OK. For 31s 4:10 ratio is best.

If the seller wants to make that Jeep into a $7500.00 vehicle, he needs to re-gear it to a ratio that's compatible with the 35" tires and provide a current certificate of passing California emissions. He also needs to have a Slip Yoke Eliminator and upgraded brakes installed.
At $7500.00 I could live with only the soft top if the above issues were resolved.

I'd want to drive it on neighborhood streets, on the freeway and out on some 3-4 rated trails.
Before I even drove it I'd want to see a clean title and I'd check the VIN on the title and compare it to the VIN on the vehicle.

Personally I think OP is ill advised to consider this particular vehicle at asking price. It's unlikely the seller will agree to do the necessary mods even at the asking price. To require the necessary mods and offer a fair price ($7500.00) would be a waste of time.

I strongly suggest that OP looks for a closer to stock Wrangler at a significantly lesser price and modify it to suit his needs. I expect that he'll come in less than $10,500.00.

Good Luck, L.M.
And guess what, Yep!

It certainly does feel like a flip, and why would that thing have all that work, and .73ís still in it? Just doesnít make sense.
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Thank you for all of the input. On to the next!

I'll likely try to find a stock 4.0 and just do it myself. Makes more sense.
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cmcgillis did your ever talk to the seller? Is he open to any “reasonable offers”. Like closer to $7-8k. It’s his second time listing it and its now at 12 days on his second go around. Maybe he might start to negotiate.
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Keep this in perspective of its gonna be a DD and your first. Id say its easier to buy a close to stock jeep, drive it and see just how far you wanna upgrade., Its no fun buying one heavily modded and having to start removing to big of tires, and then its to high, and then it rides like crap....you get the picture. Good luck on the hunt, BTW I loved both my 95YJ and XJ's. The best year
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As a YJ owner with 3.07s and 2k on the clock, I can believe a rebuild without any additional work, lol. But it is easy as a second owner to say what a previous owner did and not hold any accountability.

Looking at these California prices lately, this does not seem that far out of market for getting in the game. I mean, most of you bought yours for under $2k and have put way more than $10k into it since you bought it, so $10k at once seems a lot.

Would I dump $10k on it? Nope, I would buy a Tj and start dumping money into it.

But as mentioned, I would chew into the flip profit as much as I could and see if I couldn't get a sweet deal.

tags come back that ownership changed in Jan 2018 with a smog check but I think he should have had to do another for the biannual jan 2019.
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maybe this is worth pursuing? idk
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That seems to be a way better deal than the first Jeep that OP was considering.
Still, it might be too much for him, due to his stated intended use of 80% street Jeep and 20% easy trails.

If he buys this jeep, he may find the bug bites him and it's all he ever wanted that he didn't know he wanted.

Seller states this is primarily a trail rig. I'd drive it.

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That seems to be a way better deal than the first Jeep that OP was considering.
Still, it might be too much for him, due to his stated intended use of 80% street Jeep and 20% easy trails.

If he buys this jeep, he may find the bug bites him and it's all he ever wanted that he didn't know he wanted.

Seller states this is primarily a trail rig. I'd drive it.

Good Luck, L.M.

This seller's "intended use" reference suggests that it may not pass smog so is offroad only, lol.

EDIT: Dude says it passes smog.
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I bought this jeep from the guy who rebuilt everything, head to toe. He babied it, sat in the garage, and it was hardly used other than running around for local errands. I bought it as a hunting jeep, but it frankly is too upgraded for me, for what I need. So, I am looking for something a bit more original/stock. The suspension on this thing is insane. It runs like its new, and I have never had a problem with it, other than a front brake/rotor which I replaced. Its amazing off road and runs great around town. Sad to see it go, but again, looking for something a little less upgraded.

Speaking of upgrades, this thing is LOADED. It has more upgrades on this thing than I am aware of, literally.

Cut & paste from ad. The red text leads me to think it might pass California smog inspection.
JonStevens, I don't see in the ad where the seller states it'll pass. I'm assuming you called him?
Does California require some type of windshield sticker to indicate the vehicle passes smog? I don't see any sort of windshield sticker.

The underlined text makes me think that 1) either it's a flip or 2) the seller bought it to use and there's either a hidden fault that he didn't discover before he bought it or he's afraid of it.

Not that I particularly care about any of this, I just think it's cool to have a conversation about a third party's vehicle and state our thoughts and opinions. That's how we learn from each other.
Kinda like going to a car show and discussing a vehicle there.

Good Luck, L.M.
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Nothing says "Buy Me" like "Huge Fog lights" , "Great sounding exhaust". and "No e-brake".

But if it seriously runs, there's enough invested that I'd buy it for $7500 given some of the crappy rigs I've seen in my neck of the woods lately...

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