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Old 10-04-2016, 05:57 PM
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95 Yj Sahara Whats it worth?

So as I was going down the road this caught my eye.
I stopped to look it over and its pretty solid. Just surface rust on the frame. Needs tires and a top. The top has some holes. I checked it out after a rain storm and saw the interior was wet. Plus the center console cup holders are fill with water.

The night I stopped to check it out by coincidence I saw a flat bed pull in and I figure eh why not talk and ask the price of it. He said they put a battery in it didnt know what else but that it needs tires.He neglected to say anything about the top.I noticed the last inspection sticker on it was from 2013. I did ask the tow truck driver if he knew why the sticker was so long out of date. He said he doesnt know and the owner just picks them up and they sit for sometime until he gets to them. They have a 68 sitting there that they're just getting to now???? I frequently drive by there and there is always something new sitting there that needs alot of work. Usually project vehicles. The last Jeep I stopped to check out was a pile. But its gone so it mustve sold.

Mileage is 127K. Its 6 cyl 5 spd. The body is solid with no rust. The guy says the price tag is $4400. They checked the KBB (as did I when I got home) Its about $100 off compared to the blue book value. I did ask if they would take a best offer he said yes probably. I jotted the VIN # down and did a Car Fax report on it. It was in NJ then to TN for some time and came to PA. Its on its 3rd owner. 2nd owner was the shortest time span of ownership. I noticed a different town on the car fax from the 3rd owner compared to town I found it. Made a mental note on that. lol!

So I left it go for about a week and just called today. I called where its at and asked to speak with the owner of the jeep for sale. The guy gave me the #. I called him and he seemed to be taken back a bit as to why I was calling. He asked wasnt there anyone there where its at? Apparently they are partners or buddies? I just simply stated I asked for the owner and they gave your #. lol! So we talked and he gave me the price of $4200. He said it was a one owner. When I checked out the car fax, its on its 3rd owner. I didnt tell him I saw the car fax already. I didnt want to turn the conversation sour this early. lol! We talked some more and he said some exhaust work was done to it.Exhaust looked well weather. Maybe a new ubolt clamp on it that I saw. And even that had a bit of surface rust on it. When I questioned the '13 inspection sticker he said it just sat alot.
The partner, where the jeep is at, was suppose to put different tires on.Apparently they are there at the garage but yet the guy I spoke with that worked there never mentioned about having tires for it??? He just said its going to need tires. He even got the keys for it and opened up the jeep to check the mileage when I asked about it. He even turned the lights on so I know it did power on
I think there is alot of miscommunication between these partners or just plain some shady biz. The owner wasnt honest about how many owners it had. Car Fax came in handy for that part. lol!

Either way Im curious to know as it sits what would you pay for it? I have plenty of more photos but Ill just post a few. Anyone know what the deal is with the plastic tubes mounted on the front bumper?
Oh and it was slightly hit as the front bumper is bent and the front fender was hammered out some. Other than that is was straight and solid.
$4400 $4200?
I offered my price for it but he said no!!!! To me, even for being a sahara package, its just not worth that price tag. Especially needing a top right off the bat. I do know a buddy that has a hard top for sale too. lol! Which really got me thinking hard on this. But how well are the other set of tires (if they exist) is unknown too. Why arent they put on if its for sale.
I even mentioned to him about finding a completely restored YJ for $6K. But it didnt faze him one bit.







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The tubes are for fishing rods. Did you drive it? Check the frame to see if it's been worked on, take a flashlight and look underneath. What was the interior like? Seats? Back seat? If it sat for awhile that is never good, mice and critters can eat up wiring, fuel left in tank can get pretty funky and sludgy, motors don't like to sit idle for years. Post more pics, but I think $3500 to $3800 would be a good offer, but it depends on several other things, take an independent mechanic with you to give it a good once over, but drive it too.

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No , didnt get a chance to drive it the night I stopped as they were closed and I hit it lucky with the tow driver coming back to the place.
The interior looked decent but after a rain storm I went back to look and see how bad the top was leaking and the seats were really wet. The dash was wet and so were the visors. Not sure how it smells in there. It has an aftermarket console and looks like the original console is mounted behind the drivers seat. The back window is missing the bar to lock in it. There was a back seat but its hard to tell the condition as the windows on the top arent clear anymore.
The rug looked dirty but not black. Still can see the spice color. It looked like it needed a good cleaning tho. The lights worked when he turned the key over. The frame was never worked on from what I saw. I got underneath it but didnt see anything at all.
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Looks like an ok rig. Definitely will need some TLC. For some reason the majority of Jeep owners think no matter what condition their Jeep is it commands top dollar just because it's a Jeep. I wouldn't offer more than $3800 for it. It's definitely going to need some fixing up.
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Those were my exact thoughts too. Not sure what repairs are going to be needed which I just cant justifiy the top end price tag for it.
I told him I would be in for $2k as the hiighest but that was it. I couldnt get inside to check the floor pans under the carpet. Not sure how long its been leaking but I know the front seats were soaked after the storm. Its a shame too as the interior looks like it would clean up nicely.
Have you ever dealt with water spots on the dash? I notice some white spots from where the water looks to have been dripping on the dash and turning it white. I was wondering if it would wipe off or can be rejuvenated with some armor all?
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YJ frames are a concern as far as rust goes. Take a hammer and whack the frame at:

Rear shackle mounts
Rear shock mounts
Rear spring main eye areas
Front spring shackle mounts
Front spring main eye areas
At the 6 places where the X-member mounts to the frame (3 on each side)
All around the steering box mounts

One posted pic seems to show the rear X-member, just ahead of the gas tank pretty rusty.

If the jeep drives OK, and if you can weld and have access to a welder, then I say go ahead with the negotiations. I would pass if he won't go to $3000.00 or lower.

Stock up on WD40.
All that rust underneath concerns me.
On the plus side, it looks like a fairly stock, unmolested Jeep.

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There is one local for in similar price range that Ive been tempted to look at but would mean Id have to sell Barbie and I know what I have though has 100k more miles. Here is a link to the one local to me so you get an idea on the market. 1994 Jeep Sahara 4x4
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How far is it from where you live to Rochester NY? It might be worth the trip.

$3900.00 means $3500.00 cash, and Maybe $3000.00 if they just want to get rid of it.

Check for rust. I'll bet they use salt in Rochester.

It looks better than the one that you posted the pics of.

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Around here (Fl) 4400 is a killer deal. 95's have a galvanized frame so the rust won't be as bad as on other years. Still check it out carefully. Make them put it on the lift for you. If they won't take $4000 in cash in hand then walk away. I've been searching for a Sahara that good of shape for awhile. All the good ones are $6000+ here.
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Fishing rod holders = beach fishing = salt water = potential issues.

I see a lot of surface rust under it which shows time on the beach.

That beach air ..... lots of salt in it.

Look at the rear UPPER SHOCK MOUNTS.

Pay close attention to the top of the frame INSIDE those shock mounts.

Passenger side is easiest to inspect, driver side a little more difficult due to brakes lines running over it.

I see from your pics one or more of the bump stops have rusted off .... but I hear that's common.


Personally I would show them $3,000 cash and walk away.
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Fishing rod holders = beach fishing = salt water = potential issues.

I see a lot of surface rust under it which shows time on the beach.

That beach air ..... lots of salt in it..
Exactly. I see Beach jeep rust and corrosion. Not too bad, though, considering.

If it runs and drives nice, its worth around the $3K area.
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I can see why the $6k restored YJ didn't phase him...because how does it exist?

I bought a 95 sahara for almost 6k and put another 15k in to restore it.

Where is this 6k restored YJ because I'll consider buying it.

Anyway, I think anything under 4k is reasonable for what you're looking at.
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'94 Sahara is nothing special. I know, I have one. It's even the same color. The only benefits of the Sahara in '94 was that you automatically got the lower ratio transfer case, nicer door panels, and a 4.0L.

I wouldn't pay more than 3k around here. There are a lot of places where rust will hide and show its ugly mug when you least expect it. The current "owner" has already lied about something as simple as the number of owners, which really shouldn't make any difference in the price. If they're lying about that, what else are they lying about? I'd pass and keep looking.
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Addisonbrady- No I didnt get a chance to drive it yet. I figured Ill keep my eye on it and see what happens with the tires since he said theyre suppose to change em out. So far its sitting untouched.

Luckymac - I was thinking on the same lines as you about the rust underneath. The body really caught my eye as there is absolutely zero rust on that. But when I checked out the frame I was shocked to see it in that condition. I never gave it a thought about being on the beach as was mentioned by harcosparky.
I looked at that one in rochester in the CL ad and the body has some rust on it. I really dont feel it would be worth the trip in all honesty. Its a run from where I am and just by the photos, I can see the paint is faded, the soft top is coming apart by the windshield and the rear windows as well. I think the frame may look better but the body seems worse. Now if I was able to mis-match them. Muwahahahahaha Im just gonna sit back and see what happens and if those tires get swapped out or not. So far its not been touched. Maybe next week Ill call again and see if anything changes if I dont see them do anything on it.
I really didnt bother to crawl underneath or ask to test drive it since I heard the price on it and thought eh they arent going to have much wiggle room. Then after awhile it got the best of me and I had to call. So maybe after some time things will change for the better if not then just have to play the waiting game and hope for the best luck to cross my path. lol!
Ive been pricing soft tops but near $500 for a Bestop. I can probably score that hard top I know of thats for sale locally for maybe 300. That would be the better option.
Thanks for all your info on checking the frame I will definitely keep it in mind and may stop by one evening I have free to check it out more when noone is around. You brought up an excellent point about that x member. I noticed it but didnt read into it that much. But you brought that to my attention and Im curious to see how bad that is now. I have a welder but Im not a welder by profession. So I may be able to fix it myself. I havent messed with it for a few months. I agree tho on the price $3k or less. I told him I would go $2K tops as that rust did have me concerned as well. They always look good when your checkin them out but once you get them in the garage and spend time with it you always find something & then the price you paid starts to bother you. lol!


bouncefactor -Thanks for the info and link. That helped me out alot my friend. I appreciate it.

Espo78 - I agree they are hard to find. I was impressed with the rust free body on this one. It caught my attention and I had to turn around go back up the highway and backtrack just to stop to see it. lol! My state uses alot of salt and brine. Im not sure how long this jeeps been in this state but it spent most of its life in NJ and TN. I think when it was sold a dealer here must have picked it up from TN as the car fax shows it came from TN to PA. Thanks for the info Ill keep it in mind and check it out if I do reach out to him again.

harcosparky - thanks for the info. I would have never given a thought about those tubes being used for fishing. And the beach does make alot of sense as to why so much rust is on the frame compared to the body.
If the top was in better condition and it didnt leak I think I would have no problem with $3k but from what I saw on how much water was in there I just cant bring myself to dishing out that much on it. Last time it was on the road was in 2013 too. So that was another factor in the mix for me.

DREDnot - Youre right it doesnt look too too bad but its still a concern where Luckymac pointed out on that x member. It looks a big crusty there. I didnt check the upper shock mounts out on it yet so it does have me curious to what shape they are in.

Dral97 - This is the restored YJ for $6k. Its in Mifflinburg PA. Not sure how far that is from your area. Im not sure if its a sahara either but its still redone. What type of restoration was done is not known to me. But it sure looks purdy.






I agree with your point about prices on it. I think its worth that to someone out there. For me, I just cant justify paying $4k or higher. I rather roll the dice and see what else pops up. Im in no hurry. And ya never know he may come down below the $3k mark if enough ppl look it over and say no thank you to it. There is alot of work there to that chassis to get that rust off. Especially if you dont own or have a buddy that has a blaster.

9T4YJ- You are absolutely correct. I felt the same way. If it werent for running a report on it and finding out the truth, this seller would have me believing its a one owner. I couldnt understand what difference it made on saying how many owners it transferred. The mileage is still pretty decent for a 95 @ $127K. But I felt the same way about his honesty. If he lied about that, the exhaust work, as I looked and I can say there is nothing that was done this year from the cat to tailpipe, what else is he going to fib about? I saw a possible replaced ubolt but again even that had rust on it & wasnt recent. I feel honesty is the best policy. You cant try to sell something that someone can see has sat for a few years, needs some work, and didnt have not much done to it and expect the highest market value on it just cause its a Jeep Sahara package. The KBB has it listed for a certain price. Heck even the BB explains the condition it should be in for the market value it gives. Eh! He may come around if it sits and more ppl point out the flaws on it. Or he may get lucky on it and find someone that just has to have it. I have my search spots and I sometimes get lucky running by one so its a gamble & a wait for me. I wont forget about it and may call again but Ill be sure to let him know I ran the report on it. lol!
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95's have a galvanized frame so the rust won't be as bad as on other years.
Where can I confirm this?

If true then one must be careful when WELDING on the frame - as I am getting ready to do.

Did they galvanize frames on other years, or just the 95 and if so .... why only the one year.

Looking at the pics the OP provided ..... I wonder how good the galvanizing was???

My neighbor has a 1992 YJ that he runs around on the farm and road with .... runs it through anything that gets in his way .... NO FRAME RUST !!!! ( of course he makes sure it gets thoroughly cleaned after every ride, before putting it away )

Rusting frames is not normal ..... Owners neglecting them seems to be though!
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I decided to do some more research since I am the one that said it and I knew I regurgitated it from somewhere. I read it on Wikipedia. Not the best source but generally correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Wrangler

However I can't find any documentation anywhere else that agrees. In fact I've seen several sites that refute that statement. So I guess i should retract it as I don't know for sure.

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I decided to do some more research since I am the one that said it and I knew I regurgitated it from somewhere. I read it on Wikipedia. Not the best source but generally correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Wrangler

However I can't find any documentation anywhere else that agrees. In fact I've seen several sites that refute that statement. So I guess i should retract it as I don't know for sure.

Sorry about that.
Don't apologize ..... better SAFE THAN SORRY.

When welding, I would rather make the mistake and thing it is galvanized and wear the proper gear than make the critical mistake of thinking it is not, welding without the gear and they finding out it was.

I'll put the questions to Jeep directly ..... but until I get an answer, I will wear the respirator when welding on it.


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I can't see that pic, but I'm in PA.

Hmmm.
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I can't see that pic, but I'm in PA.

Hmmm.
I'll pm you the photos. Lmk if you can view them that way.

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