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Old 11-08-2017, 01:01 PM
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Advice on Purchase between 93 and 95 YJ

Hey all. Been in the market for quite some time for a wrangler. I've owned a 95 Rio Grande 4 banger, as well as an 02 Sport TJ with the straight 6. Currently, I've got two YJs in my sights, as I really enjoyed my old 95. My DD is a 99 Cherokee Auto with 95k miles, so the Wrangler would be more of a weekend fun/occasional DD.

The 93 I'm looking at has 48,500 miles, 4.0l, auto, new 4" RC lift, new 31" BFG tires, light bar, soft top and soft doors (needs replacing), upgraded kicker speakers throughout. The interior is in decent shape, as well as body, but badly needs paint. The guy selling is the 3rd owner. Of concern, is that the tranny was just rebuilt, as well as TC in 2015, due to "incorrect towing" by the previous owner. Price is $6,000. I really like it, but should I be concerned with the TC and tranny rebuilds? I also prefer manual, but I've heard the autos are reliable enough on these.

The 95 has 42,700 miles, 4.0, 5 speed, all original and stock. It's hard top with full doors, A/C, brand new tires and battery. The current owner is the 2nd owner, and bought it from his neighbor, who estimated that around half of the odometer miles are from towing behind his RV. It's really in beautiful shape inside and out. However, price is higher at $8500.

I prefer the 95 due to it being stock, 5 speed, and generally in unheard of shape for its age. However, I'd prefer to spend no more than 7000. The 93 is also really nice, but the rebuild scares me a little. Thoughts? Thanks!

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Id offer 7000 on the 95. It seems to be a better buy. The upgrades in the 93 are really nice, but the stuff that needs fixing/replacing will probably bring it right back up to the price of the 95.


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95 if you can get it, untainted, hard top and doors are worth more than the difference plus dual diaphragm brake booster!


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The '95 will also have a dual diaphragm brake booster, since it is the 4.0L/5 speed. That's the only time the YJ's ever had the DDB.
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He's pretty much firm at 7000 on the 95. The 93 probably only needs new soft top (not hardware), and doors. However, still would add to the expense. I prefer manual to auto as well, but am more concerned about reliability. Is 8500 too steep given the condition it's in? That's darn low for the year, but still a little more than I'd like to spend....however, if it needs less attention in the long term it may be worth it.

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I?d offer 7000 on the 95. It seems to be a better buy. The upgrades in the 93 are really nice, but the stuff that needs fixing/replacing will probably bring it right back up to the price of the 95.


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My vote is for the 1995. In addition to the hard top & doors (a $1200.00 to $1500.00 value) and the DD brake booster, the '95 has an external slave cylinder for the clutch.
Internal slaves have recently been problematic.
dsaylor makes a good point about the cost of a new top & doors ($447.00 @ Qtec), plus, what does a decent paint job cost ($2K)?

If you have the cash, offer him $7K. He might end up holding on to the Jeep at $8500.00 because most folks that have that kind of cash will use it as a down payment on a newer vehicle.
Unless a person has gold balls credit, most banks won't loan that kind of money on a 23 year old vehicle.

How long has the '95 been for sale?

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The '95 will also have a dual diaphragm brake booster, since it is the 4.0L/5 speed. That's the only time the YJ's ever had the DDB.

That's what the internet claims but i had a 1994 with a dual diaphragm brake booster. I think the reason was that it had ABS brakes and i think the ABS brake option got you the bigger axle shaft u-joints as well. Maybe in 1995 all YJ's came with the big booster but it was available earlier than that.
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Thanks for the advice! It's been for sale for a month or so...he's lowered price a little over time, so he seems to be set on the 8500. May be able to negotiate with cash in hand, but we'll see! Wranglers here in CA seem to hold value pretty good, so it's hard to find one in this good of shape even if the price is higher than I'd like to spend.

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My vote is for the 1995. In addition to the hard top & doors (a $1200.00 to $1500.00 value) and the DD brake booster, the '95 has an external slave cylinder for the clutch.
Internal slaves have recently been problematic.
dsaylor makes a good point about the cost of a new top & doors ($447.00 @ Qtec), plus, what does a decent paint job cost ($2K)?

If you have the cash, offer him $7K. He might end up holding on to the Jeep at $8500.00 because most folks that have that kind of cash will use it as a down payment on a newer vehicle.
Unless a person has gold balls credit, most banks won't loan that kind of money on a 23 year old vehicle.

How long has the '95 been for sale?

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95 looks and sounds too to be true. I would jump all over it if I lived out there.
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Where in Nor cal are you?


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So the red '95 may be off the market...though hasn't been finalized. Anyone think the 1993 is worth it? I've attached a few more photos. Again, mileage is good, good enough shape, but it has had tranny and transfer case rebuilt (last 2k miles or so) due to incorrect towing by PO. The seller sounds legit and is up front with everything, but I always am leery when I hear something was rebuilt. Thoughts?
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So the red '95 may be off the market...though hasn't been finalized. Anyone think the 1993 is worth it? I've attached a few more photos. Again, mileage is good, good enough shape, but it has had tranny and transfer case rebuilt (last 2k miles or so) due to incorrect towing by PO. The seller sounds legit and is up front with everything, but I always am leery when I hear something was rebuilt. Thoughts?
Incorrect towing will mess up the transfer-case/transmission so that is a believable story. And it might be a good thing that it was rebuilt. YJ's that are still running GL5 gear lube destroys the syncros hopefully to shop that rebuilt it refilled it with motor oil.
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True, I guess I just have more concern about something rebuilt rather than original and well taken care of. The seller has been very upfront about everything which makes me feel good about it being all legit.

While the top and doors on the 95 add value, I can always find something on Craigslist or just go with a nice soft top from bestop for the 93. Having owned a yj, even the hardtop is noisy, so that's not a huge deal compared to having a soft top for me. I'm also planning on painting myself, so only cost of material will factor in. I guess if I knew that the rebuilt tranny and TC were going to last longer now, rather than having issues, I'd feel much better about the 93.
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If the TC is good and you feel secure about it, everything else seems like a fun project to pick at. Ive been able to sell lots of castoff parts from mine as Ive been building it, so you might be able to recoup some dollars from the parts you want to replace.


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Eewwww...automatic trans
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Ask what shop did the trans & TC rebuild and then Google them.
If they have a website, look for customer reviews, or run the shops name through your local BBB.

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As far as the auto trans, I had a Cherokee with an auto and it did fine off road.
Nothing too serious, but some hairy Colorado Mountain abandoned mining roads.

Some serious rock crawlers prefer an auto. I prefer stick.

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oops i missed that i thought it was an AX15.... never mind on running motor oil in it then lol
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oops i missed that i thought it was an AX15.... never mind on running motor oil in it then lol

Lol well to be honest with you, I'd prefer stick! However, seems like the rh32 is pretty reliable from what I've read, so I'm actually considering it. Just trying to find a good deal on something that won't break the bank, but has relatively low miles. I'd spend a little more if it meant longer term reliability.
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If you really were looking for a 5 speed, you are going to regret your purchase. If you are anything like me, there would be no chance of an auto, no matter how clean the Jeep was.
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Lol well to be honest with you, I'd prefer stick! However, seems like the rh32 is pretty reliable from what I've read, so I'm actually considering it. Just trying to find a good deal on something that won't break the bank, but has relatively low miles. I'd spend a little more if it meant longer term reliability.

I had a 3 speed auto in a 94 YJ and i didn't like it It was fairly reliable though. It did quit moving around 60K and i took it to a tranny shop for a rebuild and after they rebuilt it it still did not move and they replaced the torque converter and that fixed it. Later on i read a TSB about this issue and it having something to do with the torque converter. After that problem was fixed i racked up over 220K on it and sold it to a friend. He racked up a ton more miles on it. He said that the tranny didn't feel quite right by the time he sold it to someone else so i don't know what it's condition is now. I just know this jeep had over 300K on it with 1 tranny/torque converter rebuild so it was still pretty reliable.
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Yeah, I really do enjoy driving manual, but not sure if it's truly a deal breaker or not. That's good to hear about your experience with your Auto... Makes me feel better since the torque converter was also replaced on the 93 I'm looking at. Decisions, decisions!

Update: Red 1995 is sold. So looks like I can jump on the 93 if I want. Also, anyone know about 92 Sahara's? Found one with 69,500 miles.
"New Tires
New Water Pump
New Clutch
New Blue Tooth CD Player W/Aux
New Soft Top Rain Cover
New Complete Soft Top Cover"
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