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Old 01-30-2014, 09:14 AM
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AutoRust products? have frame rust and need a good product help please

I am having to replace the rear ends of my frame due to rust... Has anyone used AutoRust.com sleeve product? It looks like you cut the existing bad rust and weld this in its place. Have any of you used this product? Is there a better product out there to replace sections of the frame? Let me know what you guys think!!!

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Old 01-30-2014, 11:00 AM
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No one has used this product or any other on there frame? Have any of you replaced the rear sections of the frame where the shackle mounts are? I need some advice here I don't want to buy something that is of lessor quality or inferior to another brand. I want to buy something of quality cause I am dealing with the frame

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Old 01-30-2014, 12:57 PM   #3
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I put those in mine on both sides. They work really well. I just had to trim to fit what I didn't need, cause they go the whole way up to the cross member in front of the gas tank. Using these requires taking the tank out so that you can get in there to weld the inside of the frame.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:18 PM
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Well I wish I had known that before I just replaced my gas tank and fuel lines and that is how I realized I needed this done. Thanks for the info... Is that the exact brand you used?
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safetcap worked well for me.got it from quaratec
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:44 PM
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I was just looking at their product!! What type of welder do you have? Personally I only have a 90 AMP flux wire welder that I am very good with and make good solid welds... My work has very nice MIG welders and they are certified... Do you think it will make a big difference in the finished strength? I am not worried about laying the most beautiful weld more worried about strength... any insight from those that have done welding on frames would be great
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for the thin stuff I plug my 110 flux in to my engine driven welder.if I was to plug it into the 15 amp. wall its not hot enough
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My whole back end is autorust safety caps. 2 frame caps the back crossmember and rear bumper. In my opinion stick shouldn't be used depending on how bad your rust is. Mine was so bad the frame cracked off with the back bumper. Mig was the way to go. Make sure to remove any rubber lines too. I can get some detailed pictures of the mended frame. The instructions say do 1 inch long welds with 1 inch gaps. I did that at first but with any light flexing caused stress at the welds. When you cut your old frame leave at least 3 inches of the old frame there. Also call quadratec to order them and get them to price match autorust. Also before welding the caps in be sure to rhinoline or what ever rust prevention spray the inside but leave a half inch clean at the top where it welds
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I had the same problem and had to get mine welded since i have no garage and can't practice welding my self. After shopping around for the rear shackle pieces and checking out shops that can do the welding, i ran into good welder on Staten Island which priced welding and supplied the good metal for it cheaper all together than if i bought the shackle pieces and paid for welding separately. the way they did it looks much better and is more solid than with the shackled pieces, they also welded a strap around so it hold under loads. i paid 400$ for it just so you guys get an idea. If any one interested, Whity's welders on staten island, NY are the ones who do it.
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To mention one more thing, when i was looking for frame anti rust solution i ran into eastwood spray solution. Basically it's paint with galvanizing solution, 3 cans should be enough to pain inside of your frame solid to galvanize and pain the inside. Internal Frame Coating w/Spray Nozzle | Eastwood
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Thank you for all your help... Last night I crawled up under the jeep and was looking closely at the frame my brother in law made it out to be way more than it is.... I understand rust on the frame is bad but on the drivers side there is none. On the passenger side bottom of the rail is a 2 in long hole less than the width of the frame. Do you think I can patch it with just some metal that I cut since this is the only problem? Or should I go with the whole replace a frame panel? Let me know what you guys think
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i believe it will serve you better if you cut the rust off and weld in the replacement panels to good metal. Welding a strap to hold loads also is good. I believe welding in a line to rust is not quiet effective and only is a temporary solution, very temporary. Unless the good metal begins right after 1-2 semesters of rust that should be removed.
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basically I could cut out a 2 in long section on the bottom of the frame the same width and be touching clean metal on 4 sides.... want do you think?
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I saw here on forum one guy did the 3 sides him self just like that. He cut out the metal sides and bottom, welded it, also welded a strap (basically a bracket) to support it. he said it worked out well. I had same issue, but unfortunately i had no place where i could weld, so i paid the welder, he had solid 3 sided metal piece that he just welded up after cutting the rust and supported it with the bracket.

I would suggest you get the same factory made 3 sided metal piece (which is not welded on the angles but rather is a whole) trim it to your liking, cut out that rust on frame and weld it up. You want it to hold solid so pressure from leaf springs during off-roading wont brake those welds.
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If that's all the rust there is, then I would say that you can just cut a patch to weld in there.

Cut out the bad spot, grind it down good to bare clean steel. Make the patch fit exact with as small of a gap as possible. And burn it in.

Oh and by the way, I have both, a gas mig (Miller) and a flux core mig (Harbor Freight), and I use the HF welder more than the expensive one. It will do fine for patching the frame. I used 3/16" plate steel to patch other parts in my frame like in behind the steering box.
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It's funny how the cheapo harbor freight welders get made fun of yet I've used it to fix 4 yj frames and 7 tj frames and my snap-on collects dust lol.

If you could snap some pictures of the rust and how bad it is. If it runs the span of the frame from the rear bumper up towards the curve of the frame you might want a safety cap. If it is the width of the frame I'd use a safety cap. If there is enough frame left on the bottom that is thick enough to weld to you could use a piece of steel. Look up proper plate welding on a frame if its a small patch you're going to be fixing.

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