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Old 01-15-2020, 12:58 PM
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Barricade vs. Warn bumpers

Howdy everyone. I recently ordered a Barricade HD bumper for my 87 YJ, and then started looking at reviews and install instructions, which then got me a little concerned.

It seems that even though the barricade bumper claims it fits the YJ, there is still some modification needed to be made to the mounting holes/bolt holes. That bothers me since it seems to give less mounting space/less of a tight fit for a bolt. As a recovery point, it seems like this could be a problem when being pulled or adding a winch.

Alternately in roughly the same price point as the barricade (+$80) I could get a Warn bumper that says it's specifically for the YJ. Granted this option also requires additional add ons similar to Metalcloak.

Am I being overly concerned about the modifications I need to make to the Barricade and how it affects overall strength of the mounting (e.g. for recovery)?

Hopefully looking for others' opinions, since I still have time and budget to change my mind away from the barricade and go with warn (or another route).

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I have a Barricade w/tire carrier on my TJ I don't remember any fitment issues. Once you get the bumper bolted down it will be solid no worries... I've done plenty of recovery with my TJ with no bent or tore up bumpers. Save the $80 for another mod.


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Thanks for the heads up on that. My main concern is fitment for the front bumper on my YJ. I've seen a lot of reviews where people had to widen the holes for the mounting, and from what I've seen it leaves not much steel left on the tab, which makes me nervous. Haven't seen any issues with the rear bumper. I got them delivered yesterday, but all things considered (and extreme terrain's very strict return policy) I've just left them in the box and opted to eat the $20 return shipping policy, and go with bumpers specifically for the YJ and guaranteed to fit.
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one thing to remember is the warn bumpers are made in Oregon and are quality. The random chinese bumpers sold under different names often have thinner metal, recovery points that are not welded front and rear on both sides of the bumper and thin, flaky paint.
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one thing to remember is the warn bumpers are made in Oregon and are quality. The random chinese bumpers sold under different names often have thinner metal, recovery points that are not welded front and rear on both sides of the bumper and thin, flaky paint.
For the cost savings of $200 I'd take a Barricade bumper over the comparable Warn bumper any day. A mere 1/32" of steel maybe a tiny bit stronger but not that you would would ever notice if you know how to do recovery safely.
Not like some hillbilly with your foot flat on the floor.

I've towed a fully loaded and heavy JKU with a blown top tank on the radiator 16 miles with over half of that offroad through obstacles and up and down hills also have done countless offroad recoveries. I regularly tow a 700lb landscaping trailer with a 800lb 750 Suzuki Kingquad on the trailer with that Chinese bumper. I have yet to tweak it out of shape yet.

I one time recovered a TJ buried up to the tub and off camber with a double line winch pull through a snatch block and back to my Smittybilt XRC front bumper and tow strap around a tree back to the Smittybilt XRC rear bumper as an anchor. Neither of those Chinese made 5/32" steel bumpers failed in anyway.

As far as the coating you mentioned on the cheap Chinese bumpers I consider it just as tough as the bumpers. I know plenty of folks running Smittybilt, EAG, and Barricade bumpers with absolutely no problems. So spend your money as you wish and I'll do the same... I will continue to recommend these brands of bumpers.
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It sounds like it works well for you. Just remember that the $200 savings, as is the case will all communist country products, is from cheaper materials using sweat shop labor. There is a reason they can make a copy of product and ship it across the globe for cheaper. Personally, I try to buy a US made product if at all possible, even if it means I cant buy as much "stuff". Sometimes, domestic replacement parts are no longer available.

The thread starter asked for a comparision between the two. I would also recommend the us made dirtworx bumper as well.
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It sounds like it works well for you. Just remember that the $200 savings, as is the case will all communist country products, is from cheaper materials using sweat shop labor. There is a reason they can make a copy of product and ship it across the globe for cheaper. Personally, I try to buy a US made product if at all possible, even if it means I cant buy as much "stuff". Sometimes, domestic replacement parts are no longer available.

The thread starter asked for a comparision between the two. I would also recommend the us made dirtworx bumper as well.
I also try to buy American made but these days it's getting harder to do so... Many American based companies are having their products produced outside of the USA including Warn. Maybe to a higher standard but with the same materials and sweat shop labor. So where do you draw the line at saving money and paying big bucks for a name?
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I also try to buy American made but these days it's getting harder to do so... Many American based companies are having their products produced outside of the USA including Warn. Maybe to a higher standard but with the same materials and sweat shop labor. So where do you draw the line at saving money and paying big bucks for a name?
I just bought a US made warn M8000 instead of their cheaper chinese made version for the low end market, the vr evo 8, for that reason. I've been wheeling for 25 years and have seen what holds up and what doesn't, but I dont knock anyone else's choices made on their vehicles.

Let's try to keep the thread on topic which was a comparision of the two bumpers.
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I just bought a US made warn M8000 instead of their cheaper chinese made version for the low end market, the vr evo 8, for that reason. I've been wheeling for 25 years and have seen what holds up and what doesn't, but I dont knock anyone else's choices made on their vehicles.

Let's try to keep the thread on topic which was a comparision of the two bumpers.



Warn winches haven't been made in America for years. I remember when Warn went third world and guys were hoarding the old made in America hubs. I didn't have a need for a winch or hubs at the time so now i own Chinese Warn products. I cant say I'm disappointed in them but then again i have never own "real" Warn stuff. Bestop is not made in America anymore either. As for Bumpers i build my own they are easy and you can build them the way you want.
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Wow. I didn't know what I was starting when I asked for opinions.

I definitely appreciate both sides of the conversation. My personal preference is to buy american as much as possible. A little off topic, but it gives our fellow americans a job, and I still believe american workmanship is superior. That's my take, basically from my experience having dealt with non-american made stuff.

I was originally looking at the EAG lineup of bumpers, since they have a nice style and competitive pricing. But, at one point I had ordered one of their spare tire mount extenders, and even though it was meant to specifically fit my lug pattern on a YJ/TJ, no matter what configuration I put it in (per the instructions) it didn't line up. Additionally looking at reviews for EAG stuff, people had a heck of a time installing. So from my perspective, if EAG couldn't send me a simple part with proper alignment, their bumpers were a no go. And when I say that, it wasn't just a "one or two people had an issue," but multiple people with the same complaints. Heck, even bestop couldn't get it right with the seat risers MATCHING to their seats. Ended up having to drill out some holes to get things lined up right.
I can't say I've had the same issues with american made parts so far.

Anyways, back on topic, my primary concern isn't chinese vs. american made, as I'm happy to save a couple of extra bucks here and there if I'm not sacrificing quality or taking a chance being stranded asking "why did I skimp _here_ ?"

I most likely would have at least attempted an install with the Barricade, because I honestly, I liked the look of that front bumper, but with ET's return policy, if what a lot of reviewers had said, and I would end up needing to drill out the holes, it reduces my trust in the product. I just didn't even want to attempt it, just to have yet another spare part laying around my apartment, or an expensive wall decoration.
Just my perspective, since a lot of times I end up out on trails alone (nothing extreme), and I don't want to limit myself due to not trusting my equipment.

Warn seems to be pretty well liked in the bumper category, and being that they have told me that it's specifically for the YJ, that gives me a lot of confidence, plus going through Amazon if I have an issue... Well, we know they don't give a rat's rear end when it comes to returns.

Thanks for the dirtworx suggestion. I had spaced out on them, but have seen theirs as well and may actually take another look before pulling the trigger on the Warn bumpers. Metal cloak was also on my list for a bit, as I think their full setup is pretty nice (fenders, bumpers, armor, etc.) but too expensive at my current price point. May end up building it out piecemeal, but I'm a bit impatient and would probably be eating ramen just to make sure front and rear fenders match. Ha! But that's my own personal issue.

Good to hear what's working for others as well, especially since my experiences have biased me somewhat against some of the Chinese companies. Maybe it's just been bad luck, but glad to hear others haven't had the same streak.
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Warn winches haven't been made in America for years. I remember when Warn went third world and guys were hoarding the old made in America hubs. I didn't have a need for a winch or hubs at the time so now i own Chinese Warn products. I cant say I'm disappointed in them but then again i have never own "real" Warn stuff. Bestop is not made in America anymore either. As for Bumpers i build my own they are easy and you can build them the way you want.
sorry, but that is incorrect. Only the VR line is made in China at a facility solely making their winch to compete with the lower priced chinese products on the market. The remainder are made with US cases, gears, and wiring and assembled in Oregon. Some parts used in that assembly are now made from overseas sources such as solenoids and some motors.

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sorry, but that is incorrect. Only the VR line is made in China at a facility solely making their winch to compete with the lower priced chinese products on the market. The remainder are made and assembled in Oregon. Some parts used in that assembly are now made from overseas sources.
No they are not i called Warn myself and asked them. They told me they are made from parts sourced from parts from allover the globe. I know the motors are made in South America they might make some of the parts here but im guessing a large portion is made in China but they will not tell you where they come from exactly. If you want a Warn made 100% in the USA you will have to buy a old one. I could be wrong but i believe their premium winches went Chinese when the free spool lever changed. I would like to put the old style lever on my new XD9000 Chinese winch but i am not sure if the new Chinese parts are compatible.

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Assembled in the USA and Made in the USA are two different things
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The remainder are made and assembled in Oregon. Some parts used in that assembly are now made from overseas sources.
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No they are not i called Warn myself and asked them. They told me they are made from parts sourced from parts from allover the globe. I know the motors are made in South America they might make some of the parts here but im guessing a large portion is made in China but they will not tell you where they come from exactly. If you want a Warn made 100% in the USA you will have to buy a old one. I could be wrong but i believe their premium winches went Chinese when the free spool lever changed. I would like to put the old style lever on my new XD9000 Chinese winch but i am not sure if the new Chinese parts are compatible.
Its an interesting discussion and everyone should buy what they need. As I stated, the US assembled winches are using some overseas parts. The cases and gears are still US made. I'm not worried if the solenoid was made in Brazil. According to warn, only the VR line is made and assembled overseas. Your XD9000 came out of Oregon. I personally have a M8000 on my YJ.
https://www.roundforge.com/articles/...inch-made-usa/
https://www.warn.com/compare-truck-suv-winches

I would still trust a warn vr over the smittybilts and other generic chinese winches after having taken both apart to to clock the engagement levers to make them fit in a forward mounting ARB bumper. There is a distinct quality difference. The smitty had the same horrible paper gaskets and grease the badlands winches use.

the problem now is people want to cheaply "build" their vehicles up all at once with cheaper, inferior chineses copies instead of buying quality parts and doing it as they can afford to. IMO winches, recovery gear, tires, bumpers and suspension are not places to use cheap stuff. I've witnessed this stuff fail on the trail. My point about the cheap, thin bumpers with improper tow points is illustrated in the pic.
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That picture looks more to be a bad rigging job than a faulty bumper...
Kinda like these idiots.
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That picture looks more to be a bad rigging job than a faulty bumper...
Kinda like these idiots

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the recovery point was only welded to the front. its a common practice with the chinese bumpers and its extremely dangerous. You're much safer with the factory channel bumper and tow hooks.
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The eye is still there in one piece welded to the bumper... Looks to me someone tried to pull it from the side instead of a straight on pull and tore the metal. Whether a Warn bumper could withstand that same kind of abuse I don't know try it on yours and let us know.
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The eye is still there in one piece welded to the bumper... Looks to me someone tried to pull it from the side instead of a straight on pull and tore the metal. Whether a Warn bumper could withstand that same kind of abuse I don't know try it on yours and let us know.
it peeled like a tin can because the recovery point wasnt welded to both side of the bumper. you dont get straight pulls in most recovery situations.
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Friends of mine have 10,000 pound Badlands winches and they have been using them for many years. They dont properly maintain them and leave them outside exposed to the weather and they have never failed. Yeah they are kinda ugly and kinda cheap looking but they work when you need them. When i bought my Warn i seriously considered buying a Badlands just because i know they hold up well. When i found out that the new Warn winches were mostly made in China and were more than twice as expensive i came close to just getting a Harbor Freight.

But i had always wanted a Warn winch and i know that even though they are Chinese i should always be able to get any replacement part i ever need for it. The Warn winches do feel better made than Badlands but to be honest i would rather Warn pay Chinese to assemble the winch and save me $500 since it's mostly made there anyways.
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it peeled like a tin can because the recovery point wasnt welded to both side of the bumper. you dont get straight pulls in most recovery situations.
Ummm that's what snatch blocks are made for... And to double line pull load



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Friends of mine have 10,000 pound Badlands winches and they have been using them for many years. They dont properly maintain them and leave them outside exposed to the weather and they have never failed. Yeah they are kinda ugly and kinda cheap looking but they work when you need them. When i bought my Warn i seriously considered buying a Badlands just because i know they hold up well. When i found out that the new Warn winches were mostly made in China and were more than twice as expensive i came close to just getting a Harbor Freight.

But i had always wanted a Warn winch and i know that even though they are Chinese i should always be able to get any replacement part i ever need for it. The Warn winches do feel better made than Badlands but to be honest i would rather Warn pay Chinese to assemble the winch and save me $500 since it's mostly made there anyways.
here's the problem with these discussions. everyone knows someone who has used something and its fine or the person who bought the cheap chinese stuff and will defend it to the death because its what they bought. As I said, I dont have an ego about mods/accessories and have always shot straight about what works and doesn't work on my trucks. Use what you want and can afford. I'll never discourage anyone from jeeping based on accessories.

You keep repeating chinese warn, but your warn xd9000 isn't made in china, assembled in china, or using primary chinese parts. Only the VR line is "mostly made in china". You said earlier "I know the motors are made in South America they might make some of the parts here but im guessing a large portion is made in China". Warn has always gotten motors from the company in Brazil. That was never a secret. I'm not sure why you're making that chinese guess still, but I don't care enough to continue to discuss it.

I have a badlands 12k winch on a trailer and also know people who use them. replacement parts are nonexistent for them, but they are cheap enough to be disposable. They can be made somewhat reliable with waterproofing the control box, replacing the grease and sealing the ends. The are painfully slow and are very inefficient. A good walkthrough is here:
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Ummm that's what snatch blocks are made for... And to double line pull load
cool. I hope you at least used rated snatch blocks from a reputable company.
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Premium Warn winches are just assembled here most of the winch is outsourced to be made in the third world. Taking a bunch of Chinese made parts importing them and then having Americans put them together does not equal made in the USA.

I remember when Warn outsourced everything everyone online was pissed and swore they would never buy another Warn product. There were even going as far to buy up old stock Warn hubs so they could have "the good ones" if they ever needed them in the future. That was close to 20 years ago and when i bought a set of Warn premium locking hubs for my D44 it said Made in China right on the box.

I am not bashing Warn they still make a decent product but i think only their Bumpers are 100% US made, but then again that could have changed. Warn winches are just as foreign as anything else despite who puts them together.
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Premium Warn winches are just assembled here most of the winch is outsourced to be made in the third world. Taking a bunch of Chinese made parts importing them and then having Americans put them together does not equal made in the USA.

I remember when Warn outsourced everything everyone online was pissed and swore they would never buy another Warn product. There were even going as far to buy up old stock Warn hubs so they could have "the good ones" if they ever needed them in the future. That was close to 20 years ago and when i bought a set of Warn premium locking hubs for my D44 it said Made in China right on the box.

I am not bashing Warn they still make a decent product but i think only their Bumpers are 100% US made, but then again that could have changed. Warn winches are just as foreign as anything else despite who puts them together.
so we're jumping from bumpers, to winches to hubs now? jeez

the bumpers are 100% US made, which is the thread topic.
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Hahaha. Wow. It got a bit contentious in here...

To be fair, the winch discussion, while OT is somewhat relevant to my intention of this thread. Having trusted recovery setups. Part of wanting a strong bumper will be for pulling and attaching a winch to, and honestly I'll be looking at warn for winches at some point regardless. They overall just have the best reputation, seemingly regardless of where they are made (but I'll say I prefer USA made or Japanese made parts, just from my experience and personal preference).

More on topic though, I decided to go with someone's recommendation of Dirtworx. When comparing Dirtworx vs. Warn, it just really made sense. Made in the USA, includes customization, and a fully built Dirtworx front winch bumper is $358 vs. I think it was roughly $380 FOR JUST THE FLAT BUMPER (not including brush guard +200, plus winch plate +200), so close to $800 just for a front bumper, that from what I can tell the only advantage is the W cut onto one corner. It really just seems like a ripoff in comparison.
Additionally, Dirtworx has a full rear bumper with tire carrier and gerry can holder with hi lift jack mount for $469. Compared with Warn rear bumper without carrier assembly coming in around $480 and then another $850+ for the carrier assembly... This is even competitive with the thinner steel Barricade bumpers that I was also looking at, and is guaranteed to fit right without modification or mucking about.
Dirtworx will even give you a custom length to your spec. Trading emails with the owner, he's been really helpful and I'm stoked to be placing an order in the next week.

Yeah, I'll have to paint it all myself, but that's what? $40 in rattle cans? If you're interested, the website is thedirtworx.com Thanks to bamabrock for the recommendation.
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Hahaha. Wow. It got a bit contentious in here...

To be fair, the winch discussion, while OT is somewhat relevant to my intention of this thread. Having trusted recovery setups. Part of wanting a strong bumper will be for pulling and attaching a winch to, and honestly I'll be looking at warn for winches at some point regardless. They overall just have the best reputation, seemingly regardless of where they are made (but I'll say I prefer USA made or Japanese made parts, just from my experience and personal preference).

More on topic though, I decided to go with someone's recommendation of Dirtworx. When comparing Dirtworx vs. Warn, it just really made sense. Made in the USA, includes customization, and a fully built Dirtworx front winch bumper is $358 vs. I think it was roughly $380 FOR JUST THE FLAT BUMPER (not including brush guard +200, plus winch plate +200), so close to $800 just for a front bumper, that from what I can tell the only advantage is the W cut onto one corner. It really just seems like a ripoff in comparison.
Additionally, Dirtworx has a full rear bumper with tire carrier and gerry can holder with hi lift jack mount for $469. Compared with Warn rear bumper without carrier assembly coming in around $480 and then another $850+ for the carrier assembly... This is even competitive with the thinner steel Barricade bumpers that I was also looking at, and is guaranteed to fit right without modification or mucking about.
Dirtworx will even give you a custom length to your spec. Trading emails with the owner, he's been really helpful and I'm stoked to be placing an order in the next week.

Yeah, I'll have to paint it all myself, but that's what? $40 in rattle cans? If you're interested, the website is thedirtworx.com Thanks to bamabrock for the recommendation.
Good decision buying the Dirtworx carrrier. Currently have then on my YJ and TJ. Buying one for my XY this spring.
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Blort, what is an XY, other than the chromosomes of a male?
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so we're jumping from bumpers, to winches to hubs now? jeez

the bumpers are 100% US made, which is the thread topic.
Probably out of Chinese steel LOL!

But seriously bumpers are the easiest thing you can make. I built my front winch bumper for less than $100 and it is made in the USA out of US made steel. A welder is the handiest thing you will ever buy I use mine all the time.

And if the rear bumper does not have safety chain hooks dont buy it. My friend bought a cheap rear bumper for his YJ because he was to lazy to make his own then he found out it was not rated to tow anything and did not have safety chain hooks. He ended up drilling 2 holes in the bumper and hooking the chains to the bumper it's self. He's only pulling a light weight jet ski though.
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Hahaha. Wow. It got a bit contentious in here...

To be fair, the winch discussion, while OT is somewhat relevant to my intention of this thread. Having trusted recovery setups. Part of wanting a strong bumper will be for pulling and attaching a winch to, and honestly I'll be looking at warn for winches at some point regardless. They overall just have the best reputation, seemingly regardless of where they are made (but I'll say I prefer USA made or Japanese made parts, just from my experience and personal preference).

More on topic though, I decided to go with someone's recommendation of Dirtworx. When comparing Dirtworx vs. Warn, it just really made sense. Made in the USA, includes customization, and a fully built Dirtworx front winch bumper is $358 vs. I think it was roughly $380 FOR JUST THE FLAT BUMPER (not including brush guard +200, plus winch plate +200), so close to $800 just for a front bumper, that from what I can tell the only advantage is the W cut onto one corner. It really just seems like a ripoff in comparison.
Additionally, Dirtworx has a full rear bumper with tire carrier and gerry can holder with hi lift jack mount for $469. Compared with Warn rear bumper without carrier assembly coming in around $480 and then another $850+ for the carrier assembly... This is even competitive with the thinner steel Barricade bumpers that I was also looking at, and is guaranteed to fit right without modification or mucking about.
Dirtworx will even give you a custom length to your spec. Trading emails with the owner, he's been really helpful and I'm stoked to be placing an order in the next week.

Yeah, I'll have to paint it all myself, but that's what? $40 in rattle cans? If you're interested, the website is thedirtworx.com Thanks to bamabrock for the recommendation.
You'll love the dirtworx bumper.
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Blort, what is an XY, other than the chromosomes of a male?
XJ. Stupid phone.

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