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Old 12-17-2008, 11:00 PM
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Best way to turn gray softtop into black?

This may be a simple question, but what's the best way to turn a light gray soft top into a black one? The top's not ripped or torn, so I can't justify replacing it just for a color change....what's the best paint and/or dye to use that will hold decent color, and not cause it to lose it's waterproofing?

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thats a tough one, and when i was in your shoes a few years ago i just ended up gettin another top of which was the right color.

i would NOT try paint, that doesnt make any sense.

but the whole (dye) idea isnt that bad of a thought.
maybe search black dye for fabrics or whatever, i bet it would work, as strange as it sounds.

i also would bet noone on this forum has changed the color of their soft top b4 either, but i hope im wrong for yer sake.

or you could just man up and get some black dye

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I painted mine with durabak bedliner brown with the uv protector. still looks good over a year later.
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^ durabak on a soft top?

I would get a black one and not try to die it. I don't know of any UV protected dies and it will fade and wash out after a while.
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If there is not a specific dye for the cloth soft tops are made of you're out of luck dying it. And if there is, I would assume the setting process is more than just anyone can do at home.

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I painted mine with durabak bedliner brown with the uv protector. still looks good over a year later.
really? a soft top?

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no, I was not paying attention.
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I'm going to try Duplicolor vinyl dye on a pair of grey soft doors I got cheep. Figure I got nothing to loose, let you know how it comes out...
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Is you're top made of vinyl??
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I thought they were made of canvas.
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I did a lot of searching and it appears that best top uses some kind of woven vinyl fabric, hell I don't know anyway there seemed to be some success using the several coats of the vinyl dye, so figure I'll give it a try on the doors, I only plan on using them when it rains anyway so they'll be off most of the time.

Only thing for certain is that this is an experiment, in all my searching I never did find anyone that had really said they did it and it worked...

Oh, BTW, they haven't really made soft tops in canvas for a long time from what I read.
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I believe all jeep tops have been fabric since the YJ was introduced.
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But not canvas, canvas is mostly water proof because the threads swell when wet making the hole between the threads too small for water to pass, like the old canvas tents, they tended to leak a bit till they soaked then it stopped. All of the convertible car tops are some type of vinyl cloth that is not porous at all. One way you can tell that the doors I have are not canvas is that they are a different color on the inside, they are light gray on the outside and almost a white color on the inside, if they were a canvas they color would go all the way through.

So yes it is a fabric, which is a pretty broad description, but it isn't cotton like canvas would be.
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I'm going to try Duplicolor vinyl dye on a pair of grey soft doors I got cheep. Figure I got nothing to loose, let you know how it comes out...
There is one huge difference between those doors and the top. Fold points. So even if it works well on the doors it may not on the top where the fabric folds. I suggest you find a place on the doors you can crease it a couple (hundred) times to see if it will actually hold up. If they're like mine (two pieces) the velcro area would offer this.


I also take issue with a dye that is in "coats". That's a paint. Dye is actually in the fabric where as paint is on top. Being on top of the fabric and not in it is going to be the problem when it comes to folding the soft top.
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Another problem is that a dye must be absorbed into the fabric and our tops are designed and treated to be non-absorbent.
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Another problem is that a dye must be absorbed into the fabric and our tops are designed and treated to be non-absorbent.
That's a big problem if the product is true dye.
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duplicolor makes a vinyl spray paint that has a flex agent in it to allow it to handle the flexibility of, well, vinyl........i would try and find it.....ive used it and it worked out well...and that was based on the suggestion by a local jeeps shop owner from around here that couldve just talked me into buying a new top....ill ask him again what that paint was and post up
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Just spend the $$ and buy a new top. You will be much happier with the end result.
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Just spend the $$ and buy a new top. You will be much happier with the end result.
its easy to say if youve got the money for a new top(tops are the last thing i like to put money into)......he/she might not....ive seen the painted tops workout for long periods of time.....i actually just did mine and have had three trips with it up and down and have had no problems even with tree branches scraping it.
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I agree buy the right color
maybe sell your gray one
to take out some of the bite of a new one
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Wish I could "just" buy a new top right now. I sell motorcycles...not like I'm making any money at the moment - economy in the toilet, winter in Maryland...not many people taking home $20k toys. <shrug> It is what it is. I'm also not worried enough about it to go through buying a whole new top (I use a cabtop and tonneau, by the way - not a stock top). I haven't washed the Jeep since I bought it three years ago, I'm not that concerned about how it looks lol. Just would like to hide the mildew stains on the top if at all possible, and black would match the rollbar pads and line-X'd interior.
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Try some bleach and water its good for removing mildew
Try an inconspicuous spot to see how it turns out before doing the whole top
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