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Old 04-12-2019, 12:30 PM
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Buying a YJ what to ask?

I found a 95YJ 5sp 4cyl for sale supposedly garage kept. It needs a new top. Supposedly has about 76K miles on it. My problem is I live 5 hours away so going to look at it isn't an easy task. The dealer claims it has no accidents blah blah blah. What do I need to ask over the phone before I talk $$$'s? I want this basically for a summer cruiser with a few mods to call it my own. My regular ride is an 18 Crosstrek.


This may be a mid life crisis since my wife passed away last summer after 25 years of marriage but I have always wanted a Jeep but the new ones are too expensive for my wallet.



Any insight and wisdom would be appreciated.


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What to ask a dealer? I wouldn’t trust what they said regardless

In person things to look for depending on where you live:

Rust near shackles
Rust on floorboards
Rust near rollbar bases
Rust near rear crossmember behind fuel tank

Peek under the dash and look for loose wires, connectors that could be the result of some kids miserable attempt of installing a stereo.

If you have concerns about something in particular send me a photo, I have the same Jeep, thus it will be easy to ascertain if somethings off.
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First off would be rust in all the usual places. Miles that low means this jeep is now meant to bring back nostalgia of the early 90s. I would love to see pictures.
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Yeah.... You did not fill out your information so we don't know what region you are in. If you live in the rust belt, that is what to concern yourself with. If not, look at things like dryrotted rubber hoses and bushings. With that low of mileage it has likely spent a lot of time stored and things can dry out. I do agree with the " don't trust what the dealer says" part. Have them send more pics or just bit the bullet and make the road trip.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife.
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Welcome to the Forum EJM,

IRQ tells you where the most common frame rust points are. He forgot to include where the transmission X-member (skid plate) bolts to the bottom of the frame.

With that low miles, the dealer will be asking a premium price. Make sure the Jeep meets a premium inspection. It should look and drive like new.

If you have a mechanically inclined buddy (extra points for knowledge of old Jeeps), ask him to come along for a road trip.

A good soft top is $500.00. There are cheaper ones, but if I were to buy a soft top I'd buy the Bestop top.
Check out Quadratec or Morris 4X4 for Jeep parts.

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IRQ tells you where the most common frame rust points are. He forgot to include where the transmission X-member (skid plate) bolts to the bottom of the frame.

With that low miles, the dealer will be asking a premium price. Make sure the Jeep meets a premium inspection. It should look and drive like new.

If you have a mechanically inclined buddy (extra points for knowledge of old Jeeps), ask him to come along for a road trip.

A good soft top is $500.00. There are cheaper ones, but if I were to buy a soft top I'd buy the Bestop top.
Check out Quadratec or Morris 4X4 for Jeep parts.

Good Luck, L.M.
I think L. M. is hinting that you should Automatically Take a $500.00 discount to replace the top. Other things that I would look at if I had to do it again would be a close look underneath for any fluid leaking from anywhere that could mean taking a wrench into an unknown repair, Transmission input / output shafts, Differentials, Front axle disconnect, Brake calipers, and rear wheel cylinders, water pump, power steering, hoses, you get the idea..

You should be able to engage the four wheel drive, get through all the gears with reasonable ease.

Check the working condition of your Gauges, windshield wipers, heater fan motor, A/c if equipped, These are problematic areas in a lot of these older Jeeps. Not overly tough to repair, but great negotiating points on price.

Last, but sometimes frustrating, Check all your lights, brake, turn signal, hazards.

If you are not going to trailer it home, a 300 mile run may be a lot to ask if this thing hasn't been on the road in a while, have a back up plan in place if you run into any problems.

The upside is your looking at one of the preferred years as far as drivelines go, already has good tranny and the external slave cylinder.

Good luck and keep us posted how it's going.
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Welcome to the forum! I was in your shoes about 3 weeks ago.

I agree and concur with everyone above. For more of a history snap shot, you could ask for the VIN and do a history report online.
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Make sure you actually see that it is in 4x4. The actuator is notorious for not engaging the front axles, but it feels like it is in 4x4 because of the extra vibration of the front drive shaft. That one got me when I bought mine. Try to peak under the carpet at the front for rust in the floor, or get underneath and poke the floor. Look for spaghetti wiring from previous owners under the dash and hood. I passed on a 93 for that reason and learned later it was at a shop getting a full rewire done by the person who bought it.

Think through if you want a hard too or soft top as well. I have a hard top, and may sell it for a soft mainly for storage reasons. I bet I’ll wish I kept the hardtop if I do sell it.

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First off I'm sorry for the loss of your lady. After 25 years together I can't imagine that lack of her in your home and life. I honestly can't fathom walking into my home and not seeing my lady there. You have my prayers.

Now to the Jeep. YJ's are great and fun and hold a spot all their own, and they can be a money pit. My advice, and this echoes the posts above, is to crawl all over and under it and look at it. Look under the carpet (if it has it) at the firewall for leaks from the brake booster etc... check EVERYTHING. Do not feel that you have to buy it just because you drove that far to look at it.

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Thanks guys my story is worse than just my wife. I lost my mom to terminal cancer less than 15 months before my wife. My wife and I had been to Jr. High, High School and college together. We actually started datin after high school. My dad lives with me and he is insulin dependent diabetic with dementia and parkinsons. Now I am not telling you all this for sympathy. I am telling folks this because I wont them to know that despite all of this you should embrace life and live it.


Now if I can figure out how to post pics I will but my problem is I saw the pics and to be honest it looks like I will be out 2k for starters for repairs. I am not mechanically inclined. If I can post the pics the pics I will but it looks like it will need a new door because of rust, new gas tank and fuel pump and filter because of rust as well as a top because of cuts in it as well as possibly a new frame and leaf springs not to mention a new fender because of a hole in it. I swear the drivers side door looks wrinkled in one pic but it may be the lighting. I actually like the vehicle but it scares me.
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My experience with deciding things like this is this: when it's the right thing to do, you know it immediately. If you are having a hard time with the decision, it's not the right thing to do.
I think you could do better IMHO.
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Over time I have had 7 Jeeps, most have been rebuild projects. Each time I had to think about what I was getting into. Most recently I purchased a 1987 YJ that I saw setting along the road near where I live. It is now setting in my garage going through a transformation.

Bottom line is the Jeep you speak of will need work and $$ to make it what you want. If you have the will and the resources ..
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Peek under the dash and look for loose wires, connectors that could be the result of some kids miserable attempt of installing a stereo.
Offended lol but I know every kid does that. Just some kids don't do it the right way! smh
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Also, Welcome to the Forum, and I am sorry for your loss.

A soft top that I personally have been looking at is the Bestop Mikini Top, Windjammer & Duster Deck Cover Combo from Quadratec's website:

https://www.quadratec.com/products/11079_XX_PG.htm

Not sure if this is a look you are into, or if you are going to be keeping the back seat. I know I'm pulling mine and going to have a sort of a baby pick-up! Best of luck with your build! Definitely start a build thread on the build forum!!!

See you around! Cheers!
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Now if I can figure out how to post pics I will but my problem is I saw the pics and to be honest it looks like I will be out 2k for starters for repairs. I am not mechanically inclined. If I can post the pics the pics I will but it looks like it will need a new door because of rust, new gas tank and fuel pump and filter because of rust as well as a top because of cuts in it as well as possibly a new frame and leaf springs not to mention a new fender because of a hole in it. I swear the drivers side door looks wrinkled in one pic but it may be the lighting. I actually like the vehicle but it scares me.
Frame? Just no and I mean a for real NO. My advice is to leave that one alone and keep searching unless you have the ability to do a frame off restoration and the Jeep is free.....

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It took a year to find mine. I travel for work and had lots of rust free options. Found 1 from the West an hour and a half north of my house in the end.

Sorry for your loss. I married my high school sweetheart and can’t image what you are going through. Take care.
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Thanks guys my story is worse than just my wife. I lost my mom to terminal cancer less than 15 months before my wife. My wife and I had been to Jr. High, High School and college together. We actually started datin after high school. My dad lives with me and he is insulin dependent diabetic with dementia and parkinsons. Now I am not telling you all this for sympathy. I am telling folks this because I wont them to know that despite all of this you should embrace life and live it.

Be strong brother. When folks say "God won't give you any more than you can handle", that's not true. God will allow you to receive way more than you can handle. The trick is, when you pray, God will give you the strength to handle it.


but it looks like it will need a new door because of rust, new gas tank and fuel pump and filter because of rust as well as a top because of cuts in it as well as possibly a new frame and leaf springs not to mention a new fender because of a hole in it. I swear the drivers side door looks wrinkled in one pic but it may be the lighting. I actually like the vehicle but it scares me.
If it needs a frame...RUN.
Rich & Steph says "just no and I mean for real NO".
Lucky Mac says "Not heck no, not hell no but NO!".
A good rust free frame is around $700.00 before shipping.
If someone wanted me to change a frame, I would start at $5000.00 plus parts. Even at $5K for labor, that might be a bargain for the customer.

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A soft top that I personally have been looking at is the Bestop Mikini Top, Windjammer & Duster Deck Cover Combo from Quadratec's website:

https://www.quadratec.com/products/11079_XX_PG.htm
Be careful about the duster deck cover you get. There are two different types, and the pictures and descriptions are not helpful in deciding which one you'll get in the box.

There is one for Soft tops, and one for hard tops.

The one for soft tops usually requires you to use your factory bows and tail gate bar, and is often not shown in the pictures.

The one for hard tops includes the rails that soft tops already have (which makes it more expensive) and is the one usually shown in the pictures.

The other thing is except for the one in my link below, they don't seal around the door uppers and are not weather tight (well as weather tight as a Jeep can be)

Also, Picture in ad is not what you receive. See customer images for actual product images.
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Why do you want a YJ?

Has Logan grown any in the last few years? I lived in Logan for a short time about 11 years ago.
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This YJ, and most YJs, are not going to be a “cruiser” without putting a lot of time, experience, and money into. You say that you are not mechanically inclined? You shouldn’t be buying a YJ.

$2k to start? All of the rust that you describe, this is a pos, don’t even consider it.
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This YJ, and most YJs, are not going to be a “cruiser” without putting a lot of time, experience, and money into. You say that you are not mechanically inclined? You shouldn’t be buying a YJ.

$2k to start? All of the rust that you describe, this is a pos, don’t even consider it.
I actually gotta disagree here. No offense of course but you can learn to wrench easily with a YJ. Leaf spring suspension is so easy to work on. Every screw, bolt, nut is exposed on a YJ. The 4 or 6 cyl is so basic in its design you could do an engine swap in a day.

I will agree with the rust. Unless you're looking to fully restore a yj, you might just skip on this one.
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I just don’t think that people that self identify as “not mechanically inclined” tend to gravitate towards wrenching. There is a difference between a project and a cruiser.
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The question here is... is the OP willing to learn and is looking for an older vehicle to tinker with? If not, then maybe a YJ isn't the best choice. They are old. Any old vehicle will need a little more TLC than a newer vehicle. As stated above, they are very simple and would be a good vehicle to learn with if one is so inclined.
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My thought was to find a forum member in the area of the jeep, they could stop by and check it out for you. A current yj owner.
But with all the rust, skip it. 4 cyl are easy to find.
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Honestly the fact that it has a 4cyl alone is enough to deter myself away. No hate. It's a great engine from what I understand, but you'll always be wanting more from it. You're already going to be paying top dollar for the miles AND the stealerships price. Mind as well find a clean 6 cyl with a hardtop and 130k miles. My 4.0 has well over 230k on it and it purrs like a panther.
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Yeah, I wouldnt like a 4 cyl, but some people are fine with it, especially if they are wheelin it. And a new top is more like $ 600-800
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Has Logan grown any in the last few years? I lived in Logan for a short time about 11 years ago.

No if anything it has really went downhill. Most of the mines have shut down and few if any new jobs. By the time you take into the account of the drug problem mostly opioids and alcohol it is truely sad. To be honest I was born and raised here and if I didn't have 27 years in at my current job I would leave. That was the plan after my wife and I hit 55.
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The question here is... is the OP willing to learn and is looking for an older vehicle to tinker with? If not, then maybe a YJ isn't the best choice. They are old. Any old vehicle will need a little more TLC than a newer vehicle. As stated above, they are very simple and would be a good vehicle to learn with if one is so inclined.

My father in law and I can troubleshoot and tinker but the photos on the jeep werent pretty. I believe the gas tank was in dire need of replacement so that meant changing it out as well as other part of the fuel system and I swear it looked like in one area the frame had a hole in it. It's too far of a road trip to go look at based on the photos. I take care of my father because of his health needs and that trip is a no go so I passed on it.

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