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Old 06-13-2011, 10:15 AM
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Buying first Jeep

I am about to dive in and buy my first Wrangler. Exciting!

I am new to Wranglers, and I am also new to all things mechanical (auto related anyway).

I look forward to learning as much as I can from the knowledge on these boards.

I was wondering if anyone had any advice for looking at Jeeps when buying. I really like the 95 model and there are a couple in my area that seem relatively reasonable as far as price and condition. Does anyone have any recommendations on things to look for?

Is it considered bad form to post some of the listings for other users to give pointers?

Thanks for the help!

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Post up the ad. The best thing is for us to have a look at some high res pictures.

Also, don't forget to look for rust. The tubs like to rust out on these. Oh, and one more piece of advice: Get a 4.0 6 cylinder.

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First Wrangler

No, it's not bad form to ask. That's what the forums are for.

The 87 yo 95 YJs are one of the most popular models. Lots of them produced.

I see your in PA. First look for the one with the least amount of rust.
Also, I would recommend a stock Wrangler, one with the least amount of modifications. Usually less abused.

Anything else I could suggest are the same thing you'd do during any used vehicle purchase.

Good luck. Post some pictures after the purchase.

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Old 06-13-2011, 11:32 AM
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here are the ones i was looking at:
1995 Jeep Wrangler Rio Grande (REDUCED PRICE!)
1994 Jeep Wrangler Sahara - Cars For Sale Girard , OH
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/2432554637.html
1995 Jeep Wrangler

when you say tubes, are you talking about the roll bars? or is there another part of the vehicle that has a tendency to rust?

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here are the ones i was looking at:
1995 Jeep Wrangler Rio Grande (REDUCED PRICE!)
1994 Jeep Wrangler Sahara - Cars For Sale Girard , OH
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/2432554637.html
1995 Jeep Wrangler

when you say tubes, are you talking about the roll bars? or is there another part of the vehicle that has a tendency to rust?

thanks!
I would go for the 94 Sahara, looks like the most bag for the buck IMO, pending rust. Looks like I need to buy my next Jeep up your way, all of those prices are 1/2 to 2/3 what they would be here!
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when you say tubes, are you talking about the roll bars? or is there another part of the vehicle that has a tendency to rust?

thanks!
he meant the body tubs. they tend to rust out a lot. also check the frame.

out of the 4 i would also go with the sahara depending on rust. but i would continue to look for a stock one.

post up what your looking for out of your jeep, it will hepus make recommendations.
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I second the 4.0 option!! Buy the 6 cylinder, you won't regret it.
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thanks for the all the info. it sounds like we have a winner!

as to the question posed by paulrevere1991, i guess i am looking for both form and function, which i guess we all are, it's just a matter to what extent. i live in south western pa and we are probably moving to north east ohio in the near future. in both areas 4wd is a godsend. currently, my commuter gets great gas mileage but bites in the winter. it would be nice to have something that could get me out of some tight spots when the white stuff starts to fall. plus it would nice to be able to eventually pull some people out of the crud.

i think what i would like to do is (and this is all based on looks more than function at this point): new wide tires, new dash with different gauges, new front bumper with additional light/winch capability.

i'm sure i'll come up with a million different things once i get my hands on it, but that's what strikes me initially.

a question about the rust...is it a deal breaker if there's rust on the body anywhere? how tough is the rust issue to solve?

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i guess it was sold...

back on the hunt!
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frame rust should be a deal breaker, otherwise just remember that you have to fix it, so if your ok with some rust its up to you.
if your looking for something with wider tires and a winch you might want to find something pre-made, but ask what kind of lift it is, many people make there own custom lift kits that can be spotty.
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how would you gso about fixing the rust issue? what happens if it's left unresolved? are there ways of preventing it...other than moving south?

what do you mean by premade? are you referring to the tires and winch? or are you referring to the fact that if i want those things the vehicle should be lifted as well?
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depending on the severity, i would replace the affected panels or if less severe have a body shop cut out the affected areas and replace. if left alone it will continue to rot.
as for preventing it undercoating.

if you just want slightly bigger tires you don't need a lift but it depends on what you want, but try and find one with what you want if you don't plan on building your own jeep and stuf and are only planning on light duty stuff
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1995 jeep wrangler

this one just dropped to $2200,

here are some additional pictures:




am i just being impatient?
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I say hold out for a better one. I waited about 6 months before pulling the trigger but that was also because i didn't have the necessary funds but i found the perfect wrangler when i was ready. This one looks kinda beat up it's the 4 cylinder which you may not like, some like it but lots of people think they are very underpowered and have trouble with hills and what not. Also a thing that i made sure of was full doors, it can get kinda loud with a soft top and half doors make it louder. Plus it's annoying to zip down the window. one last thing is you said that you would be living in an area with snow, a hard top may be more practical for you. The soft top may have some condensation on the inside after a night of snow or if it's old it may even leak. also a soft top is cheaper to buy afermarket than a hard top. just some thoughts...
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i believe it was yoda who said, 'I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience.'
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Rust, rust, rust

I see some terrible Rust in the tub on the blue one. Crawl under it and check the frame, especially any mount, like spring and shackle mount, body mount, bump stop mounts, transmission and motor mount. I've seen some real ugly frame issues from rust on this forum and people asking how to fix it. It would be cheaper for you to find one from the southwest and have it shipped, than fix some rusted issues.
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Be sure to check the rear of the frame on the side that faces the gas tank. It can be a little tough to see so feel around for holes. I missed that spot when I bought mine and now I have someone helping me cut the rot out and weld in new metal. Turned out there were holes in each side.

Repairing rust damage is doable if you can weld or want to learn or have someone who will help you. If not don't buy anything like the blue Jeep you posted. The passenger side looks really bad. The outside skin needs to be replaced, there's a support piece behind it that's probably rotted out, and I bet the floor pan is on its way out too.
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x2 on fining one with a hardtop from the factory, its much easier to switch to a soft top from a hard top than the other way around. but this should not be a deal breaker.

patience is an important key, find one thats in good mechanical condition/no rust and compromise on other things, it will be well worth it in the end.
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sitting and waiting.

thanks for the info, everyone!
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so i've been doing a bit more research and hunting and i found this place north of atlanta that seems to have a fairly wide selection of early wrangler models. the nice thing is that - at least from the pictures - they all appear to be relatively rust free. i think that's a safe assumption as well given that the majority of vehicles they sell spend a lot, if not all, of their time in the south. it would seem to me to be a big plus, given the emphasis everyone has placed on the rust issue.

here is the link to one of the one's i am looking into:
1989 Used Jeep Wrangler at The Preowned Store, GA, IID 7183867

let's assume this is a good jeep, or some of the others on the site are quality purchases. the next question i have is price. obviously, price is going to vary from region to region. and given that atlanta is a low snow, no salt region, the jeeps there are going to be in better shape. are the prices listed for the vehicles on this site reasonable? how much wiggle room should i anticipate from a dealer on a used jeep?

thanks.

also, who is up for a road trip
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I have several friends that have had great experiences with this place. They will swap wheels if u don't like the ones on it usually and are rock solid if u find issues within reason. They are a few miles from my work and have a great selection of jeeps
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here are two others closer to home:
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the first one seems a bit overpriced given all the others that i've seen around. this goes back to my earlier question. how reasonably priced are these? is 7k realistic for either? maybe the second one given the "additions".

btw, i did have to lol at the batmobile. i <3 batman, but i don't know that i could get it, unless i also found a costume shop and wore a batsuit while driving. and yes, i would post pictures of that!
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that place in atlanta looks great, lots of good looking jeeps.

the one you posted has a pretty big shackle on it so might want to stay away.
this one looked good though:
1987 Used Jeep Wrangler Lifted at The Preowned Store, GA, IID 6542465
I would start at 5500 and see what they say.

as far as price, all the ones you posted are at dealers, so they have had stuff done to them(basic cleaning/necessary repairs) to sell them again. they also have to make a profit. so 7 grand for a dealer yj in not bad, but in real terms its not worth that.
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Can you explain what you mean by shackle? What about the other two in PA?
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the shackle on the leaf springs in the front, you can see them sticking down behind the front bumper, its a cheap way to lift the jeep, its not necessarily bad thing, but it puts some excess stress on the suspension.

the other two,

the first one is getting rust you can see it in a pic, also the tailgate hinges have some rust.

the second has the advantage of being a 4.0 fuel injected over the 4.2 carb, and from the pics looks alright, i would check behind that diamond plate for rust though, otherwise it okay, if a little odd
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Any reason you want a yj? why not a tj?
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Bought my first Wrangler in March, and have learned a few things. Test drive it around town and on the highway. Listen for any squealing belts. Full doors and a hard top are nicer. Be patient, eventually you'll know exactly what you want, and you'll find a deal that matches. Also, most people will accept an offer of a little less than what they're asking, especially if you're paying in cash.

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I was about to post the same question

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Go away TJ owners. You and your spinny round suspension things. And your D44 axles. Real Jeepers like the Square headlights.

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