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Old 01-02-2019, 09:36 PM
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Camping with family?

Hi folks....


After many years our family has literally "outgrown" our '93 YJ.


We have tried for a bit to "manage" the gear and what we want our of our baby but it is time to think about another vehicle.


The tough thing about it is I LOVE the YJ for what it does...getting us out to Moab, Black Bear Pass, just about all of the Colorado trails we have conquered but it is simply not comfortable with my wife and two dogs...and now maybe "someone on the way".


Please help me figure out some way to keep this in the stable....we are now looking at a Taco or the new Ford Ranger.....and if we go that route....the "Evil Twin" will most likely have to leave the house.


PLEASE help me keep it! But at this point in time I am at my wits end with work and attempting to get something a bit more practical in the house with another addition to the family.


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First off congrats for the maybe "someone on the way". If you are looking into a new pickup why not look into one of the specialty built camping pull behind trailers. I've read that they are rather capable in hauling gear and trailing behind a Jeep. Get one that has the pop-up tent option and ample storage space and you can leave room in the Jeep for you and your family.

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I would not buy any new “relaunch” vehicle, ever. I am a Ford guy but the SOHC engine in the Ranger was problematic.

You will regret selling the YJ, let’s just get that out there.

But if it is to better the life of your child? I am 100% behind ya. You never know, maybe the buyer is at the age like me, past the kids and wants something to take his grandkids out to the woods in.

Or maybe they will part it out or roll it the first day!

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Get an old suburban and a trailer or towbar...
Tow the jeep to the campground
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sounds like you need a 4runner
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Get an old suburban and a trailer or towbar...
Tow the jeep to the campground

Nope....been done with the "trailering" thing.....while it worked years ago for several MOAB trips it isn't happening for us as we have other vehicles in the garage. However great suggestion!



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First off congrats for the maybe "someone on the way". If you are looking into a new pickup why not look into one of the specialty built camping pull behind trailers. I've read that they are rather capable in hauling gear and trailing behind a Jeep. Get one that has the pop-up tent option and ample storage space and you can leave room in the Jeep for you and your family.

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Rich....not an option....I have attempted hauling a fully built trailer but storage was a huge issue. Not that I am opposed to it but not for us.




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I would not buy any new “relaunch” vehicle, ever. I am a Ford guy but the SOHC engine in the Ranger was problematic.

You will regret selling the YJ, let’s just get that out there.

But if it is to better the life of your child? I am 100% behind ya. You never know, maybe the buyer is at the age like me, past the kids and wants something to take his grandkids out to the woods in.

Or maybe they will part it out or roll it the first day!

Keep the jeep man.

YES 100% but to be honest the reason we haven't taken out the Jeep is that my wife WONT do it. Period dot. With the sways off all the time she is very hesitant to drive it at all unless I am "incapacitated" . She can hook them up but why should she.



Could I hook the sways back up....yes.....do I want to...NO.....the bigger issue is that when we go on a fly fishing trip or camping. I do ALL the work and drive.


The other main issue is storage/capacity....it is a struggle for us to put two dogs in the vehicle and do more than a few day camping/fishing/hunting trip.



Dont get me wrong but to travel up to Montana or Idaho and points beyond the YJ is simply not the vehicle for us.






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sounds like you need a 4runner

Runner is out of the question. We already have a suitable vehicle for that.



So what we would like is a small truck.



Fits our needs.


Thoughts?
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Get the tacoma over the new Ranger. I wouldn’t trust the Ranger. I just sold a Ranger XLT. Great truck, no problems in the years I had it, but is was the 4.0 OHV, not the SOHC.

Sidenote: I am currently outfitting my yj for short term camping right now.
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In all honesty it sounds like you are on the wrong forum....

You have your mind made up to ditch the jeep and this is a jeep forum....
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Yup Jon.....good point.


However, until the Ranger hits the dealer we are holding off.



This is the key question...how will it stand up for what we need it for.



First off, the engine......it has been tested but not in the configuration folks have here in the states.


Having lived overseas for years, albeit without the engine on the "new" ranger....I am definitely NOT opposed to the Turbo thoughts here in the states.


However, it seems to be really nice based solely on the vids and friends experiences...


The Tacoma is a GREAT truck and was our first choice but when we drove the 2019 this past month THREE things hit us over the head...


1. Getting in I bumped my head and on the drive I felt a bit "cramped" inside and so did my wife



2. Highway acceleration was "strange" ..... granted the ones we tested were autos (btw that is a big issue with wife/kiddos)....just seemed like it was "odd" figuring out what gear to get in if that makes sense.


3. First world issue.....but important....zero compatibility with her phone or mine....you would think that in 2019 it would have a bit more compatibility.


Lastly....and this is MY opinion on it....why the hell does the seat NOT have adjustments for height????? Kind of a deal breaker here as both of us need to drive it when we need it.


Just my thoughts after a couple test drives.


Now with that being said...Tacomas are on the road all the time and I love em.....but will hold off til the Ranger gets to the dealer. Drove a several Colorados and tbh they were less than appealing to both of us.
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Sorry that life changes but would love opinions...that's why I am asking

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In all honesty it sounds like you are on the wrong forum....

You have your mind made up to ditch the jeep and this is a jeep forum....



NO.....do not want to "ditch" the YJ at all....hence my posts here


I would simply like opinions on how to keep the expanding family happy and either make the YJ work or find another vehicle.


If there was a way to keep the Jeep I would....help me out here.



But family life changes. Things happen. So why not ask?


Ohhhh and btw I KNOW this is a JEEP forum. This is why I asked here from the community.
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I just got home from camping along a river I normally fish. I went alone, but wanted to take my float tube, waders, boots etc, plus all my fishing gear, and the tent, three sleeping bags (it was cold enough that the flowing river actually froze over last night!), cooking gear, water and firewood.
For just one guy, my YJ just wasn't gonna cut it, so I took my Ford PU. There are times when the jeep just don't cut it.
Admittedly though, the float tube could have been left out of the equation, as with the fly fishing gear, but even then, I don't think the jeep could have done it.
I do think too that a trailer is a very viable option. I have one, but my son borrowed it about 12 years ago and I haven't seen it since.
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Yeah, this is a Jeep forum, with a bias towards keeping the Jeep. But sometimes if it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t.
You could always get a TJ, JK, JKU if you like the Jeep appeal. Having a Garvin roof rack will give you more storage, and a 4 door with a rear will give you more seating and dog space.
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I just got home from camping along a river I normally fish. I went alone, but wanted to take my float tube, waders, boots etc, plus all my fishing gear, and the tent, three sleeping bags (it was cold enough that the flowing river actually froze over last night!), cooking gear, water and firewood.
For just one guy, my YJ just wasn't gonna cut it, so I took my Ford PU. There are times when the jeep just don't cut it.
Admittedly though, the float tube could have been left out of the equation, as with the fly fishing gear, but even then, I don't think the jeep could have done it.
I do think too that a trailer is a very viable option. I have one, but my son borrowed it about 12 years ago and I haven't seen it since.



My point EXACTLY!


I fly fish a ton....the YJ does really well for that.


At times it is really a pain....and I mean that in a good way!


It is not what we need now. Put two 50lb+ dogs in the back. I removed the seat and have a setup in the back that makes the best of the space.


Then try and either strap something to the top ( tried it never succeeded ) or put a cargo thing into the receiver hitch....works well but getting where we want to go it is a royal PITA to remove and replace.


My '93 YJ is a TANK! It is literally indestructible in my mind and has served me well on EVERY trip! Im the guy that carries spare drive shafts, u-joints, belts, etc....and I have only had to replace one u-joint on my own YJ (after towing an F150 our on Poughkeepsie Gulch)



But I know its limitations, and I realize that with a growing family that would love to actually drive more than 200 or 300 miles to get somewhere...it wont be comfortable or practical.


Needs/Wants change over time.


An aside, taking a trailer is NOT an option for us. The places we go simply would be a royal PITA to detach/reattach a trailer. Could we do it ...Yes...do I want to HELL NO.


Just a thought....
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Points that seem to seal the deal:

Wife won't ride in it or drive it
Not willing to hook up sway bar but not happy w disco'd handling
Need more space for people and gear but not willing to tow a trailer or tow the jeep....

Not able/willing to add a vehicle without deleting this one.....

If I have misunderstood please clarify.... if you seek to keep the jeep we'd all love to help but you'll have to compromise somewhere.... Help us help you....
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Gotta sent you a PM...it would probably explain my situation.


The EVIL TWIN is my baby but I have others in the "stable" and with kid/s on the way potentially, I simply have to cut one thing out.


If I had a garage that could house every vehicle I would but not happening and we are NOT moving.


So the Practical thing is to cut one vehicle out.



That would be my '93 YJ......and if my wife is happy (she is actually unhappy with it) it seems like the YJ needs to go.


We haven't made a decision yet....will take a few months or so but there is NO WAY I am taking a "family" on a week long fly fishing trip in the back country in our YJ....it simply won't work for us.


Hope that makes sense.
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Yup Jon.....good point.


However, until the Ranger hits the dealer we are holding off.



This is the key question...how will it stand up for what we need it for.



First off, the engine......it has been tested but not in the configuration folks have here in the states.


Having lived overseas for years, albeit without the engine on the "new" ranger....I am definitely NOT opposed to the Turbo thoughts here in the states.


However, it seems to be really nice based solely on the vids and friends experiences...


The Tacoma is a GREAT truck and was our first choice but when we drove the 2019 this past month THREE things hit us over the head...


1. Getting in I bumped my head and on the drive I felt a bit "cramped" inside and so did my wife



2. Highway acceleration was "strange" ..... granted the ones we tested were autos (btw that is a big issue with wife/kiddos)....just seemed like it was "odd" figuring out what gear to get in if that makes sense.


3. First world issue.....but important....zero compatibility with her phone or mine....you would think that in 2019 it would have a bit more compatibility.


Lastly....and this is MY opinion on it....why the hell does the seat NOT have adjustments for height????? Kind of a deal breaker here as both of us need to drive it when we need it.


Just my thoughts after a couple test drives.


Now with that being said...Tacomas are on the road all the time and I love em.....but will hold off til the Ranger gets to the dealer. Drove a several Colorados and tbh they were less than appealing to both of us.
I would not recommend the Tacoma. People that love them really love them, but based on your test drive, you won't really love it. I bought one a few months ago and the issues you mentioned aren't ones you just get used to. It grates my nerves every day I drive it and I can't wait to get back in a Jeep. Full size Chevrolets about the same price as Tacoma. Have you checked those out?
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Simply pathetic! Grow a set! It's the YJ or the WIFE, choose!! Otherwise, a YJ is not a "family friendly" vehicle. It's for rugged individual use and maybe a partner, like a German Shepard or something. Quit whining and figure it out dude!
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We haven't made a decision yet....will take a few months or so but there is NO WAY I am taking a "family" on a week long fly fishing trip in the back country in our YJ....it simply won't work for us.

Hope that makes sense.

How many times a year do you go on a week long fly fishing trip? Rent a Tahoe for the trip and be done with it.
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^^^^agreed.

The “wife disapproves” mentality screams Prius.
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Yeah, this is a Jeep forum, with a bias towards keeping the Jeep. But sometimes if it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t.
You could always get a TJ, JK, JKU if you like the Jeep appeal. Having a Garvin roof rack will give you more storage, and a 4 door with a rear will give you more seating and dog space.
Got to thinking about this whole thing. Personally speaking (my likes and dislikes only) I can't imagine ever owning a JK or JKU. Just don't like them. What I can see me doing, were I ever in the position of wanting to stay with Jeep and hauling a family around the woods, is an older square body Wagoneer. For me, a very well cared for and clean old Wagoneer is aesthetically pleasing. I can picture having one with just a bit of a lift (not so tall that you can't load a baby seat), with bigger tires, maybe an older Dodge 440 lean burn V8 - well I digress, but you can even stay with square (Oh sorry, "rectangular") headlights.
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Well Mike, Let's face it. Things change.

I never thought I'd ever not own a motorcycle. My wife and I toured the country extensively on our motorcycles. Rain, sun, and on occasion even in the snow. We sold our motorcycles in 2015 (I was 72 at the time) and, yes, sometimes I wish we still had them, but life goes on.

My take on this is that your head has made the decision to get rid of the YJ in favor of something more family oriented, but your heart hasn't got on board yet.
If the wife wants something different, you're going to get something different (not practical to get rid of a wife...way too expensive and besides she'd get the Jeep).

I've had Rangers, Toyota trucks and almost bought a new FJ Cruiser. What works for us is now we have Mrs. Luckys SUV, my YJ and a F-150 for longer trips (time and miles) into the wild. The YJ will pull the camper on the flat, but needs a brake controller to make it safe. The F-150 pulls the camper like it isn't there.

In order for us to help you help yourself, please tell us what other vehicles you have besides the YJ.

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Don't know if this helps or not, but I've built my wife a few Jeeps that she loves and will drive anywhere. Because of that she'll also drive my 4 door Jeep anywhere. I can fit all our gear, and dog, and have room to sleep inside the Jeep or tent camp.

If I want Jeeping to be "our" hobby then I have to cater to her needs as well as my own.

So maybe the solution is building a Jeep that drives great when the wife wants to drive it, and can still off road when you need it to....???...???? 2 door or 4 door with more room.

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Had to re read this twice before I asked why the JKU or even an unlimited is not an option? I had a 2008 JKU that i sold with over 130k on it and with no real problems to speak of. The only problem i see is that they are apparently made of gold according to prices of their sellers... THey have room to haul, you can tow with them, nice step up from the YJ for your wife to drive and you may come to appreciate it! I have just bought an 88 yj but find myself still wanting the space of the JKU
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Can't believe no one mentioned the new jeep pickup coming out 2019.Best of both worlds .Dogs my have to ride in the bed with a pickup cap on it though.Don't know if that would work but it would be the same with the Ranger pickup.Back seat in a mid size pickup is small for two 50 pound dog's.I got a 2015 GMC canyon that's great but was tough putting my 75 lb standard poodle in the back seat. Price is too high for the Jeep in my opinion but anything new is gonna be.I got a 1990 YJ that I would never sell but got the space for it and the wife loves it. She takes if fly fishing as it will go anywhere.Keep it at my vacation home in Colorado and its lots of fun. Got more money in it than it's worth but that's a Jeep thing right.
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camping with family?

find a Willys wagon in halfway decent shape. pull the body from the frame. fix/repair the body, sell what you can from the frame and drive train.
pull the body off the YJ. sell what you can salvage. extend the frame to fit the Willys. put it all back together. add any improvements you want, AC, nice seats, music, nav system, whatever you (or wife) want.
you'll get to keep yer YJ. it'll just look different and have more room.
this swap has been done before and has been documented by one of the 4wd magazines. JP, I think.
should be able to be done for much less than the cost of something like the new Jeep pick up.
IMHO, a lot cooler too!

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