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OKay so this is my new to me jeep. Its a 93 got it a month ago and just finished lift kit and paint job along with some other things. Anyway, decided to take it 100 miles each way up to maine for vacation. Wasnt really ready for the haul but took it anyway. On the way home i felt 2nd gear move back about 5 inches and i knew immediately what it was. Pulled over and this is what i found. I knew there was rust issues here and the crossmember was already loose before i left. I took it to a local fabrication and welding shop to get job appraised weeks ago before going to maine. They said 300-450 to unbolt crossmember, bend some new channels with drilled holes and then welded nuts on the backside that will go up into frame, fully mig welded to frame and then they will add the tcase drop ( i never installed it) will go in place and then they will bolt in the crossmember. Do you guys think thats a good price for the repair?
Anyway Due to my procrastination..... Here are the pics. Also since the tranny almost basically is falling out of jeep, what else could i have broke? I got it towed home after the 3 drivers side bolts of crossmember came undone. While on the flatbed, the passenger side decided to drop and now its all just hanging. Its sitting in my driveway now and i threw a jack under tranny to relieve some strain. I was lucky not to have that crossmember go flying out the back of the flatbed. Im so dumb for bringing it up there with this issue but whatever.. I had fun with it at the [IMG]file:///C:/Users/noel/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png[/IMG]beach

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fan may have hit the radiator.
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Seeing how the parts are falling off the Jeep, you have some major things to concider.

1) Is the frame fixable?
2) If you fix the frame, what will fall off next?
3) Will you need to replace the frame?
4) Would it be cheaper/better/safer to just get another Jeep in better shape.
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Thats the worst part of the frame. I knew I was gonna have to do this from day one so its not like it was a big surpise. I have countless hours into this jeep already with lift kit, body work, paint, etc. And all yjs in new England have rust issues. I paid a grand for this jeep and so far have put Another 1200 into it. (new carpet, fender flares, lift kit, paint, steering stabilizer, power steering lines, brake lines, and other stuff I'm forgetting....
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I had a similar rust issue and I took it to a local body shop here in pa where I needed to replace the crossmember plate and decided to change out the transmission mount and also got those sections of the frame replaced for $500 so for that repair as you are describing would be a fair price but could cost more due to getting more and more parts but those bolts that hold up the plate are like $8 a piece at the dealer and can only be obtained by the dealer or a junkyard due to the style
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Ouch...

Im too cheap, and have the skill set to rebuild that kind of thing, so yeah, thats too much to pay.

But if you dont have the tools and/or skills, that probably isnt too bad.

Is it possible to get a replacement skid plate at a junk yard?

Yeah, you probably have a few other issues after that, look at your motor mounts, radiator, anything near the firewall(squashed wiring and the like), radiator... You may luck out and its all minimal, but still something to look over real well. Especially now while its in its cocked position and you can see the stuff that got hit easier.
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Yeah man, as bad and scary as that may look, you probably didn't do too much serious damage besides the skid plate needing to be fixed. The first time I pulled my transmission I had a hell of a time getting the transmission to separate from the engine and the TC and transmission were pretty close to the ground without doing damage to anything else. Although I have a 2.5 so there is more room in there. If you cant do it yourself and someone will fix your frame correctly for 500 that is worth it. Although, getting a jeep that is already torn apart with a good frame might be a better idea. Then you can piece together the best parts of both and sell off the extra parts to help get back some of the cash it costs you.
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I love working on my cars and I Do all my work myself and I could do it if I had a better welder. This will be the first time ever having someone else wrench on one of my cars... Gonna be kinda nerve-racking, but this shop is the best around for fabrication and welding. As far as the bolts go, I have them already because they came with the tranny drop with my rc lift. I'm debating have them weld on the skid plate to reinforce it or go get one in better shape from a junkyard...
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I say get one from the junk yard.
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Fan and radiator are fine, motor mounts look the same, I'm thinkin I lucked out and just need repaired what I was gonna repair anyway. How much would a
Clean completed rust free frame go for usually?
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I had a similar rust issue and I took it to a local body shop here in pa where I needed to replace the crossmember plate and decided to change out the transmission mount and also got those sections of the frame replaced for $500 so for that repair as you are describing would be a fair price but could cost more due to getting more and more parts but those bolts that hold up the plate are like $8 a piece at the dealer and can only be obtained by the dealer or a junkyard due to the style
What's the transmission mount? Is there anything else holding up the tranny or Tcase other than the crossmember?
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Do you need a frame?
No Just thinkin about doing a complete frame off build in the future and wondering how much just a frame goes for that's rust free. I dont have plans of doing that with this particular jeep I have now.
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wish i could even find one in a junk yard down here. never see them. good luck putting it all back together.
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What's the transmission mount? Is there anything else holding up the tranny or Tcase other than the crossmember?
Nope. That's all that hold them up.
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Don't hold me to it, but I think I saw one in Tulsa on Craigslist for 300.00.
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or if you have room in the garage you could always look for a donor and then seell off aall the extra parts and rec oup some of the losses. I would look into it parting out Jeeps is a profitable business out here. None in the junk yards. Good luck
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I'm not sWapping out frames in this Jeep. Just gonna get the welding done to frame rails at crossmember sections. I think my next jeep I will head south to look for a rust free one
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I know it is a long way off but just FYI check this out....

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What's the transmission mount? Is there anything else holding up the tranny or Tcase other than the crossmember?
The transmission mounts sits in between the tranny and the crossmember plate there are also some bushings that go along with the tranny stabilizing stud but for the most part the tranny mount and the crossmember plate hold the tranny up as I believe. Also this would be a good time to check out all of your body mounts as well. But any ways when I replaced my tranny mount I got a polyurethane piece for $25 at advance auto parts for longer lasting and more weather resistant than the oem piece. Also check junk yards for that crossmember plate they normally go for $20 if you can find one that isn't shot but that is tough to do even for me in pa
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Morris 4x4 has new skid plate for $249 and the bolts for $5.99 a piece. beats having somebody make it from scratch if you can't get in a Junkyard.

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Ok need some help. Got the frame repair done and crossmember put back in with the transfer case
Drop. This is the first time the Tcase drop was put in. I drove it home from the welders and there were
Lots of vibrations and rode real rough. It was especialy bad when driving in neutral or when i had it in gear just cruising without giving it any gas... What do those signs usually mean is wrong? Next I hear banging and I'm like oh shit, now what. Get out and the driveshaft is hangin but this time at the rear dif yoke. So I'm wOndering do you think the ujoint went bad? And was it from the new Tcase drop and change of pinion angle or from the tow ride home when it was loose from tranny and bouncing around? Or any other reasons? Also to mention, the shop said the tranny to crossmember mount was gone and the torque bushing...? I think he called it. Could these have been why the driveshaft came undone at the rear yoke? So this means I need a new u joint right? No idea how to replace that if someone could help me.
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Ok need some help. Got the frame repair done and crossmember put back in with the transfer case
Drop. This is the first time the Tcase drop was put in. I drove it home from the welders and there were
Lots of vibrations and rode real rough. It was especialy bad when driving in neutral or when i had it in gear just cruising without giving it any gas... What do those signs usually mean is wrong? Next I hear banging and I'm like oh shit, now what. Get out and the driveshaft is hangin but this time at the rear dif yoke. So I'm wOndering do you think the ujoint went bad? And was it from the new Tcase drop and change of pinion angle or from the tow ride home when it was loose from tranny and bouncing around? Or any other reasons? Also to mention, the shop said the tranny to crossmember mount was gone and the torque bushing...? I think he called it. Could these have been why the driveshaft came undone at the rear yoke? So this means I need a new u joint right? No idea how to replace that if someone could help me.
Sounds to me like your u-joint wend bad and came apart, probably got screwed up when you dropped your tcase and cross member on the street....

I would replace ALL your u-joints and try again.
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Okay so just u joint your thinking and hopefully not the yoke? I'll try and take some pics later today to help see what's going on. How do I go about installing the new u joints, this will be my first time. Anyone know the right part number for that joint as well? Its a 93 4.0 5 speed
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depending on how bad the rust is over all on the frame, would it be easier for you to buy a new frame to put in or replace the rust section by section?
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Just Google u-joint replacement on YouTube. There are plenty of videos on how to change u-joints and just about anything else you need instruction on. I've heard on this forum of people getting the incorrect u-joint at parts stores, but I went to O'Reilly Auto and just bought u-joints (greasable) for a '93 Wrangler and got the right ones. I'm assuming the yolk was still on the diff?
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Okay cool, and yes Yolk is still on the diff
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Okay cool, and yes Yolk is still on the diff
Good, the yolk is bolted to the pinion gear with that BIG nut in the center......, if it had come off there would be major issues.

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