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Old 12-04-2010, 08:32 PM
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often during the rain with the super swampers i will put it into 4H just so i dont slide, anyway, the past few days offroading i've noticed that its starting to have trouble engaging into locking the 4H, i felt it grind a few times attempting to put it in, and it still fails. During this time i did check the vaccum lines and make sure they were all connected but the failure caused me to get into an accident and roll. the only damage i did was snap the shock mount and snap my sway bar but i am in need of advice why this 4x4 is failing, any advice would be appreciated.
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The 4wd is probably failing because you were using 4wd on the street. (just for the record I'm not being mean just tying to help ) 4wd should never be used on the road unless its snowing. Using it, even in wet rainy conditions, puts a lot of stress on the whole drive train. If you slide around in the rain (I understand that super swampers aren't even close to a good street tire) then you should slow down. as for the mechanical failure of the system you'll have to explain the problem more.

If you are idling still can you shift it? if it doesn't grind then try moving forward and then backward a small distance, it "should" properly lock into place

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My advice is to slow down. Glad you weren't hurt
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often during the rain with the super swampers i will put it into 4H just so i dont slide, anyway, the past few days offroading i've noticed that its starting to have trouble engaging into locking the 4H, i felt it grind a few times attempting to put it in, and it still fails. During this time i did check the vaccum lines and make sure they were all connected but the failure caused me to get into an accident and roll. the only damage i did was snap the shock mount and snap my sway bar but i am in need of advice why this 4x4 is failing, any advice would be appreciated.
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This is a BS post. If not having 4wd caused you to roll you were most likely driving too fast for conditions. Accidents don't happen because the 4wd does not work. 4wd helps you to get going and that is it. Common sense takes over after you are rolling.
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often during the rain with the super swampers i will put it into 4H just so i dont slide, anyway, the past few days offroading i've noticed that its starting to have trouble engaging into locking the 4H, i felt it grind a few times attempting to put it in, and it still fails. During this time i did check the vaccum lines and make sure they were all connected but the failure caused me to get into an accident and roll. the only damage i did was snap the shock mount and snap my sway bar but i am in need of advice why this 4x4 is failing, any advice would be appreciated.
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how exactly did you get into an accident with a 4x4 failure? You must have been flying
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This is a BS post. If not having 4wd caused you to roll you were most likely driving too fast for conditions. Accidents don't happen because the 4wd does not work. 4wd helps you to get going and that is it. Common sense takes over after you are rolling.
We should just be happy that he's alright, not berate him.

Yes, he possible could have been driving fast, but you don't know that. No one knows that except for him. Once you start modding jeeps, they start to drive in different ways. My jeep doesn't drive like it did a year ago, or even a couple months ago for that matter.

I'm not really sure how 4wd could cause an accident, but maybe you can shed some light on what you were feeling in your jeep at the time of the accident? Are you running lockers?
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We should just be happy that he's alright, not berate him.

Yes, he possible could have been driving fast, but you don't know that. No one knows that except for him. Once you start modding jeeps, they start to drive in different ways. My jeep doesn't drive like it did a year ago, or even a couple months ago for that matter.

I'm not really sure how 4wd could cause an accident, but maybe you can shed some light on what you were feeling in your jeep at the time of the accident? Are you running lockers?
anyway, the past few days offroading i've noticed that its starting to have trouble engaging into locking the 4H, i felt it grind a few times attempting to put it in, and it still fails. During this time i did check the vaccum lines and make sure they were all connected but the failure caused me to get into an accident and roll.


He is blatantly blaming the 4wd failure for causing and accident.... 4wd does not cause accidents. lack of experience/judgement does.
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Not looking to argue with anyone, or blame anyone for everything. The purpose of this technical forum is to help people out. That's all I'm here to do. I could tell a lot of people that they lack common sense, but we are here to help....not attack people.
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anyway, the past few days offroading i've noticed that its starting to have trouble engaging into locking the 4H, i felt it grind a few times attempting to put it in, and it still fails. During this time i did check the vaccum lines and make sure they were all connected but the failure caused me to get into an accident and roll.


He is blatantly blaming the 4wd failure for causing and accident.... 4wd does not cause accidents. lack of experience/judgement does.
I was doing about 20 around a 15 bend, and it didnt take it, it just slid and it refused to even hug the road, its lifted 4 inches with the tires and a 2 inch shackle lift, its been having a lot of trouble latley, i have a grand cherokee limited an 2005 thats lifted with 4 wheel all the time and i take it with no problem, i understand that it shouldnt prevent the accidents but i relied on it to keep it locked and it never locked in, my light doesnt come on anymore either, the thing is with the tires is thier NOT the best for the road but i do mud constently, ever since the jeep got hydro locked the 4x4 has been hesitiant on working, it took a few miles sometimes for it to kick in than it would be fine but now its nothing it wont even engage when the lever is pulled and i dont know what could be causing it, i replaced all the vaccum lines and changed the diff oil, but im sure mudding has alot of impact on the jeep.
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I was doing about 20 around a 15 bend, and it didnt take it, it just slid and it refused to even hug the road, its lifted 4 inches with the tires and a 2 inch shackle lift, its been having a lot of trouble latley, i have a grand cherokee limited an 2005 thats lifted with 4 wheel all the time and i take it with no problem, i understand that it shouldnt prevent the accidents but i relied on it to keep it locked and it never locked in, my light doesnt come on anymore either, the thing is with the tires is thier NOT the best for the road but i do mud constently, ever since the jeep got hydro locked the 4x4 has been hesitiant on working, it took a few miles sometimes for it to kick in than it would be fine but now its nothing it wont even engage when the lever is pulled and i dont know what could be causing it, i replaced all the vaccum lines and changed the diff oil, but im sure mudding has alot of impact on the jeep.
also the engine it in it, is a 1996 TJ 4.0L so its tbi no longer with the carb which it should of had being an 89 but this work was all done before i recieved the jeep from the previous owner
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Is your steering screwy on the road normally? Wrote that guide a day ago when I was having trouble with my steering.
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Okay... I would say ditch the vacuum system.. use a bolt to pin the shift fork in place or even some washers. That way you don't have to worry about that not working for you. OR replace it with a 1pc axle from a xj/tj. As for swampers in rain.. as you know they suck. And if it does not work after that.. start looking at the t-case as the problem.
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the steering has been a little flaky latley, im just trying to see if someone knows though why my 4x4 refuses to lock the front at all, and ill definitly tighten up the steering
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Id say it still has to do with the vacuum some how. I did away with all my vac lines and just added a spring to keep the front engaged but its still not in 4wd until i shift it in
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how would i go about installing the spring or the washers ?
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how would i go about installing the spring or the washers ?
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it wont do any damage to the drive terrain being that its locked all the time ?
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it wont do any damage to the drive terrain being that its locked all the time ?
nope. It will not be locked in until you put the t-case in 4wd so to speak.. just like a TJ.
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Nope it doesnt have any neg affect on it and its safe. Follow that link its pretty easy to do should take less then 20 mins and less then $2

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