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Old 07-22-2010, 04:32 PM
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Thumbs down FRAM Oil Filter Warning!

A week after changing my oil and putting a Fram oil filter on my Wrangler I noticed idle oil psi dropped to 5, going down the road only 20 psi! But when It was cold i got 40 psi no change with RPM then when I warmed up she dropped to the bottom, I changed my Fram to a Bosch today and now running 25 on idle and around 40 down the road. No sludge was even visible on the filter. All I can say is use any filter that IS NOT a Fram!

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only put a phram on a car that belongs to a person you dont like-they come apart!

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Old 07-22-2010, 07:11 PM   #3
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we use fram extra guard filters on all our vehicles. have since as long as ive ben alive, and never had an issue....
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Fram is cardboard.. take one apart.. Junk. Use Mopar or Wix.
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considering they have been working great for us for over 20 years and about 1 million miles over all the vehicles, i think ill stick with them till something goes wrong....
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Old 07-22-2010, 07:40 PM   #6
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Fram bashing gets spread across many forums and there are many threads across the web that link to some sites that indicate they did studies of filters. All I have to say is Fram is the No 1 selling filter. Where are all the failed and broken engines as a result of the milions of vehicles using Fram filters? In the law suite happy world we live in, why are there not litigations all over the place against Fram for causing engine failures?
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I am not real particular about filters, but I know that my Dad's shop put fram on hundreds of customer's cars for 42 years(until he retired) and never had a filter problem.

Be glad you noticed you had a problem and it was easily fixed.
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Here you guys go. This guy disassembles 10 different brands of oil filters and shows you what is inside each and gives some specs.

You might have to go to Youtube directly and watch all his videos.

YouTube - What's in an amsoil filter?
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Fram for 40 years never a problem.
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:22 PM   #10
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I used Fram for years without any issues but after reading so many negative things I've switched to K&N. Figured with that much smoke there must be fire.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:02 PM   #11
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Oil Filters

The ultimate oil filter on the market right now is Royal Purple.

But wait a second. If you change your filters after each 2000 - 3000 miles, like you should with heavy "Wheeling," the oil filter is only as good as the oil you're running though it.

If you're getting a "muddy" filter or oil drip within a 2000 mile oil change, then there's something wrong in the engine or with the oil you're using.

A FRAM Extra Guard Filter is good enough / or better if you're changing the oil regularly as recommended.

If you feel uncomfortable with this info, and want to go with the MOPAR OEM filter, guess who makes it - that's right.... FRAM.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:12 PM   #12
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i only run K&N oil filters and Royal Purple oil. Oil pressure is constant and never dips and i have over 100,000 miles on my jeep and it's a daily driver with occasional off-roading.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:53 PM   #13
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unholy piles of dog poo!!!!! stop buying K&N oil filters and just buy a mobil one filter its the same thing K&N just pays mobil one to put the K&N name on it and charges people their left testicle/ovary for it.

personally i dont like fram since they starve one of my cars upper half of oil, not very good for performance. in my jeep i use whatever is cheapest in the name brand department. i never use store brand filters.
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Fram works fine. Sure one is gonna fail when billions of them are being sold. But here's why I don't use them.

When I first chunked down a ton of dough for my Suburban, I always used the Mobil 1 filters. Ya they're expensive but I had just chunked down a hunk of dough. Anyway, every time I removed a Mobil 1 oil would pour out of it. This tells me that it has the check valve in it and holds oil in the filter and is supposed to be good for starting. The last filter I put on was a Fram (it's been 14 years now) and I just changed it yesterday. I drove the rig to have the tires R&B'ed, got home and drained the oil. When I removed the Fram it was empty. I guess this means no check valve.

No more Fram for me.
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unholy piles of dog poo!!!!! stop buying K&N oil filters and just buy a mobil one filter its the same thing K&N just pays mobil one to put the K&N name on it and charges people their left testicle/ovary for it.
arent they pretty much they same price? Ive seen in the auto store, maybe a dollar or so difference.
Anyway, Ive used purolator oil filters without any problems on my TJ. HAve yet to do a change on the JK yet.
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Just watched them youtube vids on filters. Looks like all are fine except the Fram, Bosch, and STP which seem to be junk. The funny thing is those are the 3 that you find in Walmart.

The thing I find funny about the Fram is that it does have an anti drain back valve. The guys said it sits in there loosely. And yesterday I just changed one and it was empty. That proves to me that the anti-drain back valve doesn't work. Never buying Fran again.

I'm going back to Mobil 1 or Wix. Gonna start finding the best internet prices right now.
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Just because Fram is the #1 filter does not mean it is the best. It most likely means it is the most economical, especially if it is sold at Walmart. I won't get into their supply chain and pricing of the items they sell as it is off topic, but cost is the #1 factor at Walmart. For most people I am sure Fram is just fine as it filters, but I believe there are better filters that are in the same price range which filter better and hold oil in the filter when you turn the vehicle off. I use Wix & Puralator as I do not trust Fram after the research I have done. Oh yea and if you buy them through amazon you can get them shipped for cheaper than the Fram filters at Walmart.
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:17 PM   #20
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I heaRD MOBILE ONE FILTER is the same as the Walmart generic filter who also makes the fram filter.
that is what one of the shop managers told me.
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Go watch the youtube vids and there's no way on earth that the Mobil 1 is the same as the Fram.

Plus, what is a Walmart generic? I've never seen one.
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Fram Update. Before declaring "no more Fram for me", I used two Fram Tough Guard filters on two vehicles two weeks ago.

One was my daughter's YJ that's been enough of a headache already. Well 350 miles later she drives to work and back and halfway back the vehicle dies and guess what? The rubber o-ring on the Fram TG came out and all the oil leaked out.

Towed it home, put on a Mobil 1 and refilled it and luckily it fired right up.

That leads to this question. Why did it fire up? I figured the motor was toast (2.5 liter). Is there some kind of low oil sensor shut off?
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Never heard of an gasket came out unless the filter was not tightened enough or maybe someone left the old filter gasket on the motor and put the new filter with gasket in it. I did that once many moons ago with a Fiat Spyder.
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Usually the gasket is real tight in the channel but not on this filter. It just falls out.

It was tight cuz I always finish off the full turn with the filter wrench and remember doing it with this one. I remember cuz I used my neighbor's wrench and it's a weird one.
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purolator pure one

I used Fram on my old s-10 for years never had a problem, but with all the bad publicity around the fram I wont trust the life of my Jeep with one....Purolator has some of the best filters for a good price. Spent the money on the Pure one with the first oil change, but will change to the classic next time to same some coin.
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Heck I will still get Fram oil Filters for all 10 of my vehicles. Never had a problem with Fram. I have been using them since 1970 and change oil every 3000 miles too.
Talking about oil..I use regular on Chev Impala, Merc couger, F100, Dodge Ram. Synthetic on Merc Capri turbo, Suzuki X-90. and Synthetic blend on my Jeep.
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I like the K&N filters because of the little nut on the end. The hassle that saves is worth a couple bucks when I'm laying on my back.

I'm not going to knock Fram, but you think maybe their MARKETING has anything to do with their status as #1? I mean how many other oil filter commercials do you see? I can think of Purolator and that's about it. The #1 selling whatever is not always the BEST. There are horror stories about all oil filters. Mechanical defect, installer error, abuse, whatever. Bottom line is if what you use works for you and has never given you any problems, might as well stick with it.
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Never heard of an gasket came out unless the filter was not tightened enough or maybe someone left the old filter gasket on the motor and put the new filter with gasket in it. I did that once many moons ago with a Fiat Spyder.
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I used to work on furin cars back in the late '70's and one guy came from a Fiat dealership(we called him Tony too when he would Fix It Again). One day they lifted a Fiat on the hoist and it broke in half. I guess Fiat's didn't like the WI road salt like my jeep frame

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