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Old 03-23-2019, 03:09 PM
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I came across a good deal in a set of red full doors for a YJ, with working windows too lol. The only issue is that the seller doesn't have the keys to them. Can the sipher-lock be changed out? Or is that a really big stink to do? It's kind of a deal-breaker if I can't lock the doors 😞

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They are replaceable but you will have different keys for doors and ignition, or......
have a lock smith make you a new key for the old lock.

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They are replaceable but you will have different keys for doors and ignition, or......
have a lock smith make you a new key for the old lock.
I don't mind having different keys that's ok to me. But a locksmith can make a key that will fit that current sipher? I don't have to replace the cipher and get that specific key that comes the new one?
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The locks can be rekeyed. I bought my full hard doors from the dealer for $600 each brand new in the box when they were clearing out the YJ parts. It did not come with lock cylinders so i had to buy new ones and have them keyed to work with my key.

94-95 doors has a different lock cylinder than 1987-1993 doors because the keys are completely different. The hole is bigger in the 1994-1995 doors to accommodate the larger lock cylinder.
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The locksmith probably won't want to take the lock cylinders out of the doors. If you take the lock cylinders to the locksmith and your ignition key, he can key the old locks to the ignition key.

You don't state what year your Jeep is nor what year the doors are.
CJ and YJ full doors to 1990 use the old GM style square key. 1991 and newer full doors use the double cut Chrysler key.
The older and newer door locks aren't interchangeable. If you have a newer YJ and older doors OR older YJ and newer doors (like I do) you'll end up with a different ignition key than the door keys.

There's a work around to have the door keys match the ignition key.
Let us know the years of the Jeep and the full doors if you need the work around.

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You state that you don't mind having different keys for the doors and the ignition.
You can buy a pre-keyed lock set for whatever year the doors from Quadratec or other online jeep parts websites.


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The locksmith probably won't want to take the lock cylinders out of the doors. If you take the lock cylinders to the locksmith and your ignition key, he can key the old locks to the ignition key.

You don't state what year your Jeep is nor what year the doors are.
CJ and YJ full doors to 1990 use the old GM style square key. 1991 and newer full doors use the double cut Chrysler key.
The older and newer door locks aren't interchangeable. If you have a newer YJ and older doors OR older YJ and newer doors (like I do) you'll end up with a different ignition key than the door keys.

There's a work around to have the door keys match the ignition key.
Let us know the years of the Jeep and the full doors if you need the work around.

Good Luck, L.M.



my bad, i thought 94-95 got the double cut key i guess it was 1991+
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The locksmith probably won't want to take the lock cylinders out of the doors. If you take the lock cylinders to the locksmith and your ignition key, he can key the old locks to the ignition key.

You don't state what year your Jeep is nor what year the doors are.
CJ and YJ full doors to 1990 use the old GM style square key. 1991 and newer full doors use the double cut Chrysler key.
The older and newer door locks aren't interchangeable. If you have a newer YJ and older doors OR older YJ and newer doors (like I do) you'll end up with a different ignition key than the door keys.

There's a work around to have the door keys match the ignition key.
Let us know the years of the Jeep and the full doors if you need the work around.

Good Luck, L.M.
The doors for sale are from a 1990, so I guess I'll have 2 different keys regardless correct?

How much do you think it will be to get a key made for the current locks on the doors? Or should I just buy new cylinders/siphers?

Really appreciate the advice guys I'm hesitant about them because of this issue, don't wanna get stuck with doors if I can't lock them they are useless to me without that lol.
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Sorry Man, but I have to ask. Your Avatar has you running topless, Do you have a hardtop? FWIW, a lot of guys running soft tops don't bother with the locks because the windows are so expensive to replace, a good locking console would run you about the same as a locksmith. I don't have a soft or hard top, but I like the full doors for the wind protection when I'm running down the freeway, a good set of full doors at a decent price are hard to come by.
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The doors for sale are from a 1990, so I guess I'll have 2 different keys regardless correct?

How much do you think it will be to get a key made for the current locks on the doors? Or should I just buy new cylinders/siphers?

Really appreciate the advice guys I'm hesitant about them because of this issue, don't wanna get stuck with doors if I can't lock them they are useless to me without that lol.



You jeep look like it has the sport bar so unless you swapped the roll bar out im assuming your jeep is a 1990 or older so you should have single cut keys. If you remove the cylinders you can take them to a locksmith and they will rekey it. you you can buy new lock cylinders they are pretty cheap https://www.ebay.com/itm/8122874K3-S...wAAOSwsc1bI4K4
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Sorry Man, but I have to ask. Your Avatar has you running topless, Do you have a hardtop? FWIW, a lot of guys running soft tops don't bother with the locks because the windows are so expensive to replace, a good locking console would run you about the same as a locksmith. I don't have a soft or hard top, but I like the full doors for the wind protection when I'm running down the freeway, a good set of full doors at a decent price are hard to come by.
I have both soft and hard top but with my hardtop I have the half-doors with fiberglass uppers with glass sliding windows, I hate them lol.
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The doors for sale are from a 1990, so I guess I'll have 2 different keys regardless correct?

How much do you think it will be to get a key made for the current locks on the doors? Or should I just buy new cylinders/siphers?

Really appreciate the advice guys I'm hesitant about them because of this issue, don't wanna get stuck with doors if I can't lock them they are useless to me without that lol.



You jeep look like it has the sport bar so unless you swapped the roll bar out im assuming your jeep is a 1990 or older so you should have single cut keys. If you remove the cylinders you can take them to a locksmith and they will rekey it. you you can buy new lock cylinders they are pretty cheap https://www.ebay.com/itm/8122874K3-S...wAAOSwsc1bI4K4
That's a negative I have '91. I've been a member since 2012 you'd think I'd learn to make a signature by now lol.
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Just buy a set of lock cylinders w keys....
Better than using 30 yr old worn locks...

They are CHEAP and not a big deal to change
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Just buy a set of lock cylinders w keys....
Better than using 30 yr old worn locks...

They are CHEAP and not a big deal to change
Ok good that's great news to hear that it will be an easy swap. Thanks everyone. Going tomorrow to pick up the doors, I'm really excited, I always wanted full-doors ever since I bought the Jeep in 2003! And I can't believe they are red, with black inner-trim, no rust, and the windows work. (Might be an off-red but no worries lol)

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There's a work around to have the door keys match the ignition key.
Let us know the years of the Jeep and the full doors if you need the work around.

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Please tell about the "work around". Thanks
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The workaround is to replace your 1991 ignition key cylinder with a 1987-1990 ignition key cylinder.
I don't know if you can buy all three cylinders to match or if you have to have the door locks keyed to the ignition cylinder (or the ignition cylinder keyed to the door locks.

Got it at last has a link to some Factory service Manuals in his signature, or you can search Google or search UTUBE for how to change the ignition lock cylinder.

MAKE SURE to confirm with other posters here that the early and late lock cylinders will swap out. The parts catalogs won't tell you if they'll swap because the keys are different, but as far as I know, the complete assemblies will swap out.

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Didn't the 87-90 jeeps use two different keys from the factory? Square ign and round door like the gm's of the day?
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Didn't the 87-90 jeeps use two different keys from the factory? Square ign and round door like the gm's of the day?
Yes sir...the tailgate matches the doors...there is also a 3rd round key that came OEM for the console...still have both factory 3 key sets..

OP there a few different work around for a single cut keys..you can even punch pins out of the lock to make a key fit...IIRC there are 6 pins...I just punched a couple out moved a few around and rekeyed my old locks to fit my half door key. The thing to remember is the cylinder on the pre 90 locks is just a little bigger than the post 91 so a file or some filler may be required depending on which way you go.
Bottom line if I was in the market for full doors locks would be the last thing I would be looking at. .
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Didn't the 87-90 jeeps use two different keys from the factory? Square ign and round door like the gm's of the day?
Yes sir...the tailgate matches the doors...there is also a 3rd round key that came OEM for the console...still have both factory 3 key sets..

OP there a few different work around for a single cut keys..you can even punch pins out of the lock to make a key fit...IIRC there are 6 pins...I just punched a couple out moved a few around and rekeyed my old locks to fit my half door key. The thing to remember is the cylinder on the pre 90 locks is just a little bigger than the post 91 so a file or some filler may be required depending on which way you go.
Bottom line if I was in the market for full doors locks would be the last thing I would be looking at. .
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Thank you Sir, great info. I was just mainly concerned because I didn't want to completely rip apart the doors and mess with their guts and if it was going to be a major headache to change the locks (or even if it was possible). I gotta be able to lock my doors my 1995 CD player is in there LOL.
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Well you do have to go inside the door to change cylinders but it's not terribly difficult....
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Well you do have to go inside the door to change cylinders but it's not terribly difficult....
Agreed but it's far from rocket surgery. 2 torx screws for the pull handle, allen for the window crank, pop of the door card, 5 Phillips screws to latch panel, slide the keeper out of the lock, disconnect lock rod. If the OP is going to get full doors he might as well get used to opening them up...those 30 year old plastic clips on the rod locks are going to crumble any minute. I think after this winter all mine in both doors are officially replaced...lol
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Agreed but it's far from rocket surgery. 2 torx screws for the pull handle, allen for the window crank, pop of the door card, 5 Phillips screws to latch panel, slide the keeper out of the lock, disconnect lock rod. If the OP is going to get full doors he might as well get used to opening them up...those 30 year old plastic clips on the rod locks are going to crumble any minute. I think after this winter all mine in both doors are officially replaced...lol
It's all good I'm down for some rocket-surgery too lol I just wasn't sure if I had to mess with all the linkages and if there were cables that were swagged on there I know sometimes doors can get real complicated and everything is super-tight. Never opened up a full-door before so it'll be an adventure lol.
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No cables..just rods...its actually pretty simple...the plastic ends for the rods suck...
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You jeep look like it has the sport bar so unless you swapped the roll bar out im assuming your jeep is a 1990 or older so you should have single cut keys. If you remove the cylinders you can take them to a locksmith and they will rekey it. you you can buy new lock cylinders they are pretty cheap https://www.ebay.com/itm/8122874K3-S...wAAOSwsc1bI4K4
1991 and earlier YJ's had the same bar as the later CJs, with a straight angle bar in the back. 1992 was the first with the extended upper horizontal bar with a turn down. This was the acommodate the shoulder harnesses for the rear seat passengers that were not present in earlier years.

This is the reason you can purchase a frameless top for the '92-'95 but not for the earlier years.

Also the Jeeps used the GM square key with the AMC logo on them until at least '93. I had a '91 and a '93 both purchased new with that key. They also had the two key system in which any lock on the glove box was a different key than the ignition/door key.
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That's right the second round key I have is for the glove box..I replaced mine with a tuffy so long ago. I dont why I thought it was for the console. Maybe because I haven't locked anything on it since 91ish...lol
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1991 and earlier YJ's had the same bar as the later CJs, with a straight angle bar in the back. 1992 was the first with the extended upper horizontal bar with a turn down. This was the acommodate the shoulder harnesses for the rear seat passengers that were not present in earlier years.

This is the reason you can purchase a frameless top for the '92-'95 but not for the earlier years.

Also the Jeeps used the GM square key with the AMC logo on them until at least '93. I had a '91 and a '93 both purchased new with that key. They also had the two key system in which any lock on the glove box was a different key than the ignition/door key.



There used to be a company that sold a frame less top for sport bar jeeps years ago i think the name of the company was California Tops but i dont think they are around anymore.



I had a 89 MJ and XJ that had AMC keys. But i dont think my 92 XJ had one i almost swear it was a double cut Mopar key but my memory might be off. The only YJ's i have owned were 94's

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