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Old 06-28-2012, 03:26 AM
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Hid's ?

I love the way they look but I just don't know a whole a lot about them Iv heard I might need to buy a special kit or what not.. And only thing that came in when I searched the site was some one was wanting to put HIDs in his YJ but had to do a round headlight swap.. I don't wanna do that but I was wondering if anyone has any good links or recommendations?

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That's a really good question, I've recently decided to look into finding some better headlights for my '94 YJ. I'm going to do some searching & see what options there are this afternoon after work.

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I have hid's in my yj. It is a plug and play kit. They are on eBay for $75-$100 you get the hid kit that includes new housings, bulbs, and wire harness. Takes about an hour or so to install. Make sure to not get the black housing if you want good light output. I have the black housings and have to run my fogs as headlights because mine became more fore looks than anything. If you search 7x6 hid on eBay you will find some. Hope this helps!
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I have hid's in my yj. It is a plug and play kit. They are on eBay for $75-$100 you get the hid kit that includes new housings, bulbs, and wire harness. Takes about an hour or so to install. Make sure to not get the black housing if you want good light output. I have the black housings and have to run my fogs as headlights because mine became more fore looks than anything. If you search 7x6 hid on eBay you will find some. Hope this helps!
Which is also INCREDIBLY illegal. Headlight laws specifically prevent you from using ANY from of headlight outside of factory specifications for a very precise reason. An improperly done HID retrofit is not only obnoxious, blinding oncoming traffic, DANGEROUS, but it's also illegal. A lot of state police have been cracking down on badly done HID "retrofits" because it's just stupid and dangerous on the owners part. Someone I know has quite an expensive ticket from his poorly done retrofit (no high/low beam bulb, just a regular bulb slapped into the housing, high and low beams on all the time) and you can imagine he's wishing he hadn't bought into the ricer craze and just left his OEM headlights in there. Keep in mind HID bulbs are not dual filament like hi/low Halogen bulbs are, there is a mechanism that actually has to physically move the bulb to change the optics- that mechanism usually winds up failing, not to mention when it changes the optics of the bulb it creates a completely different beam pattern with a crappy output.

A PROPER HID retrofit will cost you around $400 from The Retrofit Source, and even then if your state has inspections they will fail it. A proper retrofit utilizes a projector setup, rather than a badly done reflector setup, which provides a very solid cutoff off light, produces an evenly lit "playing field" (rather than hot spots), and won't blind oncoming traffic.

Another thing is if you buy a road legal sealed beam conversion kit (I.E. Hella E-Codes) it allows you to utilize a better halogen bulb than what even a good sealed beam light uses, not to mention the reflector is designed to send all of the light out in front rather than losing some of it off to the side (which is what generally happens with a fluted lens). The cutoff with them is pretty nice and sharp too which lets you aim them easier. Don't cheap out on a sealed beam conversion either (like what you can buy on eBay), you'll regret it. Wire them up with a relay setup so they're getting the full light output, and if you find yourself needing more light with your high beams then you can always get a pair of 55-100w driving lights (KC Apollo 6" lights are perfect) to hook up into the high beams for some awesome light output- all 50 states allow up to 4 driving/fog lights to be utilized so it's perfectly legal.
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Good info Xpress.... Most HID conversions, especially the cheap ebay kits, are illegal for a good reason. Do OE style sealed beam conversion, halogen lights, and the relay mod, this will improve things 100x's over stock.
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i had hids and loved them. illegal, yes but you can always put the old lights back in.
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i had hids and loved them. illegal, yes but you can always put the old lights back in.

Buying a kit and paying a fine just to go back to what I have now? No thanks.
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Good info Xpress, did not know that about HID's, & I completely agree SparkPlugg. I'm just going to see what legal upgrades the auto parts stores/Quadratec offers.
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Good info Xpress, did not know that about HID's, & I completely agree SparkPlugg. I'm just going to see what legal upgrades the auto parts stores/Quadratec offers.
Also look into the relay upgrade... Its cheap, easy, and very effective!
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Good info Xpress, did not know that about HID's, & I completely agree SparkPlugg. I'm just going to see what legal upgrades the auto parts stores/Quadratec offers.
The best upgrade you can do is a road legal sealed beam conversion. Generally state inspectors will look for a DOT number, and immediately fail the vehicle if no such numbers are stamped onto the headlight.

So there's a couple of things:

-Sealed beam conversion
-Relay into high and low beams
-Driving lights wired to come on with high beams
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I definitely can see where installing relays would help. I'll probably end up installing those & the sealed beams on mine.
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Aside from being illegal and blinding other drivers, it looks corny as hell on an older vehicle. If you do go HID, go all out get some TV screens installed all over your jeep too, my preference would be in the wheels....
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Aside from being illegal and blinding other drivers, it looks corny as hell on an older vehicle. If you do go HID, go all out get some TV screens installed all over your jeep too, my preference would be in the wheels....
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Here is the projector retrofit kit that I previously mentioned:

Bi-xenon FX-R Stage III Kit - Complete Retrofit Kits from The Retrofit Source Inc

You will need the E55-R shrouds. It's a kit so there is some building to do, and aiming can be a big hassle, but once you get it down the light output will be incredible, even on low beams. Total comes out to about $380 with all of the necessary components, but it's a worthwhile upgrade if you can afford it. The beam outpit will literally slice right on through any poorly done retrofit with surgical precision.

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I went with H4s. Much better than stock, won't blind people, and I can actually SEE. If I had to get an inspection, they might object to the fact that I used E-codes, but the pattern doesn't hurt anything. Thankfully, there are no inspections to worry about.
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Thanks everyone I honesty had no idea they were illegal... Iv just seen them on a couple black trucks and thought they looked amazing.. But I'm not in for a ticket. I'll have to check in to the other options then. Learned a lot I'll be sure to post what I get!
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Iv just seen them on a couple black trucks and thought they looked amazing..
Wait until you live in East County, and drive at night. You'll be more than willing to pull out your CCW and gladly shoot them out of the truck, people are idiots around here. They might look cool during the daytime, but at night time they're just dangerous.

I immediately consider anyone who pops in a PNP kit into their OEM housings to have an IQ less than that of my shoe.
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FWIW i did an hid retrofit for Less than 100 bucks with some junkyard scrounging of housings and a cheapo chinese hid bulb/ballast.

I agree with everything that has been said. Its not just the fact that the HIDS are basically concentrated Sun beams its that the light focus is usually more towards the center of the bulb. Halogen bulbs light focus is near the back. So when you stick the hid in the halogen housing the light reflects all stupid and shoots hotspots up to the sky and out to the edges and pretty much misses the nice center beam.

This is why the crap plug n play kits light up street signs and highway overpass signs like they are neon. And yes i want to run them all over.
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you can order an HID kit from DDM who is a legit dealer in HID kits for about 140 dollars. i order them for friends all the time. they come with pretty much everything you need the HID conversion kit for the lights and the ballest all are included in the kit. you can NEVER go wrong with DDM manufaturer
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the only thing that makes them illegal is the color of the bulb...which is rated by the K's they put out. generally 8,000 and 10,000 is what you would generally use to stay in the legal limit. but im from louisiana so that law isnt really as strically enforced as it is in other states.
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the only thing that makes them illegal is the color of the bulb...which is rated by the K's they put out. generally 8,000 and 10,000 is what you would generally use to stay in the legal limit. but im from louisiana so that law isnt really as strically enforced as it is in other states.

8-10K is blue..
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the only thing that makes them illegal is the color of the bulb...which is rated by the K's they put out. generally 8,000 and 10,000 is what you would generally use to stay in the legal limit. but im from louisiana so that law isnt really as strically enforced as it is in other states.
This is wrong... The color temp has very little to do with the legallity of them though it does effect output and actual color (8-10k is blue and is ALWAYS illegal). What makes them illegal is the scatter of the beam when not in the proper projector housing. This can momentarily blind oncoming traffic as well as those infront of you by way of their mirrors. It is a hazard to OTHER drivers and installing them is irresponsible and leaves you open for a lawsuit if they cause an accident. Being considerate of other drivers and the lives of innocent bystanders means staying away from improper HID set ups. This rules out most cheap options and plug and play units. You can do it properly, but they still are technically illegal in most states and are marked "offroad use only".
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FWIW i did an hid retrofit for Less than 100 bucks with some junkyard scrounging of housings and a cheapo chinese hid bulb/ballast.

I agree with everything that has been said. Its not just the fact that the HIDS are basically concentrated Sun beams its that the light focus is usually more towards the center of the bulb. Halogen bulbs light focus is near the back. So when you stick the hid in the halogen housing the light reflects all stupid and shoots hotspots up to the sky and out to the edges and pretty much misses the nice center beam.

This is why the crap plug n play kits light up street signs and highway overpass signs like they are neon. And yes i want to run them all over.
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you can order an HID kit from DDM who is a legit dealer in HID kits for about 140 dollars. i order them for friends all the time. they come with pretty much everything you need the HID conversion kit for the lights and the ballest all are included in the kit. you can NEVER go wrong with DDM manufaturer
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the only thing that makes them illegal is the color of the bulb...which is rated by the K's they put out. generally 8,000 and 10,000 is what you would generally use to stay in the legal limit. but im from louisiana so that law isnt really as strically enforced as it is in other states.
Everything that has been highlighted is false or incorrect information.

Firstly, it is not the shape of the bulb, but rather the length of the bulb. HID bulbs create beam patterns that are not true to the OEM light output because they create light farther out from the reflector than the OEM bulb does. Newer vehicles are designed with longer bulbs in mind, so HID bulbs can work as good as the OEM bulb, but not perfectly. HID bulbs also produce more intense light than a Halogen bulb does, which is also why you get a blinding light output.

Auto manufacturers design their lenses/reflectors VERY precisely to focus light in certain areas of the road. A small portion of the lens or reflector is designed to aim light at road signs off to the side of the road and up at road signs overhead. It's not dangerous amounts with OEM bulbs, but when you slap in a brighter bulb, not only does the light output with these hot spots get more intense and notable, but the shape and specific aiming also changes.

An HID kit from DDM Tuning will run you about $30 for a 35w kit, not $140. They are still not legal to put into your OEM housings, however nothing prevents you from retrofitting a 55w HID kit into your Daylighters for some insane light output I use all DDM Tuning HID kits, partially because they are a local dealer, but also because I have had good success with their inexpensive HID kits. Good quality kits as well.

And finally, as has been stated, 10,000K (Kelvin, basically the color of the light) is BLUE. Blue lights are 100% illegal for road use as either running or headlights. Don't even think about getting them in that color.

Here is a Kelvin color chart:



Auto manufacturers that include HID bulbs with their cars tend to use a 4300K color, as it is a warm white light color that will not hurt your eyes. Colors like orange, yellow, and blue will begin to hurt your eyes after prolonged use, not to mention anything that is not between 3000k-6500k produces less and less actual luminous light output.
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I have Sylvania Silver Star lights and they are perfect. They are very bright, need no wiring upgrades, and do exactly what they are supposed to. Wagner makes some for NAPA, I think they are called Xtra vision and are just like the Silver Stars.
I can't remember what mine cost, but I do believe they were under 40 bucks. I use these on 3 of my jeeps and am very happy with them.

The best part is I am not blinding people like some of the idiots around here that think they need the brightest and most annoying lights they can stuff in the grill.
Those blinding colored and super bright lights are one of the things that really piss me off. The police are stopping people (finally) around here for them too. Some of the dummies pay the fine and keep them in to get more tickets I am told by my Trooper friends
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Everything that has been highlighted is false or incorrect information.

Firstly, it is not the shape of the bulb, but rather the length of the bulb. HID bulbs create beam patterns that are not true to the OEM light output because they create light farther out from the reflector than the OEM bulb does. Newer vehicles are designed with longer bulbs in mind, so HID bulbs can work as good as the OEM bulb, but not perfectly. HID bulbs also produce more intense light than a Halogen bulb does, which is also why you get a blinding light output.

Umm.. No what I said is correct, and then you said it again.

Hids focus of light is further from the base of the bulb than a halogen.

Hid bulbs also do not project light the same as a halogen. Hid light comes off as an arc, This is because the light arcs across the two electrodes and moves slightly upward. a traditional halogen is the filament glowing causing a cylindrical glow, with the area directly surrounding it dark. And just like I said a housing designed for a halogen will have the reflections and the depth all wrong for a hid bulb.

I'm guessing you misquoted, but you made it bold so not too sure. Guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
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personally if i could, i would order Vision X LED bars and run them instead of HID's they are so much brighter and look better too.
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Umm.. No what I said is correct, and then you said it again.

Hids focus of light is further from the base of the bulb than a halogen.

Hid bulbs also do not project light the same as a halogen. Hid light comes off as an arc, This is because the light arcs across the two electrodes and moves slightly upward. a traditional halogen is the filament glowing causing a cylindrical glow, with the area directly surrounding it dark. And just like I said a housing designed for a halogen will have the reflections and the depth all wrong for a hid bulb.

I'm guessing you misquoted, but you made it bold so not too sure. Guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Your wording is confusing which is probably why I quoted it. It has already been proven that the way the bulbs emit the light is irrelevant, light is light once it reaches the reflector. The reason why HID bulbs change the light optics is because of the design of the HID bulbs, they're much longer than traditional Halogen bulbs, and therefore produce light farther out from the reflector. Take a Maglite flashlight and twist the cap to see what I mean, same principle

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